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Thank you. A brief recap of our top story - the Federal Government says Trading Scheme will mean a
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It just feels like there's a man shortage.

Tonight on the 7:30 Report - Australia's fertility crisis.

We are desperately short of sperm.

Driving women to drastic action.

I am 182cm tall. But are there hidden risks. Would you want to really jeopardise your life and the
health and life of your potential children?

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Govt releases green paper on climate change

ALI MOORE, PRESENTER: Well it's hardly a surprise but the Government's green paper tells us an
emissions trading scheme will be costly.

It will be inflationary and could push the price of electricity up by as much as 16 per cent.

But to ease the pain, the Government has promised compensation for pensioners, motorists and low
income households; and assistance for high emitting businesses.

The Greens aren't happy, and neither is the Opposition. But the broad outlines of the Governments
design to reduce carbon pollution has been welcomed by the business community.

Shortly we'll hear from the Prime Minister. But first this report from political editor Michael
Brissenden.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN, REPORTER: The Governments green paper into what is now called the Carbon
Pollution Reduction Scheme is seen as the first step in the most radical change in the nature of
our economy in a generation.

With that sort of billing it was always going to generate a lot of interest.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: One after the other this afternoon the so called stakeholders lined up to pass
judgement.

A Green paper is usually designed to set the parameters for further public consultation and
discussion. But this one's done plenty more than that.

Without setting any specific medium term targets for greenhouse gas reduction it has set the broad
parameters for an ambitious emissions trading scheme.

PENNY WONG, CLIMATE CHANGE & WATER MINISTER: The effect of putting a price on carbon will be
profound.

Indeed in its ability to change the economy over time, the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme is
likely to be on par with past economic reforms such as the reduction in tariffs, or deregulation of
the financial system.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: The Government concedes that such a change will come at some cost. A carbon
price at $20 a tonne for instance will cause a one off inflationary spike of just under one per
cent.

And electricity prices could rise by as much as 16 per cent.

To offset this the Government has pledged to compensate low income households for any increase in
the cost of living through the tax and payments system. And increase payments to pensioners, carers
and seniors.

PENNY WONG: Tackling climate change will be hard, and there will be costs. But we will hep
Australians every step of the way.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: As yet unspecified assistance will also be provided for middle income
households.

BRENDAN NELSON, OPPOSITION LEADER: Well the Government has confirmed today that it has a new tax
coming on petrol groceries and electricity in the form of the emissions trading scheme.

Mr Rudd seems to want us to take him on trust. He hasn't yet dealt with cost of living pressures
with petrol, and groceries, and skyrocketing rents that is happening now.

And now he wants us to trust him to so something after the next election.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: But some of it could of course even start rolling out before the next election
or even during the campaign, as

targeted hand-outs.

And one of the most significant compensatory measures will be petrol. The Government says fuel
taxes will be cut on a cent for cent basis to offset any rise in petrol prices caused by the
emissions trading scheme.

As Ross Garnaut observed last week that's a funny sort of signal to send, especially given the
probable continuing rise in the global oil price.

But then this green paper hasn't been formulated in a political vacuum. Professor Garnaut was also
opposed to the idea of handing out free permits to power generators, but that's going to happen
too.

Under the proposed emissions trading system the Government will put a cap on the total amount of
carbon pollution it allows. Polluting industries will require permits to produce greenhouse gases.

The price of those permits will be set by the market but 20 per cent of them will be given out free
to so-called emissions intensive trade exposed industries.

And the biggest polluters, the coal industry, will be given direct assistance in the form of free
permits or possibly cash handouts.

OWEN PASCOE, AUSTRALIAN CONSERVATION FOUNDATION: Sure there's some good things here and I'm glad
that we are making progress towards cutting our carbon emissions.

But there's some disappointments. I'm really disappointed with the focus on compensating polluting
industries rather than climate change solutions.

CHRISTINE MILNE, GREENS SENATOR: The Rudd Government said that their introducing a Carbon Pollution
Reduction Scheme, but we still have idea what the reduction target is except a very weak 2050
target.

And what's more by introducing a price signal and then neutralising the price signal with every
form of compensation possible, what they've done is move from the polluter pays principle to the
polluter gets paid principle.

The Rudd Government is playing politics just like the Howard government. This is something John
Howard would be really proud of.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: But the Government says Australian Business needs time to adapt and the
incentives will help prevent emissions intensive industries simply moving offshore to continue
polluting; a process known as carbon leakage.

And on the whole the business community seems pretty happy with what's been offered.

HEATHER RIDOUT, AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRY GROUP: Look it's a very big paper, and there's a lot of detail
and undoubtedly a lot of devil in that detail.

But the Government has ticked all the right boxes that we've been concerned with; cost abatement
commitment, the global issues in terms of trying to get the linkages.

And putting the trajectory aside from that, the energy intensive trade exposed industry, we've been
very concerned about that, and certainly there's a lot of work there.

To put another charge on industry which is not incurred by their trading competitors would be very
retrograde.

GREG EVANS, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE & INDUSTRY: We still await the Treasury modelling which
disappointingly won't be available to business until, as we understand, until October.

Critical aspects of that, of that Treasury modelling will indeed be in the economy wide implication
of an emissions trading scheme; and also the particular compliance costs that will be faced by
Australian businesses with the scheme.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: In the end any emission trading scheme, whatever it's called, is all about
timing.

Today's green paper doesn't tell us how fast or how far we have to go, presumably that detail will
be delivered in the white paper at the end of the year.

But to reduce carbon emissions we will have to use less fuel and burn less coal, or at least burn
it more cleanly. The challenge for the Government is to get there without damaging the economy or
scaring the voters.

ALI MOORE: Michael Brissenden with that report.

Ali Moore interviews Kevin Rudd

ALI MOORE, PRESENTER: Late today I spoke with the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, in our Sydney studio.

Prime Minister, the Government has committed to helping households overcome the cost of an
emissions trading scheme.

Is that a guarantee, low income households won't be worse off?

KEVIN RUDD, PRIME MINISTER: What we've said very plainly is when it comes to pensioners and carers,
and those on forms of social security support in that category we would provide beyond the normal
adjustments to those pension payments.

Additional support to meet any costs a rising from the introduction of this carbon pollution
reduction scheme.

ALI MOORE: Is that a no worse off?

KEVIN RUDD: Similarly, similarly for, for low income households as well. And beyond that we've also
indicate add preparedness to support households in general to obtain assistance for energy
efficiency measures within those households to bring down their energy cost over time.

We think these are practical steps going forward. I tell you what I can guarantee is that if you
don't act on greenhouse gases now, if you don't act on climate change, the cost for every household
will in time go through the roof.

ALI MOORE: But can you guarantee for low income households that they won't be worse off?

KEVIN RUDD: As I said, it is explicitly stated in the green paper, and you've read it I assume
today, that we've committed in this green paper to meeting through additional payments, through the
tax and payments system, any additional costs which come to households as a consequence of
introduction of this scheme.

Of course you're always going to have other things that affect standards of living and costs for
families, but our commitment visa vis low income households, pensioners, and carers is clear cut
and stated in the green paper.

ALI MOORE: What's the cut-off, what's the income threshold for a low income household in this
context?

KEVIN RUDD: Well what we've spoken about is where family tax benefit A starts to reach its base
rate, which is around the $53,000 to $55,000 a year per household.

And of course below that we have people who are on pensioners, on pensions, carers, and...

ALI MOORE: So that's $53,000 and below?

KEVIN RUDD: Yeah, for households. And then beyond that we also have a further commitment for middle
income households to provide some assistance to assist them as well.

And more generically for households we will be examining, when we get to the white paper stage,
other ways of assisting households adjust with investment in new ways of improving energy
efficiency at home.

Because that is not just good for the environment, and for the overall economy, it's good for the
cost of the household as well.

ALI MOORE: When it comes to some assistance for middle income earners, can you give any guide as to
what proportion the one per cent or

point nice of one per cent increase in inflation the green paper is forecasting based on a $20 a
tonne carbon price.

What percentage of that middle income earners will have to bear?

KEVIN RUDD: We'll work that trough during the course of white paper consultation process. What we
need to make sure is those who are least able and least flexible when it comes to responding to a
highest cost for carbon.

Let's go back to the underlying facts here. My job as Prime Minister is to face the scientific and
economic facts and to get the balance right for Australia for the long term. That does mean a hire
cost for carbon.

The question is there, therefore, how do you provide assistance to those households least able to
adapt and adjust in the here and now; and business least able to adjust in the here and now, to
transition through that.

ALI MOORE: So when do we get details of the compensation scheme, when do we know when it starts,
and indeed whether it's up-front so you get the compensation before you pay the higher electricity
bill?

KEVIN RUDD: In the green paper as you would understand we've outlined our principles. And
principles, designed principle force the overall carbon pollution reduction scheme.

It's about emissions trading, support for households, and support for businesses. When the white
paper comes through, including exposure draft legislation, it is through that that you will have
the full detail in terms of where we will go on the support arrangements, both for households an
for business.

ALI MOORE: The other area of compensation of course is petrol. Your climate adviser Professor
Garnaut was very clear that compensating people would lead to a funny signal. Does it really send
the right message?

KEVIN RUDD: Well when you're looking at our Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme we're covering 75 per
cent of the economy.

That includes the transport sector, it includes therefore petrol. But we're very mindful of the
fact that households right now are under financial pressure.

Therefore, our response to that is to provide this adjustment support and we've indicated we would
do so for the three year period, cent for cent for any consequential increase in the price of
petrol. We would take off associated petrol taxes, and then we would review at the three year
point.

I think that is a responsible course of action now in order to transition this system to a lower
carbon economy, which is what we need for the economy longer term, what households need for the
economy longer term, as well as looking after our kids.

ALI MOORE: So what are the benchmarks for that review?

KEVIN RUDD: In terms of?

ALI MOORE: Petrol. Whether or not you continue to cut cent for cent?

KEVIN RUDD: Well let's look at that point for example at what the overall impact on the households
budget are; where will the global oil

price stand at that stage, etc.

These are the sorts of criteria which we be deployed at that time. But we think it's fair and
reasonable thing to help households who are under real financial pressure now to adjust through.

You remember the overall integrity of this scheme is achieved by having such breadth of coverage
across the economy, 75 per cent of the economy. We think this is the right way to go for Australia
for the long term.

ALI MOORE: As Brendan Nelson argues you're asking Australians to take you on trust aren't you.

They're getting a carbon trading scheme, whether or not they will continue to be compensated for
the higher cost of petrol for three years, don't know. The actual format of a compensation for
households at this stage, don't know. When it will start, don't know.

There's a lot there, isn't it, that you're asking them people to trust you.

KEVIN RUDD: Well in the first six months of this Government's life, and it's now seven months,
we've done more than our predecessors in 12 long years.

That sat there as climate change sceptics, and then on the eve of the election they said they would
introduction an emissions trading scheme.

And now that we're across the election hump, and we're now the Government, they say they're now
opposed to one.

Well I really don't know where Dr Nelson stands other than he seems to be engaged in irresponsible
short-term politics.

For us, it's laying out, as we said more or less after we came to office, through the Climate
Change Minister Penny Wong, building block number one is putting out the green paper to outline the
design features of an emissions trading scheme as part of a carbon pollution reduction scheme, and
our support payments for households and business.

Building block two will be when we produce the finality of that with legislation at the end of this
period. It is a sequential way through and it's one part of our overall strategy to bring down
carbon emissions as well as a new strategy for energy efficiency which we will be putting out in
due course.

A new strategy for on the supply side dealing with clean coal technology. A further supply side
strategy with renewable energies. All part of doing our bit for the planet, but getting a decent
outcome for Australia.

ALI MOORE: The green paper also includes limited compensation for the big polluters, the
electricity generators, so they don't become riskier investment prospect. How limited will that
compensation be?

KEVIN RUDD: Will get to that as we consult with each of the electricity generators, there's a
number of them around the country.

And a number of them, depending on the age of the generator and the plant, the nature of its
technology, each of their particular circumstances are different.

There is no blank cheque being offered to electricity generators, but we are mindful of the fact,
mindful of the fact that their environment, their investment environment changes the consequence of
the introduction of a carbon pollution reduction scheme.

So we believe that adjustment supports are necessary, but the quantum will be determined after
we've had a very hard-nosed, individual negotiation with each of those generators. And we intend to
be very tough.

ALI MOORE: The other side of the argument of course is the one the Greens make, and they say that
while the whole point of a trading system is to send price signals, they argue you've rushed to
compensate, you've rushed to neutralise.

KEVIN RUDD: Well, you know something, we're going to get attacked from the left, and that's what
the Greens are doing. We're going to get attacked from the right and that's what Dr Nelson is
doing.

My job's to get the balance right for the future. And if getting the balance right means having a
clear sense of our target, our objective, which is to bring Australian carbon emissions down.

And to do so in partnership with the global community through our negotiating posture, and the Bali
road map, the Kyoto road map, to the post Kyoto road map as it mow is; to do all that and provide
adjustment support on the way through. That's the responsible and balanced course of action.

The Greens on the left out there, they may not like what we're going to do and they will say it's
not as pure as the driven snow. Well I'll cop that on the chin. And you will have the climate
change sceptics on the right corner saying that we shouldn't be doing anything.

My job is to face the facts, the economic facts, the science facts, and prosecute a balanced course
of action.

ALI MOORE: This is, as we've been saying repeatedly, a green paper and you're opening it up for
consultation with the business.

How do they consult with you when they have no numbers, no economic parameters, no emission target
parameters, and yet the time of consultation actually closes before they will get those economic
parameters from the modelling that Treasury is due to provide in October?

KEVIN RUDD: Well between now and the end of the year, as you've said, there will be further
modelling produced.

Remember, though, when we said this green paper would come out, its purpose has always been to
provide the design of the system.

How fast the system is then driven in terms of trajectories between now and 2050 with the carbon
target we have long term of 60 per cent reduction by 2050 against 2000 levels, that is to be
determined once we've got modelling.

ALI MOORE: But the modelling comes after the closure period of consultation. that's my question.
How does business give you the consultation when they don't know the modelling?

KEVIN RUDD: Well the first thing they've got is design features and that's critical.

Secondly, what we've indicated also, in the case of the large of that category of firms, some 1,000
across the economy, but as you know that's 1,000 over literally millions of firms out there who are
affected by these changes, they have provided to them through this green paper the design of a
system.

For those which are energy intensive or emissions intensive and trade exposed, we've already
indicated the thresholds of support we are likely to provide in terms of the possible free issue of
permits, now that's there.

But, you know, we've got to take it one step at a time. And can I say there'll be detailed
individual discussions. It's 1,000 businesses out there. We can have reasonable discussions with a
large number of them in the time we've set for ourselves.

But we have to get on with it. We can't keep pushing this off. The last mob did that for 12 years.

ALI MOORE: You say that...

KEVIN RUDD: 12 wasted years.

ALI MOORE: But given the modelling has been in fact delayed, hence we're getting it in October, and
the intention as you say is to start in 2010. Is it possible that will slip?

KEVIN RUDD: What we've said right along is our ambition remains unchanged. We believe it's
technically achievable in terms of the consultation process, the drafting process, and the
legislative process,

That will be very interesting to see where the Liberals stand on in the Senate. Are they going to
play blocking strategy or will they be constructive partners in the nation's long-term
environmental and economic future?

We believe this is deliverable, and as I've said consistently in previous interviews, including on
this program, we're very mindful of the implementation arrangements for these 1,000 businesses
who'll be affected.

They're large businesses, and they will be treated respectfully. But our ambition as I've said
before is 2010.

ALI MOORE: Prime Minister thankyou very much for joining us.

KEVIN RUDD: Thanks for having me on the program.

ambition as I've said before is

Sperm Shortage in Aussie fertility clinics

ALI MOORE, PRESENTER: The number of Australian babies born using fertility treatments has reached
an all time high.

According to the latest figures available there were more than eight thousand such births in 2005.

While infertile couples are the main users of assisted reproductive technology, more and more
single women, whose biological clocks are ticking, are embarking on parenthood alone.

But Australia is experiencing a dramatic shortage of sperm donors. Fertility clinics are now
becoming increasingly reliant on overseas sources.

Some experts believe the shrinking pool of donors may drive women wishing to conceive to turn to
potentially risky arrangements.

Thea Dikeos reports.

SUSAN ANDERSON: It was a surprising decision because I guess I always thought I'd meet a fella
along the way and have the marriage and the two kids, and to finally be at a point in my life where
it hadn't happened came as a bit of a shock.

THEA DIKEOS, REPORTER: Susan Anderson was in her late thirties when she realised that time was
running out to have a child. Despite not having a partner she couldn't picture her life without
children.

SUSAN ANDERSON: It just feels like there's a man shortage, or the fella's that you do meet just
don't seem to want the commitment of children.

THEA DIKEOS: She's one of a growing group of thirty-something women who are single, financially
secure, and embarking on motherhood alone.

JOEL BERNSTEIN, FERTILTY EAST: I think if the current trend continues I think the single woman will
definitely become a very big group and a big user of donor sperm if it's available.

THEA DIKEOS: But the demand for donor sperm is far exceeding supply.

JOEL BERNSTEIN: We are desperately short of sperm, it's a critical issue. And I would like to speak
on behalf of thousands of couples and single women who will not come forward and speak and ask them
to consider this as an option.

THEA DIKEOS: According to Joel Bernstein, the medical director of this Sydney fertility clinic, the
number one factor stopping young men from donating is the lack of anonymity. Donors can be
contacted when the child turns 18.

JOEL BERNSTEIN: It's having a child arrive 18 years down the line and saying, you know, Hi Dad. And
having to deal with those issues.

THEA DIKEOS: The lack of sperm donors has led the clinic to start advertising to recruit more
donors.

JOEL BERNSTEIN: Our unit only has three sperm donors; we've tried everything we can to get new
donors in. It's very costly and very difficult.

THEA DIKEOS: But men can't just show up at the clinic and donate sperm. They're tested for
transmittable diseases and disorders and a comprehensive genetic family history going back two
generations is also taken.

CLNIC STAFF MEMBER: The things that you'd be looking at is their background, medical background,
the characteristics, the hobbies.

THEA DIKEOS: To deal with the shortage of Australian donors this fertility clinic is now importing
from a sperm bank in the United States.

Women can make their donor selection online using information such as ethnic background and
occupation.

They can even hear what the donor thinks about a variety of issues.

WEBSITE VOICE: Donor 1934 on why he admires George W Bush.

DONOR 1934: Yes I admire George W Bush, and a lot of people maybe don't, but I do.

THEA DIKEOS: Typically women pay up to $1,800 for the costs of screening, storing, and transporting
three samples of sperm.

It can cost them that much again or more to then go ahead with fertility treatment.

LESLIE CANNOLD: We have situations where it's very, very expensive for people to access certain
kinds of reproductive technology in one state.

They'll pick up and they'll move somewhere else if they can manage to do that. If they can't pick
up and move to somewhere else, where they can afford it, or where it's legal for them to access it
they may just do it on their own.

It's the sort of procedure that they can do that with. And when you're talking about donor
insemination, they can do it on their own.

THEA DIKEOS: This lesbian couple decided against using a fertility clinic in their quest to
conceive a child.

What was wrong with a clinic?

ANGELINE BARBARICH: One it would have taken a bit longer, two it was the money process through it,
and seemed a bit more personal with John.

HAYLEY KARAITIANA: And with a clinic you don't know who the donor is

ANGELINE BARBARICH: And we wanted to know

JOHN MAYGER: Hi it's john here. You saw my ad on the Lesbians on the loose magazine, yeah. When do
you want me?

THEA DIKEOS: The couple used Sydney bus driver John Mayger, who offers his sperm for free.

JOHN MAYGER (on phone): OK, would you like to meet up beforehand, relax get to know me a bit, have
a look at some family photos so that you know the gene pool of the swimmers you're getting.

THEA DIKEOS: At 59 John Mayger would be rejected by most fertility clinics as a sperm donor because
he's too old.

But that hasn't stopped him from setting up his own personal sperm bank.

JOHN MAYGER (on phone): How have you been testing with your ovulation?

THEA DIKEOS: At last count he says this venture has produced six children.

JOHN MAYGER: It's not just about my ego in creating children it's about my desire to help people.

THEA DIKEOS: John Mayger also provides his own medical documentation.

JOHN MAYGER: I go to a sex health clinic every quarter and get a certificate that I'm not infected
with HIV 1 or 2, syphilis, gonorrhoea, Hep C. But the main thing is I don't have sex, because I'm a
Christian and it's frowned upon to have sex outside marriage so I don't.

HAYLEY KARAITIANA: I contacted him and then we met in a café. He bought his medical certificates
and everything like that, and it went from there eh?

THEA DIKEOS: And were you sort of happy with his medical documentation and those sorts of things?

HAYLEY KARAITIANA: Yeah, no everything was good. We checked all that before we agreed to use him.

THEA DIKEOS: The women liked John Mayger's personality and agreed to go ahead with the process.

HAYLEY KARAITIANA: He came over went into the bathroom did what he had to do, and then we
inseminated, AJ inseminated.

THEA DIKEOS: They now have an eight month old boy and say John Mayger will play the role of an
uncle in their son's life.

But informal arrangements potentially pose problems say infertility consumer advocates.

SANDRA DILL, FERTILITY CONSUMER ADVOCATE: Would you want to really jeopardise your life, and the
life and health of your potential children by not ensuring you have the safest, best quality
disease free sperm available.

And I wouldn't be taking the assurances of any individual who would tell you they've had tests.

LESLIE CANNOLD: If you don't set up formal systems that means anyone working in this informal way
may make an arrangement that everybody will agree to keep and actually go through and keep it.

Or they may make an arrangement that it turns out, you know, is not legally binding and therefore
nobody keeps the arrangement. And the child is the one who could end up getting hurt in all of
that.

THEA DIKEOS: John Mayger tries to keep in touch with all the children he's fathered. But he knows
that his sperm donating activities may present future problems.

JOHN MAYGER: The current legal position is I'm not the father, I have no legal rights, but then
they have no rights to any part of my current income or my estate. But that could be challenged in
the court later on and overturned.

But I prefer to live life to the full and I prefer to help people and worry about the consequences
later.

THEA DIKEOS: But Susan Anderson says she is thinking about the future. She says she's well aware of
the implications of her decision and is prepared for the challenges ahead

SUSAN ANDERSON: The approach that I'm taking with him is a very open approach. Any information that
I've had access to, I'll be sharing with

I'd like him to have the opportunity to meet the donor, but that will be a choice for him. That's
not something I can interfere with. Some people like to go through their life knowing, other people
don't.

ALI MOORE: Thea Dikeos with that report.

people don't.

Before we go, a correction to last night's story on the crash of an Army Black Hawk helicopter off
the deck of HMAS 'Kanimbla' in 2006. Due to a production error, vision from the crash of a Navy sea
king helicopter which claimed nine lives on the Indonesian Island of Nias in 2005 was used out of
context and for that we apologise. That's the program for tonight. We will br back at the same time
tomorrow, but for now goodnight.

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THEME MUSIC Tonight on The New Inventors, a computer that can re-program beer. Why does a hay bale
need a thermometer? And how to make 100 signs out of one sign? Hi, I'm James O'Loghlin. Also
tonight, another brilliant, young inventor, and an invention that can put your garbage out for you.
First, our judges. Tonight, they're interior designer Alison Page, designer and inventor Sally
Dominguez, and woodworker and teacher, Richard Vaughan. Welcome. Now, you may know this - in pubs
and hotels, lots of beers get poured. How many a night? Actually no-one knows exactly. And how much
beer do they spill and waste? No-one knows that either. This invention brings a bit of science and
accountability to the ancient art of beer-pouring.

OK, cool. Yep, all right. Good. Cheers. Every time you go to the pub, there's normally a few of
these on the go. But did you know hefty amounts of amber ale ends up down the drain instead of in
your glass?

Ask anyone behind the bar how they keep check of their beer supplies and they'll say it's
guesswork.

And all their guesswork leads to a lot of wastage of our favourite drop.

So we designed Barilliant to control beer usage in pubs.

A beer, thanks.

No problem.

Before you can pull a beer, you must log on and enter the order. Valves installed at the taps mean
that only the amount needed to fill the order is able to be poured. There's a small margin to
compensate for over-pours. But if you try to pour significantly more than the order, say a freebie,
then the system will shut off the flow. And Barilliant even monitors the temperature and the
pressure of the beer, so when it hits the glass, it's perfect.

Down to the last drop.

Please welcome from Sydney, Bruce Lilley. APPLAUSE G'day, Bruce. Now, Ray couldn't make it today.
But what you've done, as I understand it, is for the first time, link and create communication, if
you like, between the beer tap and a cash register.

Absolutely. A

nd they're both now accountable together.

Yes, if you pour a beer, the information goes to the cash register.

If you try and pour a beer with your system, without doing anything, what do you get?

It'll just stop you.

Just froth.

It'll stop you.

Nothing. So you need to have one of these on.

Right.

And you just identify yourself. Say you're ordering three midis, find the little midi icon.
1...2...3. And then pour one.

Yes.

Let's see if I can pour a good beer.

I think you'll be all right. It's been sitting for a while. So...

Oh... A bit heady, isn't it?

It is a bit. Bit

heady. Shockin'. But that's not your system's fault.

No, it isn't. But that's OK, we can fix that.

And then once you've done that, then you go to the cash register and it will say, once you identify
yourself, hang on, there's an order for three beers. If you've poured only one, it'll say, get
money for one.

It will cancel them off.

And here you've got all your bar people, all the individual ones. How much beer's been ordered, how
much they've over poured, how much they've under poured, so you tell if they're pouring freebies or
wasting it. Ye

s.

Come across to the panel.

Thank you.

Oh, I'll drink it.

Drink it if you like. Ha ha ha!

It's only the start of the show too. But you know...and you say you can use that as incentives to
your staff, who can waste the least beer this month. Absol

utely.

Rather than the sort of big brother thing.

We're not trying to just keep an eye on bar staff. We want to use it as an incentive, to improve
their performance because it helps the pub reduce the wastage. That's what we're trying to do.

Installed in a pub from between 15 and 45 grand. But you reckon it easily saves that amount of
beer.

For the amount of beer they're pouring, the savings we expect them to make, we're trying to aim for
a one-year payback.

Payback in one year? I was going to say great, but it's froth. Alison?

Hi, Bruce, when I first saw this, I thought it was one of those automatic pourers that you see at
the sporting venues and stuff. But this is not a computer-poured beer, which I think is really,
really important because unlike the beer that you pulled, some punters...

It's looking all right now.

Yeah, exactly. But some punters will insist on the two pull.