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The expert panel appointed by the Prime Minister to hand down

recommendations on asylum - will hand down its

seeker policy later today. But it's unlikely that the it's unlikely that the findings

of former Defence chief Angus

Houston and his colleagues will do anything to break the

political deadlock between the

Government and Coalition. With

us from

us from Canberra is Greens

Senator Sarah Hanson Young. Thanks for your time this morning. Good

morning. What are you expecting

from this expert panel

today? What I'd like to see is

some real ways of moving

forward that we can act now to

save people's lives and to

reduce the need that people

feel to have to board these dangerous boats in the first place. There are lots of things

that we can be doing right now to help save their lives,

to help save their lives, to

take that pressure off them.

When I was in Indonesia over

the last few weeks visiting

refugees and talking to them in

Indonesia it's very clear that

they feel they have no other

option, there is no safe

alternative to boarding boats.

So if we can provide them with

a safer way, some hope that

they can be looked after properly, that we can care for

them, that's the best way of avoiding their dangerous

avoiding their dangerous boat

journeys. And after making your

trip over there do you now see

any skeric of evidence that you

might support a Malaysia

solution? Absolutely not. The

idea of that type of plan by

Labor, Labor aes plan to send

people to Malaysia is about

hurting people. It's designed

to hurt people. That's the

whole point of it. So what I've heard from people

heard from people in Indonesia

who have already fled from

Malaysia because people come -

they get to Malaysia, they try

and register with the UN HCR there, they fail to be assessed

in a timely manner or to be

resettled because there's so

many of them and the resources

the UN HCR have are so small

they move to Indonesia and try

there and many of people have

had to flee from Malaysia to Indonesia because they just

Indonesia because they just

aren't safe at all in Malaysia.

I heard stories of people who

had been bashed and brutalised

simply because they'd gone to

authorities as refugees saying

we need your help. There's stories of young women and

girls who sexually assaulted

and yet they can't go to the

police in Malaysia because

they're seen as illegal and

they're going to risk being

deported. There is a deported. There is a

lawlessness that exists for

refugees in Malaysia. Sending

people back there let's not be

too cute about this, it is

designed to hurt people. That's

the whole point of a deterrence

policy. It's not what is in the

best interests of resks -

refugees and it's not what

Australians, we are signatories

to the refugee convention, we

need to do things to help care

for refugees, protect them, not put them further in harm's

way. Do any of those stories

motivate you to get the Greens

to the table seeking a

compromise or will you not

budge away from onshore? You

know, what I want to see is the

things that we can be doing

that are within the law, that

are within our obligations under the convention. We could

money into Malaysia be putting a whole lot more

money into Malaysia and

Indonesia and into the

assessment processes there and

trying to give people some

safety net while they're

waiting to be assessed with a

those people directly commitment to resettle more of

those people directly out so

they have some hope, they have

some hope that there will be

eventually protection at the

end of the line. But this idea of dumping people offshore, offshore dumping, whether it's

in Malaysia which is a cruel in Malaysia which is a cruel

place to send refugees, or in

Nauru, that's not a solution

that cares for refugees, that's

only a solution for politicians

who want a quick political fix.

The Greens aren't interested in

that. How is the Australian Parliament going to move

forward then? Well I hope that

today when the Houston panel reports back that they would

have looked at all of the

submissions and all of the

towards them evidence that's been put

towards them and there will be

some things such as those I've

outlined in terms of the

Green's plan and has been

backed by experts. Are those

things that you've outlined

really practical? Absolutely.

They they have to happen. If

they don't happen we'll see

more people lose their lives on

the high sea and we will see

more people simply taking the

next dangerous boat journey, if

not to Australia it will be to

somewhere else. And if the somewhere else. And if the

idea, if the Government and the

Opposition's idea is to just

oh, we don't mind refugees, we

just don't want Australia, well frankly that's just don't want them in

not being honest with the Australian people. Whether

they're interested in people's

- saving people's lives or

we're not. You say your party

has its limits, have those

limits changed at all? They

haven't changed. What we've

done is been able to talk to done is been able to talk to

experts on the ground, to work

out what is practical to do in

Malaysia and Indonesia. What is

practical to do in terms of

boosting our efforts to reduce

that need that people feel to

board those dangerous boats and

we do need to put more energy

into reducing that pressure in Indonesia in particular. You can't just have onshore

processing in Australia and

think that's enough. We've got think that's enough. We've got

places like Malaysia and to be doing this other stuff in

Indonesia to avoid people

taking those journeys in the

first place. But the Federal

Government wants to pursue some

offshore processing. It seems

to me surprising that you've

done all of this work and that

you're not more desperate to

find a compromise with the

Federal Government and indeed

the Opposition all

compromise that's being together. Because the

compromise that's being spoken

about is a compromise on

people's lives. It's the whole

point of offshore dumping is to

hurt people, that's the whole

point of it. And it is illegal

under international law. It

goes against the convention and

it goes against what the High

Court has said. The High Court

handed down their finding and

it was very clear that

Australia cannot just decide

when we want to stick by the law and when law and when we don't. We need

a solution that works for refugees, that protects refugees but that is within the

law because if we don't we are

simply opening ourselves up to

treating the most vulnerable people in the worst possible

ways and there will be no

checks and balances. Senator,

thanks for your time today. We

wait to hear what the expert

panel says and then we might