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(generated from captions) bitter, prawn cracker. Oh, um, sweet, sour, salty, It is. Really? and stir to coat. Pop your calamari into a bowl when you handle food, My nan used to always say, it gives it more flavour. She had the most severe dermatitis of truth to the claim. so there was probably a fair bit screamingly hot. Now, your wok needs to be So, fan on, windows open. to toss in your vegetables. Add a dash of oil. You're going everything around. And then we're going to stir Nice, satisfying sizzle. And then pop the lid on to steam. the vegetables are softened. Just going to cook them until Mmm, how long does that take? is more about intuition, For me, cooking using one's senses. Do those vegetables feel cooked? They're not. And they probably are. Into the wok with your squid. a bunch of coriander. Roughly poleaxe are al dente Just check that our noodles or as the Chinese would say... what they'd say. Actually, not really sure shrilling and to the point. I'm sure it'd be something for serving. And onto a gorgeous platter very Chinese either. Bon appetit - doesn't sound What? Sek fan. for 'good health'. I believe it's Cantonese Sounds like you're in pain. I'd check that. in last week's episode We wish to apologise for errors of Audrey's Kitchen. of marijuana is prohibited by law While technically a herb, the use listed as ingredient, and it should not have been any scientific evidence nor is there linking mental illness store-bought mayonnaise. to the consumption of (Bell tolls) Trevor Williams NARRATOR: The Right Reverend Bishop of Limerick and Killaloe. is the Church of Ireland and 64 churches He presides over 16 parishes across five counties. most recently appointed bishops, One of the Church's that his position he's already finding and the people he serves. puts walls between him So now he's going undercover without deference or prejudice, to meet people on the level, about their needs. to find out firsthand not being dressed up as a bishop Certainly, when you start off conversations. makes it easier and rig-out of a bishop I think all of the paraphernalia 'Gosh, this is a person sort of says, much more important than I am.' who thinks they're like that? Yeah. And who wants to meet a person I'm hoping for two things. I think, on this journey, from the community I'm hoping to learn a lot to know how to do church better. that will actually help us what this is about here. Not too sure A different kind of church. This is a church. I peeled them meself. (Laughs) You see those spuds, has something to offer. I do believe the Church it might be a means by which I'm hoping that a lot more relevant we'll be able to make the Church and closer to people. about the Church Do you actually care or not? and how it should reinvent itself It's boring? It's boring. Yeah. Yeah. that I'm looking for - I'm excited. It's the surprise who I wouldn't normally meet, who are different from me, to meet people that I have most to learn. because it's from them work out, though, do you? You never know how it's gonna (Bells toll) MAN: Get ready. is managing a Church in decline. NARRATOR: Bishop Trevor and resources, With dwindling numbers as much as ever, he believes that now, to play in our society. Christianity has a vital role But what exactly is that role? who keep the church doors open Someone said, 'It's those who keep the pews empty.' to keep the Church going And just living is not attractive to anyone. Is it OK in the back, Jane? stop thinking about itself The Church has to loving its neighbours. and think about That's what it needs to do. for other people. And to start living Could you get my stick, please? # MAJESTIC HYMNAL MUSIC His challenge over the next month of making the Church of Ireland is to find ways also a Church FOR Ireland. aren't coming to his Church, But since people to take his Church to the people. he's decided it's time I'm aware that most people is something of the past. feel that religion It's really just not relevant. some sympathy with that view And, you know, I do have structure of our Church. in terms of the institutional 'What's this all about?' They say, you know, Well, here at St Mary's, people who worship regularly here. we are part of the community of there is a real trouble (Voice-over) I think that of the Church, that the public face where it sees its leaders, where it sees buildings, up at the front, and so on, like me, in funny dress shall we say? it's an acquired taste, its own preservation If the Church sees as the only thing it's about, a very sad existence, I think that's what Jesus calls us to be, compared to to make a real difference - and that is in our own personal lives, not only the communities in which you live. but make a real difference in That was a good sermon, as well. of forward-thinking. There was plenty NARRATOR: The bishop's cover on the future of the Church, is a television documentary and mitre, only, without his crozier to the people he meets, he'll just be Trevor a very hands-on reporter. That worked a bit better - Christmas three months ahead. when people didn't celebrate Do you know what I mean? I'm about to embark on this journey because I need, if you like, to find out what my role is as a bishop. I spent a lot of time in Northern Ireland. I've just come down here. I need to get in touch with the community and to find out what makes people tick here. I like coming alongside people and listening to what they have to say. In fact, I far prefer that than talking. That's what I'm looking for. And that's maybe why I'm going on this journey - who I wouldn't normally meet, to meet people who are different from me, because it's from them that I have most to learn. Excellent. OK. Thanks, Andrew. All the best. OK. Good. MAN: Safe journey wherever you're going. Yeah, thank you. NARRATOR: Worried that his Church isn't doing enough to meet the needs of the most vulnerable in his community, Trevor's on his way to St Munchin's Family Resource Centre on the north side of Limerick City. I think I need to go to good people who are doing great things in the community and to see what questions they are asking and to see what motivates them. St Munchin's offers a wide range of services and activities to the local community, and Trevor has volunteered to join them. My job is to enable other people to improve on what they're doing and to support them in their work. So anything I learn here today I think I'll be able to put into good use in the Church as well. Today he'll be helping to prepare and deliver Meals on Wheels for elderly people in the neighbourhood. Hello there. But what none of the regular team knows is that their new volunteer is a bishop. Trevor's my name. How are you? Hi, Trevor. How are you doing? So what's on the menu today? Making cabbage today. Can't beat it. Can't beat it. So what happens here? I mean, you obviously cook the meals here, is that right? Yes. And deliver it to the elderly. Right. The older people. Some elderly people can be very isolated, can't they? Exactly. It's not especially the meal, it's the, kind of, meeting someone during that day. I know. Yeah. Yeah. it's just a few minutes. Even though it's only a few minutes. Yeah. So, Geraldine, the people you visit, do they really become almost friends? Friends, oh, yes, big-time. Very big-time, yeah. So I suppose... Like family, you know? Like family? Right? Yes, like family. Yeah. Isn't that lovely? Yeah. Course it is, yeah, yeah. Fantastic. So, in a sense, you know, because you're volunteering, now you've got so many friends around all this area. Whole community, yeah. Yeah. It's great. So it's good, yeah. And you mentioned the word 'community' there, I suppose that is about working together, looking after each other. Yeah. Just doing a little bit of cosmetic surgery, going on here. She's going back over my stuff. (Laughs) It's only my ones that need to be tarted up here. You peel very well. Do I? Gosh. (Chuckles) Now, keep that to yourself, now, because I'll be doing this every day of my life. You might do a bit of voluntary work. (Both laugh) The Roman Catholic Church is, or has been, so much part of the community. The Church of Ireland's different, has a different story - it is only now beginning to relate to the community in a very free and natural way. So who are we going to see now? We're going to see Mr Mack first. Mr Mack? Mr Mack. (Voice-over) I suppose, from a Christian point of view, there's something amazing about what Jesus taught. You see those spuds, I've peeled them meself. They're yours? They're very good. (Laughs) He said, 'When you give a cup of water to someone who is thirsty, you're actually giving a cup of water to me.' It's the contact with some people coming every day to say hello. It is, yeah. Say hello, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Geraldine's very friendly. Hello. Hello. Trevor's my name. They're a godsend and they're a great crew over there. Enjoy your meal. I will. Pleased to have met you. And you, too. (Voice-over) That was a fantastic morning. Some great people - both as volunteers, workers, in that community. And the thing that binds them all together is that they felt part of the community, they were contributing to the community, but also getting so much back. I was born one year, and nine months later, my father was killed in a traffic accident. And my mother wanted to stay at home to look after her two children, and so we had paying guests in. We were always tight for money. I remember my mother saying to me, 'We haven't enough money this weekend, but it'll be alright.' And she used to say, 'Our Heavenly Father will look after us.' Now, she didn't know how that would happen or if it would happen or whatever. But, inevitably, we would get through, and either some friends would help us out or whatever else. And, you know, that's a big part of my faith now - that I know that there is always hope. And I think what that has given me is a sense of never to give up... ..that there's always something small that can be done to make things better. NARRATOR: In 1971, after graduating from Trinity College, Dublin, Trevor trained to be an Anglican priest. Do you fancy watching the match with me? WOMAN: Yeah. He's been married to Joyce for the past 30 years and they have three sons and one grandchild. Trevor has spent much of his career in Northern Ireland. During the troubles, he worked for many years in religious broadcasting for the BBC, before later becoming leader of Corrymeela - a cross-border and cross-community centre for peace and reconciliation. Wow. Brilliant. (Voice-over) I'm really enjoying being a bishop, I must say. It's not something I ever thought I would be, nor ever wanted to be, actually. I'm not the typical bishop. My life has taken various twists and turns, and in many ways, I've always worked, if you like, on the edges of the Church, as an institution. The fact that I'm here is really very strange. The only thing I can, sort of, rely on is that maybe God had something to do with it, so that's good. BOTH: Yes! Great. Fantastic. He was given no real job description for his bishop's role, and after four years, he's still getting used to it. I remember the time when, just after I was made bishop, we had worked on this committee for six years or something, and I was always just another member of the committee and so on, then I came back with the bishop's uniform on, as it were - well, like I am now - and then someone said something quite interesting, and I just followed it up, saying, 'I agree with that,' but as I said that, everybody went, 'Oh!' You know, 'The bishop has spoken,' you know. It was incredible. Not nice at all, actually. And then I said, 'It's only me.' (Chuckles) One of the main things is they call him 'Bishop' now, or 'Bishop Trevor'. Whereas before, they always just called him 'Trevor'. So I suppose that's the main difference so that I know that he has changed, or their perception of him has changed. My perception of him hasn't changed at all. He's the same person I married. (Phone rings) Hello. Joyce speaking. I have quite a bit of pressure from my diocese to put myself out there more. They want their bishop to be saying things about this, that and the other all the time. And that's probably the role I need... It just doesn't come easily to me, actually. I don't write books. It's not my thing. And this is something maybe I can do. One of the hardest groups for Trevor to reach are young people, many of whom see the Church as not only out of touch, but tainted. For all sort of reasons in terms of a particular history that religion was seen as a binding force for community in the formation of the Irish State and so on, that's an artificial role, I think, for religion. Alternative meanings are on offer now through science, through the human intellect, through all sorts of explorations, so religion is now seen to be one of the options, and for many people, quite a discredited option, because it's not cool, it's not fashionable - 'We've done that. That's the past.' What, if anything, can he do to inspire this lost generation and convince them that they have a place and a role in the Church. He's visiting St Anne's Community College in Killaloe, a coeducational school with over 500 pupils. Is that it? Alright, ta. Great. It's quite scary really. This is gonna be very interesting 'cause it's kind of a free-for-all really. And I'm sure I'll be... I might be asking the questions, but I feel as if I'm under as much examination as they are. It's not gonna be an examination. I hope it goes really well. You never know how it's gonna work out, though, do you? How you doing? Good. The students have been told that a television reporter is coming to talk to them about the relevance of religion in Ireland today. They are not aware that the reporter is a bishop. What I want to do now actually is, actually, I just want us each to think of this for ourselves. OK. How many people here, you know, where it was a regular thing for you to go to church when you were very small? The vast majority of people, yeah. And how many people would still go regularly to church? OK. What was the main reason why you no longer find going to church something you want to do? BOY: It's boring. It's boring? It's really outdated. All the hymns and whatever, it's really, kind of, I don't know, depressing, in a way. You have to remember, like, all the stuff that priests did to, like, children and adults growing up, like. That's obviously a huge factor why not as many people go to church. Do you think that means that people have lost their trust...? Trust, exactly, yeah. NARRATOR: Many of the students in the school are Roman Catholic. But, to Trevor, that's not important. His challenge is how to make Christianity relevant to their lives. If you could reinvent church, right, what are the one or two things, you see, that would be really important? I think it needs to be more accessible and open to everyone. Priests should be allowed to marry as well and have a life, like, have children and stuff, like. Women should wear a robe as well. Communication. Communication? Yeah. Between the priest and the people at mass. Do you feel, at mass, there's lack of a relationship? Yeah. Yeah. Do you actually care about the Church and how it should reinvent itself or not? It's helped me through a lot of things, and if I didn't have that, then I don't know what I'd do. Doesn't matter. I wouldn't really care if the Church wasn't there, personally. I think I would certainly miss the comfort of it, you know, having something to turn to. I was really surprised, actually, by this morning. It was really a good experience. I enjoyed it. And the nice thing about it for me was that they enjoyed it too. It was more open. I learned about what people in my class believed, so it was cool. Trevor, I feel, he's kind of more mellow. Like, he's really kind of respectful... I know I said respectful about three times today. But he wants to hear your opinions. I didn't expect it to be that fun, but it turned out to be good. It was nice hearing everyone's opinions on faith and everything in the Church and just what people would do. I think what I've learned from the journey so far is that there are things that we need to do in the Church to be relevant to the lives of young people. I'd really like them now to experience a new way of being in church, and see how they would respond to that. This is just a little... it's a bedroom, actually, but we've just made a very temporary chapel out of it and this is where I say the offers in the morning. This is a very handy way of getting the prayer book sorted out quickly. I don't think this journey and I don't think essentially what I'm about is promoting the Church of Ireland. I'm not a kind of, you know, managing director of the sales force. There's something much more important actually. I mean, I think I'm there to try, in whatever - gosh - humble way I can, is to represent the good news that we've found in the story of Jesus. NARRATOR: Trevor is concerned about a growing phenomenon in his diocese. More and more men today are feeling isolated from their communities and families. I'm aware of some very good projects that are meeting some of the real issues of unemployment and people who feel cast aside because they're not in a job or don't have a career. And I'd love to see how perhaps the Church can learn from that experience. Look forward to seeing you tomorrow. And what time are you kicking off at? Michael Cavanagh, a rector in one of Trevor's parishes in County Kerry, is doing something about it, and Trevor wants to know more. Do not mention, though, I'm a bishop, you know. I'd prefer to meet people just as they are. No, I'm not gonna wear a mitre or bring my staff or anything like that. Yeah. I'm just gonna be an ordinary person. OK, right. Cheers, Michael. Bye. Bye. Great. He's a laugh. I am really hopeful that we will rediscover community, that we will actually start believing in what we can do together, that actually by coming together, we can make small steps. If we get the confidence to do that, I think we're on the way. In Kenmare, Michael has brought together a group of local men to form a men's shed club in an adult education centre. This is a new venture and I'm really interested to see it and meet the people who run it. Oh, so this is it. Great. Oh, yeah. There's a good number of people here. Great. The group knows it's playing host to a TV crew, but the guys have no idea that the new man in the shed is a bishop. John. Hello, John. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Great. Trevor is my name. The men's shed is part of a movement popping up all over the country. Their motto is 'Men Talk Shoulder To Shoulder'. Centred around practical activities, these clubs provide a gathering place for men to socialise and contribute to the community through various activities. (Speaks indistinctly) It looks better this side A fine mortice, yeah. (Laughs) The Kenmare club has just started an ambitious boat-building project. The Kenmare crew is... Yeah, well, it'll be a boat of its own design. Generally, a three-handed currach is about 19.5ft. And the boat we're gonna make will be about 15.5ft, thereabouts. Fantastic. It's good because it keeps people's interests up and things like that, you know, because the place is kind of, you know... a lot of the work and things is trade up in all these type of places, do you know what I mean? And it's a pity places, things, close down altogether. You're a relative newcomer. Yeah, this is only my third week here and enjoying it immensely so far. Some people might say women are better at getting together and, you know, just having a chat and making friends than men. I suppose women react more at home and, you know, they're... (Speaks indistinctly) ..in each other, where a men's shed thing, I suppose, is an old-fashioned way, I guess, to get men doing things together as, you know, meeting in groups whenever they want. That's not bad at all. You might find it easier to use a bigger tool. I suppose when the Church is involved in something like this, people are looking for alternative motive for why you're doing it. Are you trying to get more bums on the seats in your Church by doing this? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I think that would be... ..almost deceitful, in the same way we hear stories of people offering soup for conversions. That's scurrilous. This, I think, is just being a part of the community. Certainly if people wanted to talk about God, if people wanted to talk about their faith, then fine. This here is not the one they're building here. No. Because this has got flared gunnels. Ah. I found it quite moving actually. And the main thing that came across, for me, was hope - hope in the individuals that I spoke to. Because they all felt they were contributing to a project. They loved being together. And they saw that this was something they really were committed to. In areas like this, where there's a lot of loneliness, isolation, people unemployed, as they talked about, to have something as riveting and as energising as this is fantastic. For me, that's a real example of what the Church of Ireland can contribute, even though we're very small in numbers, even if we don't have a lot of resources to offer, but we do have people with ideas, and maybe that's all it takes sometimes for community to work and to develop. I did that, yes. I did a mortice on this. Well, we'll make a note. Make a note, yeah, absolutely. Just... (Laughs) With a little cross there. (Both laugh) This journey for me has been like a retreat, but a retreat into the world instead of a retreat out of the world. It's to relearn, you know, what we are about as Church and I'm learning a huge amount about that. I think the danger for people like me at the centre of the Church's life is that the Church becomes our life. And we forget the reason why we exist, and that is to be a bridge, if you like, of God's love. (People sing jubilantly) NARRATOR: Next week on Bishop Undercover, Trevor looks for a solution to the dwindling numbers in his Church by paying a call to Limerick's Abundant Life Centre where it's standing room only. Some of our normal Church of Ireland people just coming here might find this a little bit off-putting. So let's welcome Bishop Trevor Williams. And as Trevor returns to the people who have inspired him, he has to come clean about his real identity as he tries to inspire them. (All cheer) Brilliant. Nice to see you again. Everybody's here. It's fantastic. Hi. The whole crew. 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