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(generated from captions) Pretty good for a first Another asylum seeker boat has been intercepted overnight near Christmas Island. It came just hours after a vessel capsized yesterday. The rescue operation for that boat ended overnight. There were 130 survivors, 1 person confirmed dead and 3 believed to have drowned. The tragedy sparked heated and emotional debate in Parliament. I believe that Australia has had a gutful of us fighting on this issue. they're sick of hearing of more people dying. After the bill was passed by the lower house, it goes to the Senate today. But the Malaysia solution remains a major sticking point for the Coalition. I will never, ever, support a people swap where you can send a 13-year-old child unaccompanied to a country without supervision. Never - it'll be over my dead body. So, is this deal doomed to fail? We're joined now by the Prime Minister Julia Gillard. Good morning. First of all, , We have had a gut full full of this. We are sick of the politics, won't you budge on Malaysia. We are sick of the politics, why The bill that's before the Senate today, Kochie is a genuine compromise and it's the only bill that can pass the parliament today. It's taken the central element of the government's plan, the arrangement with Malaysia and combininged it with the central element of the opposition's plan. It passed the house of representatives. So, passed the house of representatives. So, where we are today, is a very, very clear choice facing the Senate. Either people go home parliament tonight with laws in place that enable us to process Either people go home from

people offshore, or we leave the parliament with nothing done. I think the Australian people are looking to this parliament to act. They want to see compromise. We've certainly been prepared to compromise. The house of representatives yesterday endorsed that. But hang on, Malaysia isn't a signatory to the United signatory to the signatory to the United Nations charter. 140 other countries are. Why not swap Malaysia with one of those? That seems pretty easy to me. Well, Kochie, we have negotiated with Malaysia so that it would honour. Negotiate with someone else. David, it's not that easy to find countries to enter into arrangements to take asylum seekers. It's not that easy. The rangement we have negotiated with Malaysia is one in which Malaysia has said it would honour the central tenets of the refugee convention, is you don't return a person to a place where they could be persecuted, caught, killed, tortured, Malaysia has given that undertaking. We have expert advice from the people who advise the Howard government too that this is the most effective way of sending a message to people smuglers that Australia is no longer an open place where they can pretend to people that they can sell them passage, to get to Australia. All right. David, at the end of the day, I can sit here, I can sit here for hours and argue why Malaysia's the right solution and Tony Abbott could sit here for several other hours and argue why Nauru is the right solution, at the end of the day, we have got to work together and find a way of getting laws in place will enable us to protest people offshore. What we have done is way of getting laws in place that

combined both perspectives, Malaysia and Nauru and the only way that this parliament will pass laws today is if what went through the house of representatives yesterday, is endorsed by the Senate. So it's really a very grave question of conscious now for Senator, conscious now for Senator,s the House of Representatives has spoken, no the Rob Oakeshott bill, a genuine compromise, was supported by the government, by all the Independents in the house of house and people of very good conscious like Mal Washer, of the Liberal Party were of the Liberal Party were prepared to view it favourably. It's the only law before the Senate, and I am tauling on Senator, today is the day, we are on the verge of a solution, let's get this done. But there are two such big sticking points and it looks like it won't go through the Senate, despite your appeal this morning. Why appeal this morning. Why where does this leave us snrks sn we need to find this solution, will you cancel the winter break. It appears the Senate is not going to be the way to go. The only way of find ago solution is for a compromise to be endorsed. We've been prepared to compromise. It was not the government's preferred plan to have a detention centre in Nauru. There are many members of the Labor Party who have shed some quiet tears over endorsing that. It's something they found very hard. But people have been prepared to work for a compromise. So we are only going to see laws passed this parliament if people say parliament if people say " parliament if people say "let's put the politician to one side. Let's acknowledge I'm not going to get everything I want. Let's make sure everything can come together. That's what the House did yet." I know you are a big supporter United Nations, - the work at I know you are a big supporter of United Nations, and all the different agencies. I just can't United Nations, - the work at the

understand why you are so stuck on a country that doesn't sign to that charter, despite the fact, if they have said " have said "oh, we are going to to the central tenet, why to the central tenet, why don't they just sign the lease? have said "oh, we are going to agree

just sign the lease?" Why just sign the lease?" Why don't they become a signatory to it and become a signatory to it and show us. The Greens. These are a law unto themselves, do you feel like giving them a good shake and slap and say them a good shake and slap and saying " saying "guy, get a life." Let me go through though questions. On Malaysia, you and I can't make other countries sign conventions other countries sign conventions but we other countries sign conventions but we have been able to work with Malaysia and the United Nations high commission for refugees, the peak agency that deal was refugee issues has been involved in discussions as we have worked with Malaysia. So, Kochie, if your your central concern as an individual is what about United Nations, we have been talking to the relative United Nations peak as an individual is what about the

body all of the way through. They have been involved with the minister for immigration, Chris Bowen as he has talked to Malaysia. What about the Greens. Then on the question of the Greens, I don't care, whether someone is sitting in the Senate today is a liberal person, a national party person, a green person, I don't care if they are brown, red, pink, yellow, that doesn't worry me. I don't careless. I care whether people are acting in cord answer with their conscious. I care whether people are acting today to stop more drownings at sea. I don't want to see us leave this parliament without laws and the om way now of a law going through this parliament today is for the Senate to endorse what the House of Ret ifs voted for yesterday. If they don't, will you cancel the winter break and keep going? Sf sn if we can't keep this through today. It leaves news a dreadful pox. Will you looking at cancelling the winter break. I'm answering your question because something would have to move that make that worthwhile. proposition, Mr Abbott put to the parliament yesterday was defeated. make that worthwhile. The

So, Mr Abbott's proposition did not get the support of the House of Representatives. The proposition, the compromise, the genuine compromise did get the support of the House Of Representatives. We are in a situation where the leader of the opposition and his team isn't prepared to move a millimetre, we are not going to see change. prepared to move a millimetre, then we are not there yet. There is still we are not going to see change. But the opportunity for Senators this morning. Yes, no, if it doesn't get through the Senate yes or no, that's all we know. Will you cancel the winter break? Well, I would be prepared to sit here if there was going to be So yes, you will Let me finish Let me finish my sentence. I would be prepared to be here of be prepared to be here be prepared to be here, of course I would if there was the prospect of getting something done. But, getting something done. But,, David, I want you to understand this, I don't want you to walk away with a miss impression. If this bill doesn't through go through the Senate today, then I do not see, even if this parliament sat all through the winter break, how a law would get through it. This is the law. Maybe we have to keep you all in detention and just stay there and say " say "come up with a way of stopping this." Anyway. Well, David, I agree. We have to come up with a way of come up with a way of stopping That's why when there is a compromise on the table, that has come up with a way of stopping this.

gone through one house of parliament, it really is not the right thing for the other house of parliament to stand in the way parliament to stand in the way of that becoming law. All right, certainly pressure on the Senate today. Really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you. Thank you.