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which is not a signatory to the

refugee convention. Chris

Bowen. Greens leader Christine

Milne joins us now from Parliament House. Good morning

to you. Good morning. The

Government is willing to embrace Nauru, the Opposition

Leader wants to increase the

refugee intake to $20,000.

There's compromise there. Why

won't the Greens Budget

budge: The Greens have said we

would today increase the

humanitarian intake to take the

pressure off people in

Indonesia and take the pressure

off them feeling as if they

have no choice but to board

boats. So we would do that

today. We would pour money into

Indonesia to help process

people more quickly, we would

make sure that our search and

rescue people are actually

going to go and anticipate and

see when boats are in trouble.

There are so many things we

could do. We've put to the

Prime Minister to convene a

leadership group to try to find

a long-term regional solution

to this issue. But

unfortunately what we've got

before us is something which

actually makes the situation

worse because I guess the

question is do you want to

provide a safe pathway for

people to come to Australia

when they are seeking asylum

here, if we want to do that and

save lives we can do that. Or,

do you want to send people away

out of sight, out of mind,

contrary to our global obligations? It's a round about

way of saying you will reject

the bill in the Senate. And you

also have reports of a third

boat in a week in distress in Indonesian waters. The concept

of the policy of onshore

processing is encouraging

people to jump into these boats

and put their lives at

risk. That is because they're

desperate. They feel like there

is no hope. There is no clarity

about how they are going to be

processed, how long they're

going to be in camps, it's not

a quick fix here. After jourld

introduced toisz everybody

thought that's a quick fix but

353 people drowned on the SIEV

X after that a policy was put

in place. Please a des peration

to have let's have a quick fix

so it looks like we're doing

something. What the Greens want

to do is we want to save lives.

We want to stop people feeling

so desperate they want to get

on a boat and that means taking

more people from Indonesia.

There are 8,000 people in camps

in Indonesia. If we increased

our humanitarian intake in

Australia, then we would reduce

the pressure. If we actually

told people in those camps they

had a pathway to Australia,

then the pressure goes off

them. But instead of that, the

whole think thing is let's

geter them, let's sefrnd them

away, let's get rid of them.

For Chris Bowen to talk about

which countries he would send

them to, actually seeking

asylum is something we are

obliged to take under our

refugee convention. What is

preferable - trying out this

deterrent option, giving

offshore processing a go or

seeing another 90 people die as

we've seen in the last week? We

saw the very cruel offshore

processing under John Howard.

We saw billions spent on the so-called Pacific Solution

- That was the past, 90

refugees including women and

children have died over the

past week. What do you think

when you see body bags brought

to Christmas Island? I'm

horrified by that and I'm also

offended that you would think

anyone would be sitting here

thinking it was OK for people

to drown. We you don't think

it's OK, tants doesn't think

it's OK, the Prime Minister

doesn't think it's OK. There's

a pressing need to get a

solution, a multi party

committee will take months. All

sides of politics agree it's

admirable. The process of

establishing greater on shore

facilities will take some time

but that won't stop people

hopping on boats. Don't you

agree that there has to be a

degree of compromise by all

parties to solve this issue. If

you announce today if that you

are taking several thousand

people from camps and putting

them into Australia you would

find you would find people are

not getting on to boats. The

issue is a safer pathway that would sop them getting on

boats. That is the issue and

that's what we want to do to

make sure people know what

their pathway to Australia is

and it's safe and that's what

we will be putting to the Parliament. Let's take the

pressure off people and do the

right thing. Instead of

pretending you're doing the

right thing when you're

actually say ing, OK, we just

want to send you out of sight,

out of mind. This bill allows

the Minister to send peopletory

ran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria.

This is not a solution. But the

Opposition Leader as you well

know is offering to up the

refugee intake by 6,000 or

7,000. Surely that is reaching

out, can't you at least go

halfway there in the great

sense of compromise? I think

it's fantastic that the

Opposition is prepared to do

that. Admittedly it 's over

three years we would like it to

be each year bit's great issue

and what I'd like to see is the

Coalition supporters today in

the Senate in moving to do just that. Let's actually send that

signal today that we will take

more people because at the

moment we only take 60 people,

60, from Indonesia and Malaysia

each year. Is it any wonder

people feel desperate and think

they're got no hope of getting

here and that's why they're

forced on to the boats. If we

actually said let ice take a

few thousand people and tell

people in the camps that's what

we're about to do. That would

take the pressure off the

boats. Again, we are still

trying to clarify the

circumstances of this third

boat, the boat s are still

coming. Is there any way you

could see you compromised on

the bill currently before the

Senate today? What we want to

see happen is a safe pathway

and to take the pressure off desperate people coming on

boats and that is what we will

be moving to do. But we will

not be supporting a bill which actually makes the situation

worse. It's actually a sleight

of hand to say to the

Australian people we're doing

something that will be a quick

fix. It will not. But in order

to save people's lives, we have

to make sure first of all with

that boat in distress today

that our search and rescue

people are there and actually

anticipate it and not wait

until people are in the

water. So just to clarify and

it is going to be a very

emotional day many 2 Senate

today. We all saw what

today. We all saw what happened

on the House floor yesterday,

lives are being lost, politicians feel very deeply

about it. You feel very deeply

about it. There is no way this

is the last sitting day before

a long six-week winters break

with more boats likely to come

in that period, there is no way

the Green also budge on the bill currently before the

Senate? We won't be supporting

the bill before the Senate. But

we certainly have a proactive

initiative there to say, let's,

today, in the Parliament,

increase the number s we take

and take the pressure after

those camps in Indonesia and

therefore not make people feel

as if they have no choice. But

at the same time I would like

today to have prioritised

safety of life at sea. Christine Milne in Canberra, we will leave it