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Not quite a national

political issue but certainly

with national ramifications

is the State of the economy

in Queensland. Now, former

federal treasurer Peter

Costello was commissioned by

the new LNP Government to do

a bit of an audit to take a

bit of a look at how things

were in the sunshine State

economically and what he

found was pretty damn

concerning. Not only has the

State already lost its AAA

credit rating but it may well

lose its AA credit rating

that it is currently on

unless it significantly

changes course. He predicts that in just a matter of a

few years, the State, if it

doesn't change its financial

management approach, will be

running deficits of over $20

billion a year. That is a

State Government, not even

the largest State, not even

the second largest State in the quelds that we are

talking about. That is

pretty concerning stuff.

More concerning than the State of the economy in

Queensland, let's be honest,

the LNP by commissioning

Peter Costello here, are

trying to put themselves in a

position where they can blame holus bowlous the Labor

Government but the way out of

this mess is to sell State

assets. Now, citizens don't

like the idea of selling the family silver, it doesn't

seem good, but at the end of

the day, the modern economy

that we live in has put us in a situation where we

understand economists, that

is, that sometimes it has to

be done. And Queensland has

to muscle up. The Government

has to muscle pup. And

accept that whether they like

it or not, the only way out

of this mess will be to sell State assets to get debt

levels under control in the

coming years. Reining in

spending, according to Peter

Costello, won't be enough. Turning around and putting up

taxes, there is a guaranteed

way to create social disorder

at the same time as trying to

bring in extra tax revenue

won't be enough, according to

Peter Costello. Well, the

Treasurer in Queensland, the

new Treasurer it is, tells us

that they are not going to do

any asset sales without the

prooelf of the voters.

Sounds a nice idea. At the

democracy but this Government end of the day we live in a

has just been elected, that

means that for three years,

they won't sell assets

because they haven't promised

that they are going to do it.

It means in three years time, the situation will be that much worse and that's assuming they even have the

courage to go to the next

election pledging to sell

assets and if they even do

that, it takes years to put

together a sale of public

assets. So that is not good

enough, quite frankly, by

this LNP Government, they

have to be prepared to say to

the voters, we never pledged

before the election that we

were going to sell assets but

we didn't know how bad the

State of affairs were, that's

why we commissioned Peter

Costello to do what is he has

done. It is called political

courage. If a new Government

in Queensland, that has

reduced them to a single

number of digit seats in the

Parliament, when the world's

greatest Treasurer has told

them that is the only way out

of their economic mess, how

pathetic is that . Let's see

what the Pam have to think

about this issue and wider

issues. I'm joined by Dr

Greg O'Mahoney, thanks for your company. And Dee

Madigan as well, joins us, well-known communications and

PR consultant, thanks for

your company as well. Let me

ask you straight off the

back, Greg, start with you.

You are a before the an economic liberal at heart s that good enough that they are putting themselves in a situation where they are not

prepared to essentially take

the advice, at least the

major part of the advice, that Peter Costello is

offering? Peter, it does

seem pretty bizarre. I mean,

I think people assume when

they vote a Government in,

that that Government makes

decisions based on changing

circumstances all the time.

And as you point out, it is

hard to imagine a Government

that Queensland Government with a bigger mandate than

currently has and the idea that they need to wait three

years in the face of the sorts of numbers that Peter

Costello has come up with extraordinary. Having said today, is pretty

that, I mean, some of the

rhetoric from Campbell Newman

this week, he has talked of

the economy being a small

plane crashing into a riv

even, liking it to a heart

attack victim, you would

think he was the Mayor of

Athens. It is amazing how

strong his rhetoric has been

but then how reluctant he is

to take any action. You can

understand why he has been

reluctant. Anna Bligh sold

assets because the GFC happened, it was unforeseen,

that is the reason she sold

the assets to, keep Queenslanders in jobs and my

God didn't she get punished. So you can understand why he

is reluctant to do the same

thing. He could say if he

wanted to that the baskt case that was the former

Government is unforeseen as

the GFC. Come on. I've

never seen a Government come in, take over and say that the previous Government ever

did a good job or that their

figures were right. What is

your view though? Surely if

ever there was a time for the

Government to be courageous,

it is now. You were there

helping the Queenslanders,

offering them some advice.

Maybe they only would have

won two seats if it hadn't

been for your involvement, but quite a serious point

though, at the end of the

day, now or never, surely. I

mean, John Howard had the

guts to look to go forward

with the GST, yes, he took it

to an election but that was

only because he didn't have

these kind of... But the GFC

was an extenuating

circumstance. It was exactly

like this. Anna Bligh did

what she did because she

believed it was safing jobs

and she got crewsfied for

it. Maybe, but - look,

that's true but she got

crewsfied and she was already

a Government long in the

trootsds on the way out.

This is a new Government. If

it breaks its promise, what

is the risk here, that it

might shed 10 seats, sorry,

that will make it the second

biggest majority in

Queensland. I don't think

courage is Campbell Newman's

strong point, but then I

would say that. This Government has absolutely

nothing to be intimidated

about in terms of the

numbers. I couldn't agree

more. It is baffling. You

would think decisive action

was required but equally

people are very sceptical and

always have been about

political parties and

governments selling assets.

Asset sails in particular, there is no doubt about that.

Let's move on. Let's get back to the national stage

because there's a hell of a

lot going on. What is both

your view on this unfolding civil suit that seems at

least to some extent like it

has blown up in James Ashby

face, at least now that the

Peter Slipper side of the

argument, the Commonwealth is

in a position to start firing

back. Greg, let's start with

you. I think it is too early

you. I think it is too early to say but the Government, the Commonwealth from what I understand, is now arguing

that Ashby's claim is an

abuse of process, it is not

properly brought to resolve

an ordinary harassment

dispute in the work place.

And should be struck out.

That will - whether that gets

up or doesn't, will turn on

the documents that have been

unearthed and no-one has

access to them other than the

parties at this point. We

have got questions by the way

coming in, where is Julia

Lisa. He is in Hawai. You

can just picture him there in

his T-shirt and let's end it

there. Back to James Ashby,

interesting segway, where do

you think that his suit is at

in terms of some of the

revelations today? I think

with any accusation, the character of the witness

matters and I think what we

are seeing now is that the

character has some fairly

dubious things happening.

But as Greg said, we are not

sure what those texts say

yet, there was communication

between those three people,

so until it comes out exactly

what is involved, but

certainly the story is

getting murkier and murkier.

It should be said as well,

the accusations flowing both ways are very serious,

Ashby's accusations are extremely serious as the

Attorney-General have said

needs to be taken very

seriously but equally so does

the assertion that the claim

amounts to an abuse of process. I mean, at the end

of the day, this is somewhat

arms-length from the Abbott Government, opposition, I'm getting ahead of myself, do

you think it has a chance of rebounding depending on where

it goes? I think so. There

was something going around

Twitter today as to who was

paying Ashby's legal fees and

things like that. The more there are connections leading

back to the Coalition, the

stronger that kind of - could

back fire on them. I don't think there's a single person

in Australia who genuinely believes that Christopher

Pyne was just passing the

time of day at 11 p.m. that Sunday night with the

speaker's staff. There has

been something very strange

about his response to that,

if you look at the various

statements he has made, they

are incredibly inconsistent

and why would they be if he

had nothing to hide? Yeah,

fair point. We have had a

few points and emails coming

this, about the discussion we

had earlier about Queensland,

one viewer takes the view

that he thinks there is no

doubt that asset sales will

happen, even though the

Government have not committed

to it so far. Another person

has said Peter, what an arse

you are, thanks for that.

Beat up on the LNP when it

was theably Government who

screwed Queenslanders. If I'm defending the beatity Government, I would have to

be the last person on earth

doing it. That is mie not my

point. My point is that off

the back of them getting

Queensland in this position,

it is the duty of the

Government now to get them out of it. Let's shift to the economic forum that was,

I guess, not so much daily

news as news from earlier in

the week. Is this more than

a talk fest? I mean, did you see anything come out of this

or did you just see this as another example of a few

sound bytes without any

action? It was unfortunately for this Government just

another example of the summit

season that started with

Kevin Rudd almost five or six

years ago now where there is

just an awful lot of talking,

an awful lot of embracing of

the business community, that

was the purpose of this one, but nothing came out of it

and you saw a lot of business

leaders express frustration

that the Government said that any short-term measures were

not on the table, it was just

an opportunity to sit down

and talk about priorities.

It was fascinating that the

Prime Minister said on the

back of it that one of her

key priorities is the

reduction in business tax and

it just - you know, you can imagine if you were a

business leader or a business

interest group, you would

take that comment with a

grain of salt given the event

of the last few months.

Getting that on the agenda

some time in the next five

years but Dee, did you think

that much was achieved in the

economic forum as was

achieved in the G20? The business tax thing was

interesting because she said

that she wants business to

have tax cuts but they need

to find a way to fund it

themselves. But dithink what

was interesting that came out

of it was big business groups

admitting to increase productivity, you don't cut

wages and reduce conditions. I thought that was something

that was nice coming from the

other side. The idea that

she would like to see tax

cuts for business eventually,

I mean, these targets are

beyond a joke, aren't they,

at the end of the day, I

would like to drive around in

a new Jazarati but it just

ain't going to happen. We

have got something like the

Gonski reports, we won't talk

about it now, but where the

Prime Minister is now

alluding to the idea that

they might do something, they

better get on with it

otherwise they will be

bundled out of the office.

We have got to take a

commercial break. When we

come back, we will widen the discussion, including to refugees, there has been some

more talk about that today,

unsurprisingly, you're watching the Contrarians.

Welcome back, you're watching the Contrarians

where I'm joined by the panel

as always. We will continue

shortly but first, let's take

a look at what's making news. Attorney-General

Nicola Roxon says that many

questions need to be answered

about the sexual assault case

brought against House Speaker

Peter Slipper by his staffer

James Ashby. Today lawyers for Mr Slipper told the court

that he is the victim of a

conspiracy by staffers to

undermine him by colluding

with his political opponents.

Lawyers for Mr Slipper and

the Commonwealth also

subpoenaed another advisor to

Mr Slipper and News Ltd

journalists Steve Lewis, they

say phone records will prove

a plot to sensitive information to Mr Slipper's

political opponents. Lawyers

say that the claims are vague and inconsistent. The

Gillard Government is

considering a Royal Commission into allegations

of sexual and physical abuse in the Australian defence

force, some dating back as

far as the 1950s. 775

potential cases emerged from

an abuse review initiated

after the so-called Skype sex scandal. There are reports

that some of the alleged

perpetrators could now be in

the senior defence ranks.

Calls for a Royal Commission are growing but the

opposition believes that the

Government should focus on

compensating the victims.

The Government has released

an updated list of high

polluting entities that will

pay the carbon tax with 24

councils and 22 companies

added now taking the list to

294. Climate Change Minister

Greg Combet says that that

number is still well below the Government prediction of

500 but it could still be

added to. The minister says

that more than 100 councils

that operate a lands fill

site were contacted about

whether or not they qualify

with 24 eventually added. The audit of Queensland's financial situation has found

the State's debt could hit

$100 billion in six years

time. Treasurer Tim Nicholls

has released the first

interim report of the audit

of Queensland's finances led

by the former Federal Treasurer Peter Costello. He recommends a range of measures to bring Queensland

back to a surplus, including

asset sales, a land tax, and

an increase in mining

royalties. In sport, after

14 seasons in the top grade,

Parramatta veteran Luke Burt

has announced that he will

retire from the NRL at the

end of the season. The

31-year-old says his time at

the club has seen him become

the leading try scorer. He

will stay with Parramatta

working in its well fair and education department.

Welcome back. This is the

Contrarians. I'm broad

casting out of Melbourne, I'm

joined by the Sky News studio

by Dr Greg Combet, Dee

Madigan and Claire Harvey

joins the panel. We had a

bit of a wardrobe malfunction

before but you are good to go

now. Let's get down to this

refugee issue. Dee, let me

start with you, if I can.

What is some of the kerfuffle

today, there is a Government

website which is telling

people who arrive by boat how

it is that they can work

their way towards achieving

refugee status, what is that

all about? Basically what

they are trying to do is counter act the

misinformation that smugglers are giving in another country, it is giving emthis

the facts, so that is the

purpose of the website. It

is politically a bit strange

though, isn't it, it's a great opportunity for the

opposition to argue that in a

sense the Government are encouraging this, even though I know that is not the

intent, that is certainly the opportunity that politically

presents itself, isn't it? I think it is the opposite.

What they are saying is that people smugglers are promising people things that

are not going to happen, so

it is giving them the facts

and rightly or wrongly, I

actually think it's a good

idea. It is not going to

make people come or not come.

But at least they will know

what they are going to face

when they are here. I think

the fact that is that all of

this information has been

around on Government websites

for ever and collating it on one website, which is what

the Government has done, I

don't think it is going to

make anyone more likely to

come. The Coalition's view

seems to be that if you don't give asylum seekers any

information, you present

Australia as a monna livic and unaccepting wall, that

will somehow be discouraged, I don't think that is the reality... They have got

people smugglers saying if

you come, you will get this.

When you are wondering what

you are going to do with your

children and grandma and I don't think that the reality of an Australian Government website, which tells you

about a flow chart of how you might be processed when you

get to Australia, is going to

make any difference at all

frankly. I think that might

be a little too nuance for the Shadow Minister and you

can just imagine how he is

going to simplify this issue

and say it is exactly that, a Government promoting

refugees. But isn't this

like the perennial debate,

you know, when you put

heating into a jail or allow

prisoners to have a blankets,

it's a five star resort and

you're treating them too

soft. It is just information. Information in

a context where people are

laced with misinformation and

that is pretty heart breaking. But on the other hand don't you as a

Government have to assume

that the Coalition will play

it like this? That is my

point. That is exactly my point, that whatever the

goodness, if you like n a

callating this information pragmatic sense might be in

into one website, whatever the intention might be about

trying to dispel some of the

misnomeas about what the

reality is, politically it is a difficult thing and as Greg points out, there is no doubt that the opposition are going

to jump on board and try to

make more political mileage

out of this. Hold that thought. Some tweets and

emails coming in. I watch

Contrarians on IQ which might

be an ocsy moron, I

appreciate that kind of feed

back. Joe Hockey needs to spend more time with Peter Costello because he might be

facing a similar disaster

soon. Someone thinks that

I'm more of a Porsche driver,

if only. And somebody is

immersedlessly bag Julia lamenting the fact that when

Gillard, I'm nonetheless

accused of being a lefty. So

the mad right and mad left

can keep the debate going.

Claire Harvey, can we get

your thoughts on the economic

forum. We discussed it before the ad break, I just

want to go back to it briefly

and ask you the same question

that I asked Dee and Greg.

Do you think this is another

talk fest? Do you think that

it is something that is going to improve business links for the government? Do you think

that it may be too late given

that we are already, I gegs, at the back end of this

Government's time in power?

I think talk fest is a really

boring accusation. That's

what the opposition... That's

what Greg said, I was just

echoing his words. But on

the other hand, I must say,

no to the completely agree

with Greg, it was I think a

very embarrassing dimunition of Julia Gillard's authority.

She invited people to come

and they didn't and it is a

real sign, I think, that the

Premiers think that she is

not worth bothering with, I

think for a Prime Minister to invite the Premiers of

various States to attend

something and for them to

reject that invitation is

highly disrespectful. But it

is probably something that the Prime Minister can't

complain about. She hasn't done much to earn their

respect. I think it is

incredible... You already had

your say Greg. I'm cutting

you off on this one. We are

moving to our new segment.

You were here last week Greg.

In case you missed it, here

it is, watch your screens,

this is our new segment on the Contrarians.

Claire Harvey, over to you, say something nice about

the Gillard Government. Oh,

I'm always happy to say

something nice about the

Gillard Government. That's

why I started with you.

Julia Gillard knits, that is

something nice. I went - I invited myself... I'Ll tell

you what, honestly, if that

is the best you can do. I

invited myself to have lunch

with the PM last week when we

published the interview on

the weekend and I asked her

what she does to wind down

and she said she knits, she

knits babies jackets in the

evening and I think it is a

very human side of Julia

Gillard. A lot of other

political reporters have

assumed that this is some

sort of brilliant strategy by

the Gillard Government to get out nice things about the

Prime Minister. In fact, I

don't think she really

intended to say it. Her

press sect trooes was quite

embarrassed and wouldn't --

secretary was quite

embarrassed. I think that is

the most powerful endorsement

of the Government I've ever

heard. I'm getting worried

about this segment. Troy

Bramson said she used to be a

very good public speaker. It is becoming a little

bit... Greg, I will give you

more time to think about you

saying something nice, but

Dee, I will go over to you

be, and don't go... Can I

just say the economy. You

are always rabbiting on about

the economy. The economy,

and the economy, and the economy. What about it?

That is three things. We

have one of the strongest

economies in the developed

world. Okay. How do you credit the Gillard Government

with creating that?

Absolutely. She is part of

it. We also have hospital

reform. We have My School.

I think there is plenty of

things. I could go on with

this for hours. You go

trying to take credit, even

Mark Latham, he was on last

week an he said the economy

but he didn't go as far to

say they created the good

times, he said they haven't

stuffed it up, and that is an achievement. A lot of the

economy is back to Keating,

hawk reforms and things like

that, but I think it is more

than not stuffing it up, I

think they have made good

decisions. Did you say you

do or you don't think that it

is Keating/Hawk? It is their

legacy, they certainly

strengthened it, but I do

think that the Gillard/Swan

Government has done well for the economy. The figures

prove it. Look at the jobs.

That is what it all comes

down to. It comes down to jobs. Have you said

something nice about the

Gillard Government Peter?

That's not my job, I'm the

presenter. I've just had a

piece of presenting advice

actually and he says Peter,

any chance you can just

present a television program,

the reason which I purchased

a TV, shove the tweets up

your - we will leave it at

that - but I'm not sure we

will be following thisvis.

We sell this program as the

only show on Sky or anywhere

else that we involve you as

the viewers and I'm

regretting that I did invite

you. What is your view? You

say something nice about the Gillard Government? Apart

from olympic funding, I think

it has supported the olympic

team which has been

fantastic. I think the

national disability insurance scheme... They haven't done

that yet though, it is just

an idea. It is, but it is on the agenda and it wasn't two

years ago and is suddenly

became on the agenda and it

has been embraced by just

about every interest group

that is engaged in a very

tricky part of Australia's

policy landscape. It is very

hard to criticise the Government for what it's done

on . Yes, maybe you would

prefer it to be instituted a

little bit more quickly but

thank God it's on the

agenda. Well, I will say

manage nice about the Gillard

Government. I think the

apology to indigenous

Australians was overdue. I think that they answered what

the community was calling for

when they ratified... Wasn't

that the Rudd Government.

This is cheating. That was

the Rudd Government. But she

was the Deputy Prime

Minister. It has to be about Gillard. All right. She

beat Tony Abbott at the last

election. There you go.

Kind of. Like not really.

But kind of. We are going to

take a commercial break.

When we come back, we will go

back to this issue of

refugees briefly but we will

widen the debate, it is the

killing season in the next

two weeks of Parliament, that

is how it is termed, there

has been some speculation of

whether it will be the demise

of Julia Gillard. When we

come back from the break,

you're watching the Contrarians.

Welcome back. Your Honour watching the Contrarians

where I'm joined out of the

Sky News studio by Alastair Clarkson, communications and

PR expert Dee Madigan, and Dr

Greg Combet. A good mate of

mine who is not involved in politics but I love having

him on this show. Let's

burrow down to, actually, first some emails an tweets

that have come in. We have

had one, some guy, says you

might not be a lefty like the

rest of your panel, Peter,

but you are definitely

pro-Labor not only as shown

by your panel guests but will

you say something nice about

the Gillard segment.

Seriously guys, could that be

any more of a take the Mickey

segment that someone at home,

I'm going to name him, Peter

simes, is silly enough not to

see the funny side of having

a segment called say

something nice about the

Gillard Government. He

believes, everyone that is

out there, Peter Simons, he

thinks this is a serious

segment, God help him. We

have had another email that

says is that woman a lesbian,

she has got no brains, they don't necessarily go

together, by the way, the

person who emailed that in, but Greg O'Mahoney, you are

not a lesbian, are you? No,

but I have turned a lot of

women off men. Knowing you

for as long as you have, I

can truly testify to that.

Let's get back to politics as

the phone goes off in the

background here. Let me ask

you Greg, what are you

spikting in the two weeks

that are coming up in Parliament House, the killing

season? Are you thinking

that there is going to be any

sort of antics of that nature or do you think the

likelihood of that has been

pushed back at least on the

Labor side until after the introduction of the carbon

tax has had some time to take effect? Peter, it's hard to

see anything happening in the

next fortnight. If you think

to what happened before Rudd,

things reached fever pitch

for the weeks leading town

that challenge and there were

so many triggers, Gillard has

survived so many triggers

this year, you wouldn't say

she has had a bad couple of

weeks on the back of the

budget, it's hard to see what

would be the reason in the

next two weeks. Having said

that, there's a sense of

inevitability that if the

polls don't pick up, some of

her colleagues probably won't

follow her over a cliff.

Claire Harvey? I think you

can write the leadership over

over and over again until it happens and I think that's

what will happen. It is

notable, I think though, that

Kevin Rudd has been at every

event that's been going on

lately. He was at origin.

We reported a couple of weeks

ago that he found his way to

the outback stake house at

wentworthvilto have a quiet

stake with Chris Bowen. He

is tweeting about his cat,

dog, grandchild, nappies, he

is determined to be out there. You reckon that is the way that he sells

himself, by tweeting about

all of that stuff? It gives

him a popular edge over maybe

not just the woman that he

Opposition Leader that he might replace, but the

might have to take on as

well? He actually asked Tony

Abbott's mess of a hash tag

the other day and he asked

whether pizza should be thin

crust or thick crust, which

is quite funny. Jime just

glad to see him upping the

tone on what he was like as

Prime Minister. He is

sending some powerful treats.

He sent one the other day

that red just touched down in Melbourne art, it's cold

here, should have packed a -- Melbourne arpt, it's cold

here, should have packed a

jumper. Good to know. We

have had an email that has

come in saying, basically,

taking issue with this idea that Julia Gillard beat Tony

Abbott at the last election.

Lucy has emailed in and said

Ms Gillard did not beat Mr

Abbott, the independents

betrayed them. There are two

forms of representation,

delegates and trustee, and

Edmond Burk, made the point

as a form of trustee sometimes Members of representation, that

Parliament have to do what

they think is right, not necessarily what is reflective of their electorate and that is

clearly what Windsor and

Oakeshott did, of course like

Edmond Burk, I suspect that

what we are going to see happen is they will lose

their seat at the subsequent

election, and that brings us

Greg, clark ahrd Dee to the

front page of 'The

Australian' as I finally get

into this, to tackle Windsor.

Tony Windsor, in his election

in new England, looks like he

will be up another a new

electorate who is the former independent speaker of the

lower house in NSW, his State

seat falls within the wider

electorate that Tony Windsor

holds, he used to be quite

good friends, that is a real

could, don't you think guys,

fork the National Party and

it pretty much consigns Tony

Windsor if you contest the

next election, to the dust

bin of history, doesn't it?

No, I don't. The National

Party have just... A Big

problem. Massive. He is the

Tony weunldsor of five years

hence, isn't he -- winder of

five years hence. He has got

a history of turning his back

on people who thought they

could trust him. He is probably a very able

politician but he is in this

game like all politicians for

what he thinks is right. He

is also fully in favour of

the NBN and he is saying he

will only join them if he can

cross the floor. They could

have put someone in there

that could fully be a national and yet they have gone with him, I think that

is crazy. Did you say they

are all in the game to do

what is right? For him but

then I moderated it a bit.

At the end of the day though,

do the National Party care if

they brif in a maverick? He

could hardly be more of a

maverick than Barnaby joys.

I reckon joys is not a

maverick. What has he done

that makes him a maverick.

Constantly threatening the Howard Government across the

floor, he never did it mind

you. He came up with the

line for the last election

which is great big new tax.

You can't argue that he's no

the a maverick though. Every

time he speaks. I think he is colourful and

talkative... He is not a

maverick in terms of the

voting party. You look at

his voting record. They just

kts... I Mean, He is toast.

But he might not be their

ideal candidate but surely

all they want is Windsor out

and how could anyone be more

annoying to the National Party than Windsor has

been. Doesn't that prove

that those seats are not

national seats. If they

don't think that they can get

a naegsal in and win, doesn't

it prove that... And the

other news Claire is what

does this do to Barnaby

Joyce's prospects because he

was talking about he wants

Bruce Scott's seat in the

lower house but he doesn't

want to go anywhere and he

has always said he will take

on Tony Windsor but not now,

not if this happens. That's

right. It's a very awkward

situation. I think he is someone who has been left out of these considerations.

Maybe he will become a move

Rick. And what do politics

and public debate suffer

enormously if we don't have

the privilege, the chance,

the outright privilege is the

only word I can think of, to

have Barnaby Joyce in the

lower house where he could

become... From an

entertainment point of view,

I would love to have Barnaby

Joyce in the lower house but

if I was the National Party,

it is not something I would

be pushing for. But he is

the National Party. Yeah, I

know, but I think that is the

reason he is not getting in

that lower seat. One of the

things that he said today was

that he was standing because "the independent brand has

been damaged" which might be

National Party but I would a little bit ominous to the

have thought the whole idea

of there being an independent

grant is a bit of a

contradiction in terms. The

other thing is that... Fair

point. If they did want a

conservative Government, they

should have voted for one,

that is the way it works.

These independents were

elected to make the decision

as they saw fit and that is

what they did. If you knew

anything about not only Tony

Windsor but also Rob

Oakeshott, you would have

known they would never have

gone with the Coalition.

They both harboured deep

mistrust and in Rob

Oakeshott's case great

bitterness about the National

Party. That's true. Look, I

think that it does sound like a contradiction, as Greg

says, but the idea of the

independent brand being damaged, I think that there

is truth to that

contradictory statement in

the sense that obviously we

saw independence get wiped

out right around the State

actually in the NSW election,

and there was some of it in

Queensland as well, when they

went to the polls. So

there's a real issue for

independent and he saw a

massive slay sliced off his

election when he had been

speaker of the house una

Labor Government. So all of

that is true. The next two

weeks of Parliament coming

up, let's get final thoughts

on all of that. For example

let's just randomly pick

something? Apparently there

is some extraordinarily

serious breaking news in West

Papua so we will have a great

story about that, I have no

doubt, but I can't give away

our splash sadly but it will

be worth reading. Actually,

the greatest interest is going to be the in

development in that Federal

Court case, I'm not are... Is

it a political splash, can I

ask that? It could be.

Interesting, good to know.

Dee, what about you, we

haven't talked about ADFA, which obviously was big news,

did you see that coming up in

politics next week or will it

get back down to the cut and grind? I think it is almost

a holding pattern now until

two or three months after the

carbon tax is in, I don't think anything is going to

happen for months. Greg,

your thoughts? I would like

to see the Government say something about what's going

on in West Papua. We have

seen one of the key

separators killed by the

Indonesians overnight

possibly by the same battal John that the Australians

radio silence from the have trained and there is

Government about that and the

possible repercussions of it

overnight tonight. They have

got to be careful. We are out of time. Thank you very

much for all of your company

on this episode of the

Contrarians. Dr Greg Combet,

Claire Harvey and Dee

Madigan, much appreciate the

three of you joining us. Thanks for having us. Thank you for your company as well.

I will be back in Sydney to

host on Sunday Australian

Agenda where our main guest

will be the shadow climate

change as we continue our

discussion about the carbon

tax in the lead-up to its

introduction at the end of

this month, that is Greg Hunt

and the panel, we will

discuss not just the week

that was, but also what to

expect in this two week

killing season that is

forthcoming, we will be Dr

John Hughesson, former leader

of the Liberal Party as well

as former Labor minister Graham Richardson, all of

that coming up on Sunday morning. I'm Peter Van Onselen, thanks for your

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