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(generated from captions) have to keep a close watch on

that. That report aired often

'7:30' night. The Foreign

Minister has announced

Australia will lift its remaining sanctions again

Burma. Senator Carr says the

move - he hopes the move will

encourage more democratic

reform in the country. One of

the interesting things was that

talking to people in Opposition

here and people in civil

society organisation s there's

no passion for sanctions. They weren't begging Australia to

maintain the sanctions. They

didn't raise the sanction. When

I in a few conversations said

we're moving to where we're

going to have to lift

sanctions, they were very

relaxed about it, even in one

case from a victim of the

previous regime who had been in

jail for 22 years. With a

Buddhist serenity he said,

words to the effect we've got

to start solving our own

problems now. I thought Aung

San Suu Kyi said it well when

she put to me we've got to

change as a result of our own

dynamics, not as a result of

not her words but coercive pressure from outside. But she

also said it's not time for

reckless optimism, it's time

for healthy scepticism. She has

viewed the sanctions as a lever

of pressure on the government.

So is it taking away a tool

that you may need later? More

specifically she define add

position as wanting sanctions

suspended, not lifted. And

effectively that is where we

are because with a signature on

a piece of paper we can

reinstate the sanctions we had. So they could be put

back? They could be put back.

It would probably take

something way beyond the likely

to have us put them back. But I

found talking as I said even to

opposition politicians here a

there's a decipher - desire for

the place to be treated like a

normal country and the

recognition that civil society

is now strong enough to

continue to provide its own

impetus for change. And indeed

I met some - I had a meeting

organised by the embassy with a

group of young citizens, a

citizen journalist who has a Facebook bit of Facebook

agitation, a singer who

contributes to good causes, a

doctor who works for the

community, given that health

care is so hard to get here,

they were proof positive that

this society is normalising

after all those decades of

military dictatorship. Except

that a very short time ago

there was discussion of

prosecuting some of the junta members in the International

Criminal Court for human rights

abuses and now sanctions are being lifted. The the country is supposedly norm liedsing but

they're still part of the

administration. Are we

forgetting thing s that have

happened before too soon? To

prosecute or not to prosecute

is a challenge that faces any

society in the transition from

a dictatorship, including a

military dictate orship to

normal civil society. Now, in

South Africa you saw the truth

and reconciliation approach.

Members of the apartheid regime

were not put in the dock that enabled society to get beyond

it. And there are other

patterns where that has been

the case as well. There are

other model tsz to be sure out

of the Balkans for example

where matters out of rest

Africa where mat verse

gravitated towards the

International Criminal

Courts. This is a decision that

the people of this country have

got to make. But they might

continue to proceed on the

basis that reconciliation and

reintegration is the way to

go. For example when I spoke to

years one of the generation '88, 22

years in jail, and I said, 'You

leer like Nelson man Dell

yafrmt you have no hatred of

your jailers. I find it hard to

believe.' But his trust is limited. It should be

limited. He doesn't quite trust

the military. He is not sure

whether they're going to wear

it. They've worn it till now

but what happens if Aung San

Suu Kyi in and the NLD win the

election in a landslide in

2015? She will become the

President. Will they put up

with it then? That is in 2015

and in the meantime the world

has got a lot of pressure on

them, even without

big sanctions. And they've got a

big stake. They've got a big

stake in things normalising and

Myanmar presenting itself to

the world is as normal society,

a member of ASEAN, an open

economy, a multiparty political

system, I think there are too

many gains, too many rewards in

how far they've come for them wanting to peel this back. But

if they did that would be

catastrophic for them and we

and other countries would be imposing sanctions all over

again: I think there are -

there's enough cause for

optimism but not reckless

optimism. Cautious optimism

based on the good will we've

seen on both sides. That is our

Foreign Minister Bob Carr