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ELEANOR HALL: First to the Melbourne Magistrates Court, where four men have now been charged over
what police allege was a conspiracy to launch a terrorist attack on Sydney's Holsworthy army base.

Yesterday only one of the four men arrested was charged, he was 25-year-old Nayef El Sayed and he
was charged and appeared in court accused of conspiring to plan an attack on the Holsworthy

This morning police revealed a 26-year-old Carlton man, a 25-year-old Preston man and a 22-year-old
Meadow Heights man were also charged.

Our reporter Sam Donovan joins us now at the court. So Sam run us through what happened in court
this morning.

SAM DONOVAN: Yes Eleanor, so far three of the men have appeared in court, and court has just been
stood down while some preliminary matters are sorted out.

But the first man to appear was Mr Ahmed and he is charged with that offence that you mentioned,
conspiring to prepare for an act of terrorism, namely that alleged planned attack on the Holsworthy
army base.

The second man to appear today was, I won't mention his name actually because there was application
made in terms of perhaps suppressing his identity, so that's just being sorted out at the moment,
and that matter has also been stood down.

I should mention the first man has also been charged with aiding and abetting to engage in
hostilities in Somalia, and that carries a 20-year penalty, that is a Commonwealth offence.

And the third man has just appeared in court, Mr Fattal, he appears to be one of the men of
Lebanese appearance that we've heard reported on in the last couple of days; we know some of the
men are Somali-Australians and some of the men allegedly involved Lebanese-Australians.

Now he was in court just a quarter of an hour or so ago, he, there was a bit of a delay while his
legal representation was sorted out, it at first appeared that he was unrepresented. He didn't
stand for the Magistrate, and he was taken down to the cells at the end of his very short hearing
this morning.

But he again refused to stand and it appears that this is going to become a bit of an issue for the
Magistrate Peter Reardon.

Mr Fattal's lawyer explained that he would only stand for God, that he didn't stand for any man,
and as he was being lead down to the cells he asked the court if he could say something and Mr
Fattal then engaged in a speech attacking Australia's involvement in Afghanistan and saying things
like - Israel takes land by force, and also accusing the Australian army of killing innocent

ELEANOR HALL: Now Sam, the allegations here are of course very serious, tell us what security is
like there at the court.

SAM DONOVAN: Well it was very tight today Eleanor, not only did everyone coming into the court
today have to pass through metal detectors and have their bags checked on entering through the
ground floor.

But on getting up to the Melbourne Magistrates Court 11, which is on the fourth floor, people
wanting to go into court had to queue up, had to hand over photo ID, have their bags checked and go
through metal detectors as well, once again.

ELEANOR HALL: And did the men have any supporters there in the court?

SAM DONOVAN: Yes, they certainly did Eleanor, there was a very big group waiting to go into the
court. The hearing was to get underway at about 11 this morning, but it was delayed for quite a
while as just who was going to go into court was sorted out.

There was a group of about 30 family members and friends of the men lining up outside to go into
the court, mainly men, there were about four women among the group as well.

Now lawyers and journalists were allowed into the court first, but then the supporters were told
that only 12 of them would be allowed into the court, and they were told to work out who was to
make up that group of 12 amongst themselves.

But things got rather chaotic as people tried to be among the 12 to go in, I was standing next to
one man who said he was the brother of one of the accused and he was showing his driver's license;
he was eventually among the 12 let in.

But extra protective service officers were called in to help sort things out. I should point out
there was no real pushing or shoving or raised voices, but it was quite an unruly scene there for a

ELEANOR HALL: Sam Donovan at the Melbourne Magistrates Court, thank you.