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PETER CAVE: A former Queensland minister on corruption charges has denied that he asked businessman
Jim Gorman to give him land, or saying that he could help him by "talking to the boss".

Gordon Nuttall has taken the stand in his Brisbane trial to defend 36 charges of receiving secret
payments from two businessmen.

Annie Guest is at the District Court. She joins us now.

Annie, what has Gordon Nuttall had to say in defending these allegations?

ANNIE GUEST: Peter, Nuttall has denied that he asked a businessman for a block in a development on
the Sunshine Coast and denied that during that exchange that he said that he could talk to the
boss.

And interestingly he said to the court, "Well Peter Beattie wasn't my boss anyway. He was my
equal".

Now Nuttall also explained dinners that he organised at Parliament House for two of the men that
are the subject of those payments that he received - Harold Shand and Ken Talbot, saying that his
friends had not seen Parliament and they were interested in seeing it and the historical Strangers'
Dining Room.

He said there was nothing untoward and that it wasn't giving the men exclusive special access to
the mines minister. That was a social introduction and he joined them there to discuss problems
that they had with mining permits. And he also said that when he was approving mining leases in
Cabinet that he didn't know who they were for.

PETER CAVE: What has the prosecution had to say about all that?

ANNIE GUEST: Well the crown prosecutor Ross Martin has been very calm and methodical in his
questioning throughout the week-and-a-half or so of his evidence in chief. But today he got up to
cross-examine Nuttall and his first line was: "$360,000 for absolutely nothing". That's what he put
to Nuttall. And over and over Nuttall said, that's right, or no, yes $360,000 for absolutely
nothing.

And Ross Martin put to him that it, the repayments were on the never-never because he was a Cabinet
minister and it was graft whether or not Nuttall is proved to have done anything for the men. And
Nuttall denied that. He said he may have repaid them after retirement by working in the private
sector and he said to Ross Martin, "You've prevented that".

And at that point the exchange became quite fast between the two men, Ross Martin putting back to
him, "You couldn't afford to carry out this plan".

The plan was that Nuttall wanted to buy his children houses and set them up and that he couldn't
afford it so he went to Jim Gorman and he went to Ken Talbot, the mining magnate, and that he asked
for this money.

Now Ross Martin said, "You couldn't afford it. You thought you had a right to the money and that's
called greed".

PETER CAVE: Was there any discussion in court of Gordon Nuttall's other business dealings?

ANNIE GUEST: Yes. There was extensive discussion of all the issues that have been raised over the
last week-and-a-half and including going on from that discussion at the Sunshine Coast.

Now those men, Jim Gorman, Harold Shand and others eventually back then bought a unit from Nuttall
in 1999 next door to this development.

And Nuttall had been, had got into financial strife and had been told that it was overvalued, the
unit, or that the value didn't come up so his financiers wouldn't help him out, his bank. But he
went and talked to these men about it. Now they eventually bought that unit for him in that year,
1999.

And the prosecution put to Jim Gorman - sorry the prosecution put to Nuttall that it was the same
year that Nuttall helped Shand out, Harold Shand out, in meeting the, having help from the mines,
then-mines minister Tony McGrady over a mining issue.

PETER CAVE: Annie Guest there on the line from the District Court in Brisbane.