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Reporter: Simon Santow

PETER CAVE: Pru Goward was for a long time federal sex discrimination commissioner. She's now a
member of Parliament and the shadow minister for women in New South Wales.

Ms Goward told our reporter Simon Santow it's critical that all of the footballers involved in the
incident should come forward.

PRU GOWARD: It's pleasing to see that he regrets his actions, and that he apologised to the young
woman, and I think his wife's remark that she would not like this to have happened to her daughter
was probably the message that everybody should take away from it.

SIMON SANTOW: And as far as his contrition or sorrows concerned. It didn't seem that he volunteered
the apology to the alleged victim as readily as he did to his family.

PRU GOWARD: It seems really that he's been forced into apologising to her, but look, you know, well
let's not judge. The fact is he finally saw sense in apologising to the victim, and let's hope that
having seen the program, the television program, he now actually has a sense of what it is like for
the victim.

But Matthew Johns is one thing, his actions were voluntary, and their sex was consensual as I
understand it, that was the woman's view. The question is, there were six other men allegedly in
that room, who broke in through the bathroom window, how they came to know that she was going to be
there who knows.

But there were six other men who came in through a bathroom window, did apparently shocking things
to her, three at a time she describes, and those men I think, now need to step up to the plate. We
need to know whether they considered what they were doing was consensual, whether she considers
that what they did was consensual, and I understand she doesn't.

Because if what they did was not consensual, then we're talking about rape. And I think that this
is when the rubber hits the road, and the football codes of this country have to come to their
senses, that these young men are putting themselves at risk of jail terms, if they do not accept
the law and start respecting the legal and human rights of the women they deal with.

SIMON SANTOW: The New Zealand authorities have, they say, interviewed as many as 80 people over the
incident, and they still say that there's no reason to lay any charges.

Is there still a reason though, in your view, for those other participants to come forward, even if
they haven't broken the law?

PRU GOWARD: Well if they haven't broken the law, then they are guilty of consensual group sex, and
if they've brought the name of the game into disrepute and they want to live with that, and if they
want to leave Mr Johns out there on his own, that's their business.

But I think I would encourage the New Zealand authorities to re-examine their investigations, it
does seem to me, highly unlikely that a young woman of 19 who sets out to have sex with two people,
in itself extraordinarily risky behaviour, should then end up consenting to a group of men who have
climbed in through a bathroom window.

Even if, in this case it is finished. Even if it's agreed by everybody that there is no point in
pursuing legal action. The message should be loud and clear to young footballers that they are tiny
snitch away when they commit an offence like this, of prison, because that's what happens to every
other person who rapes somebody in this country, they are sent to prison.

PETER CAVE: The former federal sex discrimination commissioner and current New South Wales shadow
minister for women, Pru Goward. She was speaking to Simon Santow.