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Bikie war to continue, says former top cop -

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Reporter: Michael Vincent

ELEANOR HALL: A former senior policeman says Sydney's bikie war will only stop when the gangs
decide they're losing too much money fighting, rather than selling drugs.

The threats and attacks continued overnight with a suspected bomb left at the house of a Bandidos
gang member.

A Hells Angels member remains under police guard in hospital, recovering from wounds he received in
a shooting the previous night.

But former assistant police commissioner Clive Small says the conflict is only like to be resolved
when the gangs realise how hard it is hitting their organised crime balance sheets.

Michael Vincent has our report.

MICHAEL VINCENT: Police were called to a house in the Sydney suburb of Lakemba last night after an
anonymous tip off about a bomb.

A suspicious package was found next to a detached garage; the bomb squad was called in to deal with
the device.

The home belongs to the head of the Parramatta chapter of the Bandidos, Mostafa Jouayde.

News Limited has reported that he wouldn't leave his home with his wife and child and accused those
responsible for the bomb for being cowards.

He's quoted as saying:

'You want to see me, see me in the street. Say it like a man. Don't bring it to my doorstep. This
is chickens roaming behind my back door.'

It's not the first such device used in what appears to be an escalating conflict between the gangs.

Just last month a bomb exploded at the clubhouse of the Hells Angels in Petersham, damaging the
building and spraying shattered glass 70 metres away.

In October last year, a bomb was exploded under a car belonging to the leader of the Notorious gang
in Lane Cove.

And two years ago, a Nomad's headquarters in Granville was bombed, allegedly by the Comancheros.

Former assistant police commissioner, Clive Small.

CLIVE SMALL: I think the fact that they are even thinking about bombs shows that there is an
escalation in the violence and the retribution and we're likely to see that continuing.

So what we have now is not only an increase in the number of shootings and drive-bys and that, but
we now have, we now have an increased number of shootings and drive-bys, and we now have an added
threat and potential of bombs.

MICHAEL VINCENT: A senior police source has told The World Today the bombs the bikie gangs have
used over the years are pretty basic in nature

He says that they generally use only a small amount of explosives but it's still enough to maim or
kill.

Whether they explode or not, information about the components of each device - from the detonators
to the wiring - is logged and shared with police interstate and overseas.

And if the numbers, sophistication or size of the bombs being used in this gang war increases, that
will be a warning to police of a more serious intent, and may well ramp up the national response to
the current conflict.

And that could include using the skills of Australian police with experience in terror attacks
overseas.

The World Today has also learned from an experienced former bomb disposal technician that the
bikies may well have people who have been trained as qualified blasters from the mining,
agricultural or pyrotechnics industries.

Or that simply, they've learned their trade from other gang members, like the drug cooks do.

He says his greatest concern is that a bomb aimed at a bikie gang member will kill an innocent
bystander.

But former New South Wales assistant police commissioner Clive Small says, whether innocent people
are killed or not, the gangs will only stop fighting for one reason.

CLIVE SMALL: They will start losing money.

The cost of the feud will become great. It will be too big, too much to bear, and they'll need to
start making a profit again to get themselves back on a financial footing.

That's when they're likely to cause a, or call for a break in the war, in effect so they can get
back to business, get themselves financial again, stock up with weapons, and start the war over
again.

MICHAEL VINCENT: There's an economic imperative at stake.

CLIVE SMALL: Absolutely.

I mean, these gangs have to finance their own operations for the longer term, because we need to
bear in mind - these gangs are here for the longer term. They're not just about one individual, and
when that person goes, the gang falls apart.

So they need to fund themselves to set them up for the longer term; that means investment in
legitimate businesses.

But they also need to pay the members of the gang that are committing the crimes for them.

MICHAEL VINCENT: And that involves returning to their business, rather than fighting each other?

CLIVE SMALL: That's right.

I mean, the fact, the fact that while they're out there shooting one another, their businesses are
disrupted in two ways.

One is they're losing members, because they're being killed or wounded in injuries.

Or two is that they're in hiding, because they fear they're next on the list.

Then separate to that, they just can't go around doing business as normal.

Meeting drug dealers, supplying drugs - the whole network is disrupted by these feuds.

MICHAEL VINCENT: How much is the police, or the extra police attention, also stopping their
businesses?

CLIVE SMALL: I think there's two parts to that.

I think the challenge for the police is to forget the political quick-fix, like the governments
want, and say, 'No, we are looking for a genuine law enforcement response that is going to reduce,
or minimise, or solve the problem. We're not, there are no quick fixes to this."'

So they have to be willing to say, 'We're in it for the long term', and do quite comprehensive and
thorough law enforcement operations, undertake law enforcement operations.

And that will take a lot of commitment by them because there will be times when they're going to
have to, if you like, pull the Government into line by saying, 'Hang on, there is no quick fix - we
are there for the long term. And you might be waiting several years for an answer.'

ELEANOR HALL: That's former assistant police commissioner Clive Small ending that report by Michael
Vincent.