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Top cop on drugs charges

Top cop on drugs charges

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:10:00

Reporter: David Mark

ELEANOR HALL: The staff at the New South Wales Crime Commission are in shock and the reputation of
one of the country's top organised crime fighting bodies is on the line because of the arrest last
night of one of the Commission's most senior investigators on serious drug charges.

Mark Standen, who is an Assistant Director of Investigations with the Commission, has been charged
with conspiring to supply a commercial quantity of a prohibited drug and of conspiring to import a
chemical used to manufacture the drug "ice".

The alleged deal would have been worth $120-million.

Mr Standen's arrest was part of a two-year long investigation across four countries which has
already brought down an international crime syndicate.

And this morning, the New South Wales Crime Commissioner acknowledged that the reputation of his
organisation has been damaged.

David Mark has our report.

DAVID MARK: The New South Wales Crime Commission was established 22 years ago with one principal
objective - to reduce the incidence of illegal drug trafficking.

But yesterday one of the Crime Commission's top officers, the 51-year-old Assistant Director, Mark
Standen, was arrested and charged with three counts of drug trafficking, importation and conspiring
to defeat justice.

The maximum penalty for the most serious offence is life.

Phillip Bradley is the New South Wales Crime Commissioner.

PHILLIP BRADLEY: Oh well Mr Standen has a long career in law enforcement and a successful career.
He is a very capable investigator and he has risen on the back of his performance.

DAVID MARK: The arrest of Mark Standen and another Australian was the culmination of two year
world-wide investigation of a drug syndicate based in The Netherlands, where 12 people were

The Australian Federal Police's Deputy Commissioner of Operations, Tony Negus.

TONY NEGUS: The arrest results from an alleged conspiracy to import about 600 kilograms of
precursor chemicals into Australia that could have produced about 480 kilograms of ice worth around
$120-million on the streets of Australia.

DAVID MARK: He says police will allege the two Australians dealt with the Dutch syndicate through a
British man based in Bangkok.

TONY NEGUS: And through a range of different mechanisms there was to be a container of rice
delivered from Pakistan through a range of other countries, landing here in Australia on Anzac Day.

DAVID MARK: Standen was identified by the AFP in May last year as a person of interest.

The expert in police surveillance methods was himself under surveillance since last July, but only
a handful of AFP and Crime Commission staff were in on the operation.

TONY NEGUS: Obviously what we will allege is one of the skills this individual possessed was he
knew police methodology and for our surveillance people and our technical surveillance people to be
able to cover him as they did for over 12 months without being compromised is a tribute to their

DAVID MARK: Is there any indication that he knew that he was being watched?

TONY NEGUS: No, not to my knowledge.

DAVID MARK: Commissioner Bradley says the staff of the Crime Commission were shocked when one of
their most senior investigators was arrested at work.

PHILLIP BRADLEY: The staff themselves, the general staff were not privy to the overall operation as
you would understand. There was only about a dozen people at the Crime Commission who were involved
and the apprehension of the officer was carried out in a way that the staff were not aware of. In
other words it was done, not in the business environment but after that it was necessary to muster
all the staff and inform them of what had happened and I think it is fair to say that they were in
a state of shock.

DAVID MARK: Just how much of a damaging blow is this to the Crime Commission?

PHILLIP BRADLEY: Oh, it is very damaging blow to the Crime Commission. There is no doubt about

DAVID MARK: There are calls for a Royal Commission over this? What do you say to that?

PHILLIP BRADLEY: Oh well this is an isolated incident.

FEMALE REPORTER: Can you guarantee it is an isolated incident?

PHILLIP BRADLEY: At the moment, that is what it appears to be.

DAVID MARK: Standen has worked for the Crime Commission for the past 12 years. Before that he
worked for the AFP for more than a decade. Commissioner Bradley says that Mark Standen was
investigating other crimes while he was under investigation but he doesn't think those
investigations will be jeopardised by Standen's arrest.

PHILLIP BRADLEY: I don't believe so but now that we are in an overt phase of the investigation, we
will be thoroughly investigating all matters around him.

REPORTER 2: Will you be reviewing cases that he dealt with? Are there plans to review cases that he
has dealt with?


REPORTER 2: All of them?

REPORTER 3: How many cases are you going to be reviewing?

PHILLIP BRADLEY: Oh well there are a lot of cases. We will look at the ones that we think that need
to be reviewed jointly with the AFP based on the evidence we have collected over the last ...

REPORTER 3: Have you any idea how many that may be?

PHILLIP BRADLEY: There would be a few. I am aware that there have been some comments from lawyers
around town as you put it but I am not aware of any basis for a retrial on any of those matters.

REPORTER 2: But he was the Chief Investigator in multiple serious matters.

PHILLIP BRADLEY: It depends upon the evidence in each case and you would be aware that evidence is
given by people of all sorts of backgrounds and all sorts of cases and these matters are assessed
by the court and the jury.

DAVID MARK: Outside court Mark Standen's lawyer, Paul King, told reporters he didn't know whether
his client would apply for bail.

Mr King says Standen is receiving special treatment in custody for his own protection.

PAUL KING: Mark is doing his best but as you can imagine, especially for a law enforcement officer,
it is extremely difficult times but he is coping and Corrective Services, I must say, are doing
their best to ensure his safety which I must say I very much appreciate.

ELEANOR HALL: That is Mark Standen's lawyer Paul King, ending David Mark's report. Late this
morning Mark Standen appeared in a Sydney court. He will remain in custody until a bail application
is heard next week.

PM suffers setback in polls

PM suffers setback in polls

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:14:00

Reporter: Lyndal Curtis

ELEANOR HALL: The latest opinion poll has prompted the Coalition to label the Prime Minister as a
phoney, a conman and all froth and bubble.

In fact the party ratings haven't moved at all in the Australian newspaper's Newspoll since last
month. But Kevin Rudd's rating as preferred Prime Minister and his voter satisfaction rating are
both down and that's putting a spring in the Opposition leader's step.

The Government is acknowledging that in the short-term it has got some problems pushing its
legislation through the Parliament but it says it is focusing on the long-term.

In Canberra Chief Political correspondent, Lyndal Curtis reports.

LYNDAL CURTIS: Opinion polls have the capacity to bring both sunshine and gloom in equal measure,
it just depends from which side you look at them.

The Greens leader, Bob Brown, was looking at the sunny side this morning, he didn't even need to be
asked for a comment.

BOB BROWN: 10 per cent in the polls (laughs).

LYNDAL CURTIS: Labor backbenchers were singing from the same hymn sheet when they did their best to
gloss over the gloom.

JASON CLARE: The people of my electorate aren't interested in polls. They expect us from day one to
be working hard on their behalf, to get results from them. Polls go up, polls go down.

DAVID BRADBURY: Look the polls, they'll come, they'll go up, they'll go down. We all know that. We
have been around long enough to see that. We are in this for the long haul.

LYNDAL CURTIS: Opposition MPs chose to play the man, Kevin Rudd and not the ball.

SHARMAN STONE: I think the public is realising that Mr Rudd has been a lot of froth and bubble.

STEPHEN CIOBO: Look I leave it to others to comment on the polls. What is clear though is that the
Australian population is rapidly realising that Kevin Rudd is a conman.

PETER DUTTON: Like Kevin Rudd is certainly funny.

LYNDAL CURTIS: And long time Liberal MP Wilson Tuckey was just perplexing.

WILSON TUCKEY: Well, yes but when you prick a balloon you are bound to get gas aren't you.

LYNDAL CURTIS: The Opposition does believe it is making headway but says the Rudd honeymoon is far
from over. Although the gap between Mr Rudd's satisfaction and dissatisfaction rating is shrinking
- down from 50 to 30 points one source says Mr Rudd's satisfaction needs to fall below 50 - a
further six points from where it is now - for the Coalition to start getting traction.

Government Ministers such as Treasurer Wayne Swan aren't surprised by the hit in the polls after
the messy FuelWatch debate and Cabinet leaks.

WAYNE SWAN: Well, you know we are not about short term popularity. We are about long-term

LYNDAL CURTIS: The Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese is predicting it'll happen again.

ANTHONY ALBANESE: We'll continue to pursue our long-term agenda. Now in the short-term, that might
result in even further hits in the polls but we will do what is right.

LYNDAL CURTIS: As leader of the Government in the Lower House, Mr Albanese is trying to get 22
pieces of legislation through by the end of this week.

The Opposition says the Government isn't allowing proper scrutiny in the House and is considering
which Bills it feels deserve the closer scrutiny a Senate Committee could provide a move which
would delay their passage.

The Opposition leader, Brendan Nelson, has appealed to the Government's sense of democracy.

BRENDAN NELSON: We recognise that there are always some circumstances where the government of the
day will need to hurry legislation through but most of these Bills do not have any sense of urgency
about them and for goodness sake, we live in a democracy. Every man, every woman that comes to this
Parliament, whether Labor, Liberal, National or independent has a right to express a view on behalf
of his or her constituents.

LYNDAL CURTIS: But the Government argues the Bills are urgent and Mr Albanese says the Opposition
only has itself to blame if it is feeling pressured by the legislative timetable.

ANTHONY ALBANESE: This is also an Opposition that has wasted almost 10 hours of Parliament's time
on self-indulgent dissent motions in the Speaker, censure motions in the Prime Minister and whoever
else it disagrees with, which is twice the time that was spent on these procedural issues during
the 2007 election year.

LYNDAL CURTIS: Some of the bills need to be through before the end of June because money for
childcare, hospitals and dental programs amongst others is due to start flowing from the first of

After the end of the July the Senate changes and the Government has to convince the Greens, Family
First and one independent to pass its legislation.

Bob Brown has indicated the Greens want to negotiate, not block.

BOB BROWN: I'd be happy to give the government a double dissolution trigger on nothing. I don't
think we should have a double dissolution and the Greens will be working very hard to make sure
that we improve legislation. We will be using the balance of power responsibly.

LYNDAL CURTIS: All this activity is likely to keep the public servants at work, but if they are
aggrieved after having their concerns about working hard for little result dismissed by the Prime
Minister last week, they will have a place to air their views.

The Special Minister of State, John Faulkner, says questions have been added to a yearly survey of
the state of the public service.

While they were added before the Prime Ministerial edict to work harder, the questions do look at
working hours, leave and flexibility of working arrangements.

ELEANOR HALL: Lyndal Curtis with that report.

Coal the answer to petrol crisis, says industry

Coal the answer to petrol crisis, says industry

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:18:00

Reporter: Jane Cowan

ELEANOR HALL: Some members of the coal industry have a message for the Prime Minster as he
struggles to deal with the problem of soaring petrol prices.

They say that their resource is the forgotten solution to the crisis with the technology now
available to turn coal into diesel fuel.

It's already done in places like South Africa and proponents say it's commercially viable here as
Jane Cowan reports.

JANE COWAN: Allan Blood says Australia is making the petrol crisis harder than it has to be. As the
chairman of the Australian Energy Company he says the key to cheaper fuel is coal and there's
plenty of it.

ALLAN BLOOD: There is no reason why Australia could not be totally self-sufficient as petroleum
needs using coal as a (inaudible).

JANE COWAN: Allan Blood is the man behind a $2-billion project being launched today in Victoria's
Latrobe Valley, to turn brown coal into the fertiliser urea.

He says the same technology could also be used to turn coal into diesel for the transport industry.

ALLAN BLOOD: South Africans have been doing it since 1968 in a firm called Sasol. They have been
making 150,000 barrels a day and historians forget of course, but a lot of the diesel for the
German war effort came from coal as well.

JANE COWAN: This has traditionally been regarded though as a very expensive way to produce diesel
though hasn't it. How viable is it?

ALLAN BLOOD: Look, in the current climate it is extremely viable. We are actually doing a study in
the United States at the moment on a large plant to produce up to 150,000 barrels a day and we know
the numbers very well and believe me that anything around the $60 a barrel mark, this is an
extremely economic process.

JANE COWAN: And Allan Blood says coal could be used to replace petrol sooner than people might

ALLAN BLOOD: Well, within three to four years if buttons got pressed today, you could have a plant
producing any number of barrels of diesel or gasoline today that one wanted.

JANE COWAN: Optimistic perhaps.

But the Executive Director of the National Generators Forum, which represents electricity
generators and, in Victoria, coal miners says using coal to make diesel is realistic.

JOHN BOSHIER: Oh it's very realistic. Australia has a lot of brown coal and it is very realistic.
The cost of course is the issue but it is commonly believed that with oil prices over $100 a
barrel, that it would be commercially viable.

JANE COWAN: The Federal Resources Minister was unavailable to comment.

But a spokesman says Martin Ferguson is very interested in the role coal might play in moves to
insulate Australia from world oil prices.

JANE COWAN: John Boshier, from the National Generators Forum, says the production of transport fuel
hasn't been on the political radar until now but sustained high petrol prices will ensure that

JOHN BOSHIER: The major difficulty for investors is how long will these high prices last and there
seems to be a feeling now in the world that prices could stay high for quite some time so it is
being looked at much more seriously.

JANE COWAN: But Ray Prowse from the Centre for Sustainable Energy Systems at the Australian
National University says using coal to replace petroleum would be a case of same problem, different

RAY PROWSE: We've come across this problem with oil running out. Now all we are going to do in
terms of transferring the emphasis across to coal is to accelerate the rate at which the coal is
used and just transfer the viability from oil through to coal and fairly soon we are going to find
that we are running out of coal in exactly the same way that we are running out of oil at the

JANE COWAN: That's a false argument according to John Boshier from the Generators Forum.

JOHN BOSHIER: If we can make this process work and it works well for 30 years, then that is
actually quite a long time and there is no way in 30 years that the coal resource would be
seriously depleted. There is hundreds and hundreds of years of use of brown coal so I would imagine
that one project could be followed by another, could be followed by another.

JANE COWAN: But John Boshier estimates it will take 10 or 15 years before coal is converted to
diesel on a commercial scale.

JOHN BOSHIER: These projects will take a long time to clear the environmental hurdles. People can
be satisfied they are clean and safe. To get them funded from the banks, to build the projects so I
think you can take it for granted that this is not a quick fix at all.

ELEANOR HALL: John Boshier from the National Generators Forum ending Jane Cowan's report.

Cancer cluster in Adelaide hospital

Cancer cluster in Adelaide hospital

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:22:00

Reporter: Nance Haxton

LEANOR HALL: To Adelaide now where a breast cancer study has found that women who work in one of
the city's major hospitals are contracting the cancer at twice the normal rate.

The cancer cluster is limited to women who work in just one part of the Women's and Children's

But hospital administrators and the state government say it is likely to be just a random

Hospital managers say the preliminary findings will now be verified by international researchers
and they have promised to conduct an environmental audit of the building.

But South Australia's Opposition politicians are calling for the study to be widened.

In Adelaide, Nance Haxton reports.

NANCE HAXTON: Last year a worker raised concerns anonymously about the high incidence of breast
cancer among hospital staff.

That workplace is the Women's and Children's Hospital Queen Victoria Building in inner city

As a result South Australia's Health Department ordered a study last November to investigate
whether there was indeed a cancer cluster at the hospital.

After examining hospital records, cancer expert Professor David Roder found that of 1100 women
who'd worked in the building over a period of eight years, 18 were diagnosed with breast cancer.

Only nine would have been expected for that population and time - which equates to about one more
case a year than normal.

However the Health Department says there's nothing to suggest at this stage that it is anything
more than a random statistical event.

The acting CEO Gail Mondy says staff are understandably concerned for their welfare, and
counselling is now being organised.

GAIL MONDY: The researcher is suggesting it may just simply be a random excess statistically
however we are taking this very seriously. We are concerned. The interesting factor is that there
has been a decrease in the number of incidents of other cancers for the same workforce and age
within that building.

NANCE HAXTON: She says it is not only nursing and medical staff who are affected, but also cleaners
and volunteers.

But she says there is no risk to patients at this stage as it appears the building is not to blame.

The hospital will now do an environmental audit of the building to check if radiation or chemicals
could have been a factor.

GAIL MONDY: Although the statistics suggest to us that the environment, the building is not
concerned, we wanted to take every safety measure we could and we thought that we could do an
environmental audit, independent environmental audit to actually assess the building.

NANCE HAXTON: The ABC abandoned its Brisbane studios in 2006 after a study found a cancer cluster
among newsroom staff.

But Gail Mondy says there are important differences between the two cases, and there are no plans
yet to move staff from the hospital building.

GAIL MONDY: It is different than the cluster in Brisbane. What we found here is that there is a
two-fold increase. In Brisbane there was six-plus increase. Here it is within the normal population
of women that may have breast cancer 50-69 year age group. In Brisbane it was the under-40s and in
Brisbane it was also associated with their long-term, the length of employment whereas here there
are no indicators that that is a factor whatsoever.

NANCE HAXTON: But this reassurance has not eased the fears of all staff.

The Australian Nursing Federation State Secretary Elizabeth Dabars says they are worried about the
pattern of cancer shown in the study.

ELIZABETH DABARS: It is unusual to say the least in terms of this pattern that seems to have

NANCE HAXTON: That concern is backed up by South Australia's Opposition Health spokeswoman Vicki
Chapman who says the study should now be widened to include former staff of the hospital.

VICKI CHAPMAN: Our initial concern was the terms of reference. Notices went up in the hospital if
you have cancer or if you know somebody you are concerned about, just come to some meetings and so

We wanted them to actually approach a number, at least write to former employees which I don't know
that it has happened to say look is this a concern because what was coming to us was people who had
left work, hadn't necessarily disclosed to their work that they had an issue with cancer but it has
subsequently shown up and this is, we already know that the rates double and that is a concern in

NANCE HAXTON: South Australia's Health Minister John Hill says the government will now consider
extending its examination.

JOHN HILL: The other thing that might be possible to do, he looked at the period from 2001 through
to 2008. Now the building has been there for longer than that so maybe we need, and I don't know if
this is possible to do, to go back to 1995 to see if there is a different pattern if you take a
look at a larger slab of time.

ELEANOR HALL: That is South Australia's Health Minister John Hill. That report from Nance Haxton in

Price tag of reversing food crisis

Price tag of reversing food crisis

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:26:00

Reporter: Emily Bourke

ELEANOR HALL: As the United Nations' food summit gets underway in Rome today, world leaders have
been warned about the true scale of the food crisis and what it will cost to turn it around.

Developing countries are being told to revolutionise their agriculture sectors and spend 10 times
more than they do now to address the problem.

The UN's leading food official says food production must double by the year 2050 and that means
tens of billions of dollars worth of investment.

Emily Bourke has our report.

EMILY BOURKE: As delegates from more than 40 countries gather in the Italian capital, the head of
the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation Jacques Diouf has put a price tag on what it will cost
to ease the food crisis.

JACQUES DIOUF: In the short-term we indicated a need for $755-million for food aid. We also
indicated $1.7-billion to assist poor countries farmers get access to seeds, to fertilisers and
animal feed. When we want to address the whole problem of how to double food production by the year
2050 to feed a world population of 6-billion that will reach 9-billion, then we are talking of
investment in the magnitude of $30 to $50-billion a year.

EMILY BOURKE: That's 10 times what the world's poorest countries are currently spending on farming

JACQUES DIOUF: If the world is serious at spending $1,204-billion a year in armament, I think they
would be serious about ensuring that 852-million person who are hungry, get access to food and that
will produce enough food not to have the type of situation we have seen resulted.

EMILY BOURKE: It's hoped the UN's three-day summit in Rome will provide a historic chance to
relaunch the fight against hunger and poverty and boost agricultural production in developing

But activist organisations and NGOs have also gathered in Rome to hold their own parallel
conference, called Terra Preta or "Dark Soil". They are voicing their concerns about the production
of biofuels and the strain on the environment.

ACTIVIST: We don't want to leave it just to them to decide now how to get out of this mess. So it's
very important that the people who are most affected by the food crisis and by the climate change
have a say in how it's affecting them and how they think it should be solved.

ACTIVIST 2: We want to demonstrate how biofuels can directly threaten the lives of over 300 million
people across the world, especially the lives of small farmers and small agricultural production.

EMILY BOURKE: But Lorenzo Cotula from the International Institute for Environment and Development
says there's evidence that biofuel production is benefiting many farming communities.

LORENZO COTULA: What we found is a mixed picture. It much depends on the type of biofuel crop, on
their cropping system, on the business model used for producing biofuels and also very importantly
on the extent to which local land rights are protected by the law and this is the other side of the
story is that while in some cases, biofuels are resulting in people losing out, in some cases there
are very good opportunity for people in rural areas who have been impoverished by decades of lack
of attention really in agriculture and rural areas particularly in poorer countries.

EMILY BOURKE: But with warnings of a humanitarian catastrophe, the aid organisation Oxfam is
appealing for a global action plan that covers emergency food rations, investment in farming and
international trade reform.

Andrew Hewitt is from Oxfam Australia.

ANDREW HEWITT: Get the food aid system properly financed and working in the right way so that it
helps boost agricultural production but reverse long-term trends in a lack of investment in

Development assistance to agriculture has been halved between 1980 and 2005. There has been some
small signs of reversing that trend but there is a lack of investment. There is a lack of
investment by developing country government and we have a world trading system which is directed
biased against the poor so this does give us an opportunity - an opportunity to at last get things

ELEANOR HALL: Oxfam Australia's Andrew Hewett ending Emily Bourke's report.

Hillary hints at end of race

Hillary hints at end of race

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:30:00

Reporter: Kim Landers

ELEANOR HALL: Could the longest Democrat nomination race in US history finally be coming to an end?

There are signs today that Hillary Clinton may be preparing to bring her campaign to a close and
not take the fight against Barack Obama on to the convention floor in August.

The last of the Democratic presidential nomination races will be held tomorrow and even Bill
Clinton has been hinting that today could be his last day on the campaign trail as Washington
Correspondent Kim Landers reports.

KIM LANDERS: The marathon tussle for the Democratic presidential nomination is nearing its finale
with signs that Hillary Clinton is wrapping up her bid to claim that prize.

When the results come in tomorrow from the final two nominating primary contests, Hillary Clinton
will have taken a rare break from the campaign trail.

She'll be spending election night in her home state of New York, rather than in South Dakota or
Montana where people are going to the polls tomorrow.

But on the campaign trail in South Dakota today, Hillary Clinton was giving no sign she's about to
concede defeat.

HILLARY CLINTON: As to who would be the best President number one and number two, who would be the
stronger candidate against John McCain and I believe on both of those questions, I am the person
who should get the support.

KIM LANDERS: Yet even the former First Lady's husband, Bill Clinton, seems to be hinting the end is

BILL CLINTON: I want to say also that this may be the last day I'm ever involved in a campaign of
this kind. I thought I was out of politics until Hillary decided to run but it has been one of the
greatest honours of my life to be able to go around and campaign for her for president.

KIM LANDERS: The Clinton campaign has told its advance staff, the people who organise her highly
choreographed public appearances, to take a few days off or to attend her election night
celebration in New York.

That's being interpreted by some political watchers as a sign that the campaign is wrapping up.

But a senior Clinton advisor Harold Ickes denies there's any political significance to it, saying
because there're no more primaries there's nowhere to send these people.

In Michigan, the Democratic frontrunner Barack Obama was again holding out an olive branch.

BARACK OBAMA: Senator Clinton has run an outstanding race. She is an outstanding public servant and
she and I will be working together in November.

KIM LANDERS: With Hillary Clinton spending election night on home ground in New York, Barack
Obama's choice is also loaded with political significance.

He's chosen to watch the results come in at the same conference centre in St Paul, Minnesota where
the Republican convention will be held in September.

Meanwhile Senator Obama has confirmed that he's asked Hillary Clinton for a meeting on her terms
quote "once the dust settles" from their competition.

He's told reporters that the sooner they can bring the party together, the better, so that
Democrats can focus on Republican rival John McCain and winning back the White House.

This is Kim Landers in Washington for The World Today.

Analyst rules out dream ticket

Analyst rules out dream ticket

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:34:00

Reporter: Eleanor Hall

ELEANOR HALL: And for his perspective on the race for the White House I spoke earlier to our
regular US election commentator, Professor of Politics at Stanford University, Dr Simon Jackman:

So Simon Jackman, is this interminable race finally going to come to an end this week?

SIMON JACKMAN: All the signs are that it may well be coming to an end. The latest news here in the
United States this afternoon our time is that Hillary is expected to make some kind of announcement
in New York tomorrow night after the last two states finally conduct their primaries - Montana and
South Dakota.

ELEANOR HALL: Hillary Clinton is saying that she is not out yet though. I mean she won big in
Puerto Rico, she seems to be pinning her hopes on super delegates changing their minds. Making a
case she has won the popular vote. Is it likely that she will swing any super delegates?

SIMON JACKMAN: I think the super delegates have heard both sides of this argument many, many times
now. It is difficult for me to believe that there are super delegates out there that haven't formed
a view and I think the only issue, frankly, is timing.

ELEANOR HALL: Senator Obama is certainly talking as though he has moved into general election
campaign mode.

SIMON JACKMAN: Absolutely. That has been very distinctly frankly from the Obama campaign in the
last couple of weeks. Increasingly he is talking about the general election fight and referring to
Hillary as a partner in that and less of a primary opponent.

ELEANOR HALL: Now Senator Obama has asked for a meeting with Hillary Clinton. How do you read that?

SIMON JACKMAN: Oh look. I find it difficult to believe that he'll tap her on the shoulder to be the
vice-presidential running mate. I just can't help but think there has just been too much bad blood
between these two campaigns over this heated and prolonged context and frankly, I mean thinking
ahead, suppose Hillary does become the vice-president of the United States, I can't imagine being
Barack Obama and waking up every morning in the White House with Hillary and Bill in the
vice-presidential mansion. Having to sort of manage them.

ELEANOR HALL: Certainly, this has been your consistent line. Last time we talked about the joint
ticket option, you were pouring cold water on it but there is talk that Bill Clinton is lobbying
for that. A lot has changed in this campaign. Isn't it now a possibility?

SIMON JACKMAN: Look, anything is possible. It has been a remarkable year and it would be a very
brave person to rule that right out but there is another school of thought and it says that a -
there has been a lot of bad blood between these two campaigns and b - maybe a black man and a woman
on the ticket is too much of a pill to swallow.

ELEANOR HALL: Too firsts at once, you mean?

SIMON JACKMAN: Yeah, I think that is right and the other thing, Hillary is a polarising figure. Not
only within her own party but frankly all along in what is otherwise a very bad year for
Republicans on paper, perhaps the best thing they could have hoped for - the Republicans that is -
is that Hillary Clinton became the nominee.

I think nothing would have rallied Republicans more than had Hillary Clinton become the nominee.

I think if Barack Obama establishes his place at the top of the ticket and then nominates a figure
like Webb from Virginia who was a Republican. Was Ronald Reagan's, served in Ronald Reagan's
administration. If he nominates someone like that, I think that is a dynamite ticket whereas I
think nominating Hillary Clinton will be a great mobilising tool to help bring Republicans out in
November motivated by their dislike of the Clintons.

ELEANOR HALL: So you are saying that rather than a dream ticket, it could bring all the negatives

SIMON JACKMAN: I tend to think so. There is that side to it. I think this is wishful thinking by
Democrats frankly who wish they could all just kiss and make up and somehow manage these two
dynamite candidates that have been going at it hammers and tongs now for basically 12 months.

You know this is Democrats thinking, wouldn't it be great if we could have both of them and save us
from this awful choice.

ELEANOR HALL: There has been a lot of talk of this long nomination process damaging the Democrats
chances in November, how tight do you think the general election is likely to be?

SIMON JACKMAN: It is very interesting. Right now I think the polls are reflecting this intense
fight that has been going on for a long time now. I think once this thing settles down and the
fundamentals of this election cycle start to reassert themselves, I expect to see a Democrat
advantage start to re-establish itself in the polls.

We've got some data from this project that I am part of showing that there has been some damage. We
are seeing significant numbers of Hillary supporters. People that said they voted for Hillary
Clinton in the primaries saying that there is no way that they could vote for Barack Obama in the
general. Up to 31 per cent of Hillary supporters.

ELEANOR HALL: Gee, that is a high number.

SIMON JACKMAN: That is a very high number and when we first saw that number it really caught our
attention and other polls are showing similar numbers. I suspect that by the time of the convention
which will be nothing short of a coronation of Barack Obama, this will settle down to a more
conventional Democrat versus Republican contest.

In a year in which things are looking very, very grim to the incumbent party, the Republicans,
every day when you go to fill up your car in this country at the moment and I expect in Australia,
you are reminded of just how badly things have gone over the last couple of years.

Gas prices here are just soaring out of control. The economy is in the doldrums. The country is
still mired down in Iraq.

By any reasonable standard, you would have to think that the country is lining up to change
parties, to change the party of the incumbent in the White House.

ELEANOR HALL: That is Dr Simon Jackman, Professor of Politics at Stanford University and our
regular US election commentator.

UN condemns latest Pakistan attack

UN condemns latest Pakistan attack

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:38:00

Reporter: Barney Porter

ELEANOR HALL: A suicide bomb attack on the Danish embassy in Pakistan has killed at least eight
people and reignited the furore over the publishing of cartoons deemed offensive to Muslims.

The car bomb was detonated outside the Danish embassy in Islamabad and the United Nations Security
Council has condemned the attack it as a heinous act of terrorism.

Denmark says it believes the attack was intended to damage the relationship between the two
countries but says it is not clear that there is a link to the Danish cartoons of the Prophet

This report from Barney Porter.

BARNEY PORTER: The blast left a huge crater in the road outside the embassy; wrecked a gate;
destroyed nearby vehicles; and badly damaged the office of a United Nations-funded development

Witnesses described the moment to the BBC.

WITNESS: A lot of people were in commotion. They were shocked. They did not understand what had
happened. A few people holding their hearts because the vibration actually went into your heart and
people were wondering what had happened because nobody knew from which direction it was coming.

WITNESS 2: I felt so much air pressure, it was like a huge air wave which hit me in the back of my
head and I fell between two high speed moving cars and a train and the pressure is so immense at
that time.

BARNEY PORTER: The attack has ended a period of relative calm in Pakistan's capital.

The new government in office for just two months has been pursuing peace deals with militants, a
shift away from the more heavy-handed, US-backed military tactics employed by President Pervez

Pakistani officials have condemned the attack, but indicate they'll keep up the peace talks.

Pakistan's Foreign Secretary is Salman Bashir.

SALMAN BASHIR: The Pakistani nation feels very ashamed today on incidents such as these. They
certainly damage the fair image of our country.

BARNEY PORTER: There's been no claim of responsibility, but many officials are already linking the
attack to the row over the sketches of the Prophet Mohammed which Danish newspapers first published
in 2005.

One of the 11 cartoons featured the prophet's head with a turban that looked like a bomb with a lit

Their publication sparked violent protests across the Muslim world.

At the time, Danish diplomatic offices in Damascus and Beirut were attacked and burnt, and dozens
of people in the Muslim world were killed before the protests tapered off.

Last February, at least 17 Danish newspapers reprinted the cartoons.

Islamabad city official, Iqbal Rana, says the link is clear.

IQBAL RANA (translated): The whole world knows the kind of hatred there is for Denmark, in Pakistan
and also in other countries. They are having protests and I think the terrorist tried to express
this anger by targeting the embassy.

BARNEY PORTER: However, Danish government spokesman, Klaus Holm, says there may be other motives
behind the attack.

KLAUS HOLM: It is actually an attack on Pakistan as well as on Denmark and we will do all we can to
assure that the possible aim of the terrorist, to worsen the relationship between Denmark and
Pakistan, or between the Muslim world and the western world. That they will nto succeed in doing

BARNEY PORTER: Denmark's government has expressed regret for any offence caused by the drawings,
but has refused to apologise for their publication, insisting the Danes enjoy freedom of

The Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen has condemned the latest attack, and reiterated
the government won't change any of its policies particularly in relation to free speech.

ANDERS FOGH RASMUSSEN (Translated): It is a violent, cowardly attack which has cost innocent
people's lives and injured many and in this tragic situation my thoughts, my deepest sympathy go
out to the victims and their relatives.

ELEANOR HALL: That is the Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen ending that report by Barney

HIV report highlights drug deficiency

HIV report highlights drug deficiency

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:42:00

Reporter: Lindy Kerin

ELEANOR HALL: An international report on HIV-AIDS has found that the rate of new infections is
increasing so fast that fewer than one third of the people who need treatment around the world are
getting it.

Nearly 3 million people with the disease are now receiving life saving treatment.

But the report by the World Health Organisation, UN Aids and UNICEF warns that the supply of drugs
is still not meeting demand as Lindy Kerin reports.

LINDY KERIN: The report released in Geneva overnight says significant inroads have been made in
treating HIV over the past three years.

Nearly 3 million people are now receiving anti-retroviral treatment in low and middle-income

That's one million more than the previous year.

But Dr Kevin De Cock the Director of the HIV-AIDS program with the World Health Organisation says
despite the progress, treatment is not keeping pace with the rate of new infections.

KEVIN DE COCK: There are still about 2.5 million people becoming newly infected each year and that
compares with about a million additional people coming onto treatment.

LINDY KERIN: The report found most low and middle-income countries are still far from achieving
universal access to treatment.

It cites weak healthcare systems and a shortage of health professionals as the major obstacles.

Kevin De Cock says HIV-AIDS remains one of the world's greatest challenges.

KEVIN DE COCK: HIV-AIDS remains the leading infectious disease challenge in global health. This is
a formidable disease to deal with as I think all of the research into vaccines for example which
has not gone as well as we would have hoped has shown. This is a very complicated infection.

LINDY KERIN: There are some positive results in the report including improvements in preventing
mother-to-child transmission of HIV.

At the end of last year, nearly 500,000 women had access to anti-retrovirals, that was up from
350,000 in 2006.

Bertil Lindblad is the Director of the New York Office of the UN AIDS program.

BERTIL LINDBLAD: In the last year alone you know, there were an estimated 33 per cent of all HIV
positive pregnant women who could receive anti-retroviral treatment to prevent HIV transmission and
that figure was 10 per cent only in 2004.

However we know that only approximately 12 per cent of pregnant women living with HIV who are
identified during their ante-natal care so to speak were assessed for eligibility to receive
anti-retroviral therapy.

LINDY KERIN: Experts around the globe agree that an HIV vaccine is still many years away.

Professor Tony Cunningham is the Director of the Westmead Millennium Institute and the Australian
Centre for HIV and Hepatitis Virology research.

He says given the failed attempts to develop a vaccine, the roll out of anti-retroviral treatment
has become even more important.

TONY CUNNINGHAM: A recent key vaccine trial conducted by Merck and various public organisations in
the USA called the "STEP Trial" in which people have put a lot of health has failed and it is clear
that vaccines will not be available for a long time. Some people say as long as 20 years.

In addition to that, the microbicide trial with cellulose sulphate using the physical properties of
the candidate has also failed recently and there is a lot of concern about the potential of
microbicides in the future.

LINDY KERIN: The UN general assembly will meet in New York next week to review the progress of HIV

Bertil Lindblad says a record number of 147 countries have submitted reports.

BERTIL LINDBLAD: What we will also discuss next week is that more needs to be done, and the message
to the global community is that AIDS is a long term wave phenomenon that the world has to tackle
for years to come so that is why it is so important to keep the momentum up, and also that AIDS
does require exceptional message, because it's also so much more than a issue.

ELEANOR HALL: That is Bertil Lindblad from the UN Aids Office in New York speaking to Lindy Kerin.

Hate Darwin day called

Hate Darwin day called

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:46:00

Reporter: Eric Tlozek

ELEANOR HALL: There's trouble brewing in the outback town of Alice Springs today.

Residents are planning a day of demonstrations to protest about a lack of funding and support from
the Territory Government in Darwin.

The move has its roots in a long history of separatist sentiment.

But there may be more to it than just a cry for attention as Eric Tlozek reports.

ERIC TLOZEK: Since the Territory was granted self-government, Alice Springs has always retained
something of an independent spirit. In the late 1920s Central Australia was a separate
administrative region, not answerable to the Top End.

Now the Alice Springs Deputy Mayor wants residents to turn their backs on Darwin for one day next

Murray Stewart is something of a character.

He's a blind athlete whose recent council election slogan was: "Share the Vision."

Mr Stewart hopes councils, businesses, even the Government workers who make up a sizeable chunk of
the town's workforce, will ignore all correspondence with the capital.

MURRAY STEWART: I guess you'd call it civil disobedience for the day in relation to dealing with
departmental heads in Darwin, receiving ministerial delegations, any sort of phone calls to and
fro, faxes or emails would be denied on that day.

ERIC TLOZEK: The Territory's Labor Government hasn't made many friends outside Darwin lately. It
might seem strange, but they offended residents in Tennant Creek by deciding not to build a prison

The multi-billion-dollar Darwin Waterfront development is a continuing reminder to many outside the
capital of how much the government is willing to spend close to home.

Former Chief Minister Clare Martin was booed at the Alice Springs sittings of Parliament last year
by a crowd angry about rising crime levels.

Then, earlier this year the Government angered Centralians by choosing a Top End member to be the
new Minister for Central Australia.

That Minister, Rob Knight, says Murray Stewart's protest is a stunt to further his own political

ROB KNIGHT: He needs to put the community before his own political aspirations. He needs to put the
town council before his own political aspirations and start thinking about the future of Alice
Springs, not just trying to get a cheap media plug for his own political aspirations.

ERIC TLOZEK: The previous minister for Central Australia came from Tennant Creek and resigned from
Cabinet in protest at a Top End Shire getting a special exemption from local government reforms.
Murray Stewart expects his support. The very idea of a Labor member going against his Government
has got him rather excited.

MURRAY STEWART: Let's face it. It's not so much from the Labor Party mate, it's from the regions.
We all live in the regions and this is about us and our children's future. I'm sorry, the question?

ERIC TLOZEK: Murray Stewart's idea hasn't impressed the Territory Opposition though. Country
Liberal Party leader Terry Mills says the sentiment is right but the action is wrong.

TERRY MILLS: There needs to be a practical way of driving this message home and there are two. One
is for a concerted letter campaign to this Labor government. Secondly there is a practical
opportunity that comes at the next Territory election where you can symbolically turn your back on
the Labor party through the polling booth.

ERIC TLOZEK: The problem is Alice Springs already backs the CLP. Two of the town's three urban
seats are held by CLP members with strong margins and the third by a former CLP member turned

Terry Mills has his own reasons for not supporting a formal protest. He became leader by deposing
Alice Springs member Jodeen Carney and saying the party could only win an election with a leader
from Darwin.

Maybe it's that attitude that's got people like Murray Stewart so upset.

ELEANOR HALL: Eric Tlozek in Alice Springs.

Bo's Brisbane guitar tours world

Bo's Brisbane guitar tours world

The World Today - Tuesday, 3 June , 2008 12:50:00

Reporter: Donna Field

ELEANOR HALL: Workers at a Brisbane guitar factory are today particularly touched by the death of
one of rock and roll's founding fathers.

The business provided Bo Diddley with one of his signature rectangular guitars in the late 1970s.

The Brisbane guitar became known as the "Mean Machine" and the Mississippi legend took it with him
around the world.

In Brisbane, Donna Field spoke to the guitar's craftsman Chris Kinman.

(Excerpt from a Bo Diddley song "Mona")

CHRIS KINMAN: I was in my factory, a guitar factory, cleaning up one Sunday afternoon and the phone
rang and this voice says "Bo Diddley here". I nearly dropped dead because he had been an icon of
mine, a rhythm and blues icon and had a lot of his records and we used to play a lot of his songs
in a previous band I was in and apparently he had seen one of my guitars when he was in Brisbane
here and he quite liked it.

He liked the look of the timber. I was using New Guinea walnut and it had this thick stream kind of
figure in it. It is very pretty timber and he really liked it and he asked the guitar player where
he got it and got my number and called me up and I went in to his hotel that day and met him and we
worked out - he wanted a guitar built - so we worked out all the details and I went away and spent
the next four or five weeks making this thing.

DONNA FIELD: And it was quite a unique guitar. It became known as the "Mean Machine" I understand.
That is what he had dubbed it. What was so special about it?

CHRIS KINMAN: Well, apart from the shape. I mean there is not many rectangle guitars in the world.
He is probably the only one who plays a rectangle guitar or played. That was his trademark and it
was that particular guitar, he hadn't had a guitar made for maybe 20 or 30 years before that so the
one that he had was well and truly used and he wanted a kind of, more modern instrument I suppose
and he had me put various sound effects devices inside the guitar which had never been done before
- with these particular sound effects anyway and they contributed to his, what we call the Diddley

He had a special kind of sound and he used effects called tremolo and phase shifting to get that

(Excerpt from a Bo Diddley song "Mona")

DONNA FIELD: And what was it like - going back then, meeting someone who was a bit of an idol of

CHRIS KINMAN: Well, you know (laughs). My jaw just about dropped through the floor when I realised
it was him on the phone. I thought it was someone playing a practical joke to start with but he
quickly convinced me that he was the real McCoy and it was the thrill of a lifetime - you know, to
meet him.

He is a big black man who I had never met a black man before let alone a legendary blues singer and
he is a real icon in the rhythm and blues field. He is commonly known as one of the three
grandfathers of rock and roll.

There was Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis. They were the three at the roots of rock and
roll apparently and he was a rhythm and blues legend in his own right and to meet such a legend was
just, well, it was just overwhelming actually.

DONNA FIELD: And what happened with the "Mean Machine"? Did he go on and play it for many years?

CHRIS KINMAN: Yes, I sort of got a bit of feedback over the years. I saw things in magazines,
foreign magazines that found their way to Australia and there was pictures of Bo Diddley playing
and you know, on the European circuit and in England and I recognised the guitar because it was
very distinctive on stage. You couldn't mistake it for anything else.

DONNA FIELD: So Bo Diddley has passed away overnight. What was you last contact with him and what
are your thoughts on his passing?

CHRIS KINMAN: Well, I am very sad personally and my staff here are very sad and wow, I guess it is
the closing of an era. You know, the passing of Bo. The last time I had anything to do with him was
some years ago. Someone had got in contact with me from America and they had set up a guest book on
the internet for his birthday and they invited me to go and sign in the guest book so I realised he
was getting old at that point and I made the comment that I hoped that he was going to be around
for a long time yet and that old guitar players never really die, their strings just go rusty so,
so it has come to pass now.

ELEANOR HALL: Chris Kinman the Brisbane guitar maker who made the "Mean Machine" for Bo Diddley
speaking to Donna Field.