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Live. This morning - honouring

the fallen. ABC News 24 will

bring you Remembrance Day

commemorations from across country. James Murdoch gets a second

grilling over what he knew

about phone hacking at the

'News of the World'. You must

be the first mafia boss in

history who didn't know he was

running a criminal enterprise. Mr Watson, please, I think that's inappropriate. A

call for unity, finally choose a new prime

minister. And Cape Town carnage, Australia dismissed

for its lowest Test score in

more than a century . Good morning, you are watching ABC morning, you

News 24, I'm Andrew News 24, I'm Andrew Geoghegan.

Thanks for joining us. A quick look at the weather:

We'll have the day's top

stories in just a moment but

Remembrance Day sfrss - obviously our focus is on

services happening across services happening across the

kun, tr. We'll bring you live

shots from Melbourne and Sydney

but our main focus will be the

national war memorial in

Canberra and we'll cross those as soon as it gets under

way just around the quarter

past the hour. And we'll cross

back there as soon as back there as soon as it

the day now and James Murdoch begins. To the other

has again told a parliamentary inquiry that he has again told a British

didn't know phone hacking was widespread at 'News of the

World'. It was his second appearance before the committee

and things got heated when one MP compared him with a mafia boss. Europe correspondent Philip Williams Philip Williams reports. This

time without his father Rupert entering hostile territory but just how vitriolic was clearly

a shock to all. Would you agree

with me that this is an accurate

accurate description of News International in the

UK? Absolutely not. I frankly

think that's offence iand I think that's offence iand I

it's not true. Mr Murdoch, you

must be the first mafia boss in

history who didn't know he was

running a criminal

I think that's enterprise. Mr Watson, please,

inappropriate. Tom Watson MP has special cause for

grievance. He was one of 150 or more followed by a private detective celebrities not hacked but

employed by the 'News of the

World' including Mark Lewis the

schoolgirl Milly Dowler's lawyer who represented murdered

family. They've already

received their apology. Now it

was his turn. I totally agree

with you. I wasn't aware of that allegation but if it's the

case as I've said the whole affair is unacceptable. But what of the substance of what of the substance of the

allegations made by Tom Crone,

a former News International

lawyer and the last 'News of the World' editor Colin

Murdoch about the extent of

hacking back in June 2008. So

you think Mr Crone misled

us? It follows that I us? It follows that I did, yes. Do you think Mr Myler Lis ld as well. I think their testimony was misleading. Tom Crone has described James Murdoch's evidence as disin-Jen wis: Woet accounts can't be

right. James Murdoch has a lot

to be sorry for, running a

company which by his own account was out control. The committee now has the difficult task the difficult task of deciding who's telling the truth and who the end of it. There are likely is

criminal prosecutions ahead and

each week we get new revelations.

revelations. Greece finally has

a new prime minister after four

days of intense negotiations. He's former European Central

Bank vice-president Lucas

Papademos. Mr Papademos will

head a new national unity

government until government until elections in

February. He says the Greek

economy faces huge problems and

has called orn all Greeks to unite.

task will be to ratify a new EU bailout

bailout deal agreed to month. The Senate has passed bailout deal agreed to last

the Federal Government's plain the Federal Government's

packaging laws for cigarettes. The legislation

back to the Lower House approve some minor amendments. From December next year company

logos will be banned from cigarette packets. cigarette packets. Imperial

Tobacco says it will br

challenge the new laws in the

High Court. The Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon said the Government

Government is prepared for any

legal action. Look, we are very confident

legal ground. This is a clear

public health measure. It's the next sensible step Australia to be taking. The next sensible step for

World Health World Health Organization

recommends that States consider

taking this step. I don't think taking this

there's going to be any

argument that it will be but of course the tobacco argument that it will be upheld

companies have been extremely

le tidgeous. They're going to challenge the

challenge the legislation anywhere they can and we're

prepared for that. The Federal

Government is also facing a new

advertising campaign against its mining tax. The Association of Mining Companies is running newspaper advertisements for better treatment for advertisements today calling

smaller miners. The campaign is

targeting independent MPs who

are yet to decide whether to support the support the tax. Independent MP

Rob Oakeshott says he won't be

influenced. An Australian

teenage who's accused of buying drugs

drugs in Indonesia

in Bali again today to hear

which sentence prosecutors are

are seeking. The ABC's George

Roberts has been allowed into

the detention centre where the boy's

boy's being held and he filed the immigration detention

centre here in Bali where the 14-year-old boy is being 14-year-old boy is being held. permission to come in here and We've been given special

film but we're not allowed past

this front games

the front of the compound that

looks out over the accommodation area. We're told

that the boy's room is up the back left-hand corner of the

compound there. Most of the 53

detainees here at the centre are asylum seekers and the rest

are being held for immigration violation. Ordinarily young

offenders in Bali would be sent to prison where Schapelle prison where Schapelle Corby and the Bali 9 are being held but the Justice Minister

intervened to send the boy here

because it was considered more

minor. This morning he will again leave the centre here and

dodge media packs and TV

cameras as he makes his way

back to Denpasar District Court

for another hearing this

morning. Prosecutors today will present their demand for a

sentence to the judge. They're

not saying what that sentence

demand is but the chief prosecutor says that he thinks

the boy could spend another month in detention here

in Indonesia. I think he will

spend the time here. Now it's

only month and five days,

month and five days. I think

have to stay another - we make

it another month, it another month, another

month. That might be the

recommendation - that would be

the recommendation? That's not the recommendation, that's what

I think, that's what I

think. But he says think. But he says ultimately its up to the The chief prosecutor's The chief prosecutor's also

criticised the boy's parents saying they should have been

keeping a better eye on their

son. With the control because

the doctors said his son really needs the habits. So he's

addicted to it? Addicted, addicted to it? Addicted, yes,

like that. And the like that. And the parents weren't helping him enough? Yes. The parent promised me and promised the

judge he will look after his son son much more better. In son much more better. In court

this morning the boy's

respond to the prosecution's

sentence demand in a sentence demand in a last

attempt to sway the judge's decision. An coal mine in China has killed

at least 20 workers. Another at least 20 workers. Another 23 remain trapped underground at the mine in the south-west province of Hunan. A gas leak is hampering the rescue

efforts. This is the efforts. This is the latest in

a series of fatal accidents a series of fatal accidents in

coal mines in China. Last year

almost 2,500 people died in

coal mine accidents in the Minister has rejected

speculation that she may step

down over poor handling of the

floods that still threaten

Bangkok. But confusion about

when or if flood water to the

north of the capital will hit

the city remains in the city

centre remains. Zoe Daniel

reports from the Bangsu canal. We've seen so canal. We've seen so many last

Lyons of defence during this flooding and that's obviously

because the water continues to

move closer and closer to the city. Here we're well and truly in

in Bangkok. What is of outer, inner and the

heart of Bangkok I don't know

but we're very close to the

city here. And this is the

latest last line of

the canal. As you can see, there's extensive pumping of

water going on here as the authorities try and put the

water into the canal to prevent it from flooding it from flooding the

communities around here and

also moving into also moving into Bangkok en masse. There's been talk here that some pumps have failed, so perhaps they're pump as much water as they

would like but it's clear just

how full this canal is and if

it overflows then Bangkok city

from here in will be at risk.

When you move just slightly to

the north of that canal, the north of that canal, you

can see just how big a task

this is. There's still this is. There's still this

massive volume of water massive volume of water sitting to the north of the

metropolitan area, as much as where we are still right where we are still right now is

very metropolitan but I guess

city the closer it gets so to

the so-called heart of Bangkok.

What the authorities are trying

to do is pump this water into

that canal so they can move it in some sort in some sort of orderly fashion around and through the city and

that's what they've been trying

to do for the last few week.

You would think that the longer

we're involved in this crisis

the clearer the picture would

become about how much water is

coming and exactly where it's going

going to go and whether going to go and whether some

parts of Bangkok may in fact parts of Bangkok may in fact be quarantined from flooding but

the opinion still extremely

conflicting. Even today

of the movement of this water,

one that the city may be clear

of water within 11 days, the

other that it could take up to 3 months for this water

actually move around Bangkok to the sea. Regardless, I think

it's obvious when you look at

how much water is still sitting

to the north and you realise that that still has to pass

this massive metropolis, this is a huge logistical task. Well

Australia has been bowled out

for its 4th lowest tefs cricket but the result

against South Africa remains in

the balance. 23 wickets fell in

a bizarre at the end of the day of cricket in scape town. After Australia Australia had been dismissed

for 294. The Proteas were

rolled for 96. But rolled for 96. But then

Australia made just 47 in reply

after being at one stage 9/21.

Shane Watson took 5/17 in South

Africa's first innings before

Vernon Philander bettered that

with 9/15. Every single one of

us as a top 7 batter needs to take responsibility for that performance. That's no where near good enough nor is it

acceptable. We weren't

acceptable. We weren't good

enough today with the bat. I

thought we did a great job with

the ball to re - restrict

Africa to 96. That innings was

disgraceful. It's a scratch your backside off and try to

find a way to get to 150 or 200 like

like we did in the first

ination and then we're in a position we can't unfortunately that's not the

case and unfortunately that's not the

case and the only positive side

was we've got a 160-run lead at

the moment that if we bowl rel

tomorrow I think will be enough. We're moments the enough. We're moments away from the start of Remembrance Day commemorations at the national war

war memorial in Canberra and

joining me in the studio for the service is war historian and documentary maker Will

Davies. Thanks for some - coming in. Thank

coming in. Thank you. Remind us of the significance of

Remembrance Day? Well, here it was at a very, very terrible war, something like the casualties

and they're disputed a bit but the casualties from the First World War

20 million wounded and 17

million killed. Now that's allies and, you know, the

enemy. But it's a lot of people and,

and, you know, for Britain,

well all countries, but for

Britain it decimate ed their

manhood as it did with

Australia. I mean I think we were the highest proportion or

so it goes, the highest number

of casualties per head of

population in that war and the

significance of it struck every home and every village and

every town and every city and I think at the end of

think at the end of that First

World War they really World War they really thought they must have a commemorative

day that was unlike anything

they had before. And of they had before. And of course

Australia was still engaged in

theatres of war presently,

certainly in Afghanistan and

we've seen the recent deaths there. still strike that chord today,

particularly given our service

overseas at the moment? I

overseas at the moment? I think

it does. I mean, you it does. I mean, you know,

we've got to remember that Anzac Day really eclipses for

us Remembrance Day. It's our

big day and - but I think

certainly the presence of

Australians overseas in

Afghanistan and Iraq brings it

home to us that commemoration

and the loss of those boys, you know, commemoration is still something that's important to us. I mean you us. I mean you mentioned Anzac Day, obviously Day, obviously that's really

the day of national

significance for Australians. Does Remembrance Day then - is it sort of cast in that it sort of cast in that shadow?

Obviously means a lot to those in the British Empire, the old

British Empire, perhaps to a lesser degree for Australians and New Zealanders because we

have Anzac Day? It does. I mean

we don't have a

we don't have a public holiday

like they do in other places.

You know, it's a big day You know, it's a big day in

America, it's a big day in France and Belgium. But for us,

I guess, it's second to Anzac

Day and the rememberance for

Anzac Day, the dawn

the parades in the street and the recollections of those

days, I think that's going to

be more important. It's

probably a more important day Anzac Day than even Australia

Day now. So it does pail a bit

in insignificance and sadly a

lot of people wouldn't know

it's on today. When you say a

lot of people it's on, you mean the younger generation? I'm talking about

everyone, you know. Sadly everyone, you know. Sadly it's

not one of those things that

people do take the time to people do take the time to stop

at 11:00, spend a I'll -

I'll - silence and reflection

and consider our war dead,

right up to those Australians

that died within the last few

weeks. Can you just talk us

through then, I know you mentioned this at the beginning

but in terms of but in terms of the

significance of the actual

significance of the actual date and the time, it's the and the time, it's the 11th

hour of the 11th day of the 11th guess a lot of people have

significance this year because

it's also the 11th year of the century. That's right, well I

mean the First World mean the First World War had a

long closing period. It started

to really - the turn around for

the Germans was in the August

attack of August 1918 and it attack of August 1918 and it was a bit downhill from there.

So in the period between August

and November a number of the

enemy countries capitulated,

Turkey, and as they pulled out

of the war the discussions, the peace peace negotiations continued between the allies and the

Germans and it really was

perhaps more by accident than

choice that the 11th month, choice that the 11th month, the 11/11, 11 November came up and

it seemed nicely appropriate

that it was 11am. But that it was 11am. But it was

also a day of a lot of killing,

you know. There Baz - was a

day and a lot of men died

within minutes or hours of that

final ceasefire. Just remind us

what World War I, how it came

about and where it left the

world. I gather between 9 and

13 million people died in the

conflict s that right? No, more

than that. There was something

like about 15 million died, I think. Of those 10 million

would have been combatants, 7 million would have

civilians. We're just going to

break in there because we do now have

now have live pictures from

Canberra. Let's just go to that

and listen in. Became the focus

of national attention in

Australia. On that day remains of an unknown

Australian soldier exhumed from the First World War the First World War military

cemetery in France was

ceremonially intombed in full military honours here in the

Hall of Memory at the Australian War Memorial.

Rememberance Day ceremonies

were conducted simultaneously

in towns and cities all the country culminating at the

moment of burial at 11am in a revival of the 2-minutes

silence. That ceremony touched nation and reaffirmed a chord across the Australian

Remembrance Day as a

significant day of commemoration. Ladies and

gentlemen, the memorial would

like to acknowledge those who

are joining on the dias are joining on the dias today, Mr Andrew Barr, representing

the Chief Minister of the

Australian capital Territory.

Ms Gai Brottman representing

the Speaker of the House of

Stephen Parry, representing the

President of the Senate. Justice

Justice William Gumall acting

Chief Justice of the High Court

of Australia. Senator Michael Ronaldson representing the Leader of the Opposition. The

Leader of the Opposition. The Honourable Warren Snowden the

Minister for Veterans Affairs.

General David Hurley, Chief of

the Defence Force, Mr Duncan Lewis, Secretary of the

Department of Defence. Mr Ian Campbell, Secretary of the

Department of Veterans Affairs.

Vice admiral ray Griggs Chief of of Navy. Major General John

Calligary. Neil heart, acting

Chief of Air Force and rear

admiral Ken Doolan National

President of the Returns Services League of Australia. We also acknowledge the We also acknowledge the many representatives of the

diplomatic corps joining us

here this morning, we welcome

you all. We're very delighted

to acknowledge the presence

today of Corporal Mark Donaldson VC and Air Chief

Marshall Angus Houston retired chair of the Anzac centenary advisory board. We're also

delighted to acknowledge that the ceremony will commence,

ladies and gentlemen w the triservice guard of triservice guard of honour mounted by federation guard and marching

on to the parade ground

accompanied by the band of the Royal Military College Royal Military College of


(Band music in kis distance)

You are watching the ceremony

under way commemorating

Remembrance Day, this live from

Canberra and the war memorial

and with me in the studio is

Will Davies, a war historian

and documentary maker and we've

just been speaking about the significance of this day which

in conjunction with Anzac Day

marks the service that

Australia's military veterans

have made for this have made for this country, the sacrifices they've made for

this country. How many

Australians have died for Australia? I think there's over

100,000 now. It's a lot of men

if you put them - fill up the

Sydney Olympic stadium, it's a

stadium full of people. It's a

lot of people. We had nearly 60,000 in the First World War and I'm unsure, about 39,000 and I'm unsure, about 39,000 in the Second World War but of

course Vietnam and Korea

those minor wars. It's about

100,000 now. Please give them a warm welcome, ladies and


And of course the service has

particular pointiancy this year with the latest

Afghanistan. Yes, that death toll has just gone up and up and when you find men being

killed by friends it's a very - it must be a very daunting and

difficult time for those men.

It's a bad war, it's a bit like

Vietnam, those nasty guerrilla

wars where everyone and everything's an enemy, you

know. It's not like the First

World War or the Second World

War where you knew your enemy.

This is a different sort of

frightening war. Is that a mark of modern with those wars fought in the

last century? It is. I mean

here for the First World here for the First World War you've got, you know, battalion

attacks, you've got huge

numbers, you've got brigade

attacks, you've knot hundreds and hundreds of men going into

battle. Today it's a war of specialists, special forces,

technology, where the role of

the infantry men is much different to those (Band plays)

You're watching live pictures

from Canberra and the war memorial. As under way to commemorate

Remembrance Day. ('Advance Australia

Australia Fair' plays)

Please be seated, ladies and

gentlemen. Well the guard and

the band are now in the band are now in position and we await the arrival of the

Honourable Julia Gillard, the

Prime Minister of Australia. The Prime Minister will The Prime Minister will be received I will the acting chairman of the Council of

chairman of the Council of the Australian War Memorial and Australian War Memorial and the memorial's director. So while we wait

Prime Minister to arrive we Prime Minister to arrive we can see her car coming through

there now. I'm speaking with

Will Davies, the

Will Davies, the war his

torian. Just talk about the war

memorial where this is being held. What does it mean to those who have served for Australia? It's an extraordinary thing the

memorial. It was an idea of

Charles Bean who, as a young

boy, had been taken to

and he saw in a case, I imagine

a sort of a glass

a sort of a glass cabinet,

relics of Waterloo and it

always intrigued him the relic

s and the detritus of war and

when he became the effectively the correspondent for Australian army he said we

should have a place for the

memorial, we should have a collection and he put in place actually a collect ing company

and they were actively scrounging the battlefields for

items for that upcoming

collection and that's why the

war memorial today is so well -

is full of just amazing stuff.

For those people who haven't

visited the war me noirl what would they find there? Well,

there's probably three things.

There's the obvious, the

collection in the war memorial, which is the focus of most

people's visits. The second

thing is the wall of

rememberance, the name of every

Australian soldier that's died

in war is on the wall of memory and now since and now since the reinternment

of the unknown soldier there's

a place of reflection for a place of reflection for an

Australian soldier taking to the battlefields. Remembrance. Place of

Julia Gillard has now taken

her place and we are awaiting

the arrival of the Governor-General, Quentin

Bryce. We're talking to Will

Davies, the war historian. As

we - the crowd there now

prepares for the arrival of Quentin Bryce.

Ladies and gentlemen, their event cease, Quentin Bryce,

government general of the Commonwealth of Australia and Mr Michael Bryce.

Mr Michael Bryce. APPLAUSE Will Davies, while we're waiting to see if we can

get pictures of Quentin Bryce

arriving, of course, November

11th at 11 am, most people

would be aware that one

minute's silence observed at

that time. You can perhaps