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Welcome to 7:30 NT. I'm Louisa Rebgetz. The Qantas Louisa Rebgetz. The

chief executive has offered a passionate defence of his

airline, his conduct and his own record. Alan Joyce faced a grounding of the airline. The questions about last weekend's

CEO says it was his only

choice. Hayden Cooper reports

running from Canberra. I am not

running away from this. I am

absolutely here talking about

the decision I have made, why

I've made the decision, why I feel passionate about decision I've made: And I'm feel passionate about the

happy to defend that and happy to defend that and talk

about that under any anywhere because it was the right call. You have a lot of

explaining to do as to why you're a rogue employer.

Pretty angry. Yeah, pretty

angry. At Parliament House,

but Joyce yois is a hero to some

but a villain to many others.

a day of So today was always going to be

this is one of the a day of reckoning. Because

calls that have been made by this is one of the biggest

corporate Australia to actually

destroy parts of the economy to get your obscure and devious about the

fact that you were aiming at lockout. Sorry, Senator, I think that is think that is absolutely inappropriate to say. We inappropriate to say. We were

very clear on our approach all

the way. You're a bit like

Richard Nixon at the moment.

You just talking trying to talk

your way out of this. Don't do

it, please. You're a bit like a McCarthy trial. For all the

attacks thrown at him, this is

a CEO determined to give as

good as he gets. Alan Joyce is

unmoved by the criticism of his

actions last weekend. He told

choice. That was the last taskforce he had no other his inquiz for -

resort and it will always be the last re sort. Grounding an

airline like squaz squaz a huge

decision and it's a decision

done because we had else to go. And the committee done because we had nowhere

learned it was a move Mr Joyce made on his own. Approval of the Qantas board came

later. The decision was a board endorsement. It was my decision. You made a decision on your own Yes. Using your discretion. Yes. Using your

delegated authority? Yes. So

for a momentous decision to

ground the entire fleet. Yep. To stand down

27,000 employees that was all

on your head? That was my decision, absolutely. When Ngo know? The Qantas grounding

lit up the Parliament all week. And even today the argument

persists over whether persists over whether the Government should have read warning signs from the Government should have read the

chief before last Saturday. He warning signs from the airline

certainly never mentioned to

any of the Ministers in our government that he was

contemplating an extreme action

of locking out the whole of the Qantas work force. The problem

here is that excruciatingly embarrassed here is that the Government is

about the fact that it could have stopped this. So what did

Alan Joyce have to say about

who was told what, when? At no stage did I talk to anybody about lockout. I talked about

the grounding of the fleet. I'm

talking about the grounding of

the airline. As a possibility.

We didn't talk to anybody on either side of politics about a

lockout. You deceived them by

not saying you were aiming at a

lockout. I don't agree with not saying you were aiming at a

that. On Saturday afternoon? The Government did

not ask for extra time or for

you to delay the course of

action that you had indicated? Nobody asked for

any extra time but nor was it

suggested by me, in

fairness. Alan Joyce did not

have to do what he did on Saturday. This was reckless decision, but a decision that had been well planned. Who

believes in fairy tales that woke up Saturday morning believes in fairy tales that he

woke up Saturday morning and

just had a brain snap, a brain

snap that cost this country the ut Schutdown of its

airline? The CEO does have one regretted - Qantas kept selling

tickets for 3.5 hours after the grounding was announced. Senator, there was a mistake because again mistake because again it shows

you that even with all done a lot of planning, we did planning we had done and we had

miss this one. Fate can

intervene at the strangest times. As the committee ground intervene at the strangest of

on, a Qantas A380 en route to

London was diverted safely to

Dubai. Pilots had shut down an

engineer during to an oil

pressure problem: For the Flying Kangaroo, there's turbulence in the air and trouble on the ground. Hayden Cooper

reporting. It's a problem

that's been around for generations. Many indigenous children in remote Northern Territory communities can't hear properly because of middle

ear infections. It means they

miss out on crucial education

which can affect the rest of their lives. Now researchers

vaccines in the hope of are trialing a combination of

preventing ear disease. Alison

Middleton reports. Just put

down that you liked it. These high school studentses on the Tiwi Islands north of Darwin

are in the middle of an English lesson. Do you like the

pictures or the story? Like

indigenous students communities across the

Territory, many will battle

just to hear what their teacher

is saying. Most of the kids

impairment, whether that might would have a degree of hearing

be an infection, or a blockage, or perforation. So the

majority of the kids that you're teaching have you're teaching have some

difficulty with Nair hearing. For decades, Aboriginal

children have suffered some of children have suffered some

the highest rates of didle ear

disease in the world. The

indecks is called otitis media. Bacteria causes fluid up in the ear, making it

difficult to hear. Ear difficult to hear. Ear disease is very mump a disease of poverty. It's a very common

disease and most children in

the Western world have some

degree of ear disease. But indigenous children have a indigenous children have a far

greater degree of hearing

loss. It's a long standing problem that we have been siege over generations. There have been many studies done on school children and I have identified that 50% of identified that 50% of those children could children could have ear disease and hearing problems. The

condition is treated with antibiotics and sometimes surgery. But until the infection clears, children miss out on vital education. There's

been an estimation that indigenous children in the

Territory spend over two Territory spend over two years of their childhood with disease and some related

hearing loss. Whereas the

equivalent period for

non-indigenous children is

three months. Hearing is very

important for speech and

language development and

learning. And if you have a

hearing loss from early on in

life, then that impacts on your

learning, your education and your employ

have trialed innovative ways to

overcome student' hearing problems, including radio

receiver, myo phones and class

room childhood hearing loss can have implications that stretch

through to adulthood. Most of the Territory's the Territory's indigenous prisoners have hearing problems. Over 90% of

indigenous inmates in Darwin and Alice Springs are and Alice Springs are having

some degree of hearing loss. So it very much points to those school based behaviour problems continuing and leading to involvement with the police and the criminal justice system. Three years

ago, Tiwi Island student Jack was having trouble hearing at

school. He was one of thousands

of children who had ears s checked in health screens as part of the Federal Government's intervention in the Northern Territory. Jack

was pin pointed for surgery. Hear ing was surgery. Hear ing was a problem for him. Wouldn't

listen to the teachers properly. Didn't properly. Didn't listen properly to no good. Yeah. Couldn't hear. Three years on, the

operation has been a resounding success. The ears are success. The ears are alright now on

I can hear them on the footy

ground and give them the

footy. The ability to hear has

changed Jack's life and he now

has plans for a job in

construction. I am going to get

a good job. Maybe like building houses. That's what my dream about our children - to get motivated, educated

and when they leave school, you know, find know, find better job. The

intervention may have wound back, but the Northern Territory Health Department says ear checks and surgery are ongoing. With 750 operations carried out over the past 3.5

years. Good boy, look, look,

look there's a rocket. Hearing

booths like this one have been set up in 19

to check young children's

earring s. We - ears. We now

can test children under the age

of three years which was a

challenge for news the past. If our focus is going to be on the early years and we are looking

at doing some good surveillance and constant examination of and constant examination of the

ears and we want some good out

comes for these children when

they're ready to go to school age. You hear on the news and

newspapers about the number of indigenous children not going

to school, not presenting to school. If we're able to find

're able to manage it and treat it and protected the hearing,

then we should be able to then we should be able to bring

a lot more the numbers of the

kids attending school up

higher. Good morning. How are you? On the Tiwi Islands,

researchers are looking at a different solution to ear

disease that start s with disease that start s with the

very young. The Menzieing

school of health research is

trialing a combination of two vaccines in use in the Territory. We're just going to

give the little one his vaccination. They hope

vaccination. They hope to protect children against a broader range of bacteria that cause ear disease. Avoiding need for long courses of anti-

biotics. Over the next two

years, 400 babies from remote

communities will be communities will be inoculated - inok laetd. This trial - inok laetd. This trial is looking at finding the best pneumococcal vaccines for Northern Territory babies. We

are also look at the question of of whether Starting the schedule of vaccines earlier can prevent the ear disease in

the babies. The implications

are enormous if we can prevent

ear disease from starting early

and if we can pre ent ventd it

from getting to ta stage of that eardrum perforation. That that eardrum perforation. That

would be a real - thing for us after all these years of research. Researchers

emphasise that this vaccine

isn't a magic bullet. On its

own, it won't eliminate ear

disease. But on the Tiwi Islands there's hope that the combine ocean after science and

better hygiene and housing mean

s hearing loss will eventually

be a thing of the past. An indigenous children indigenous children across the Territory will reach their full

potential. There's no reason

why one of these kids can't be the Prime Minister of Australia

one day. But we need to get an education to be able to that. It's a very good that. It's a very good time,

it's an exciting time. And it's an exciting time. And I hope that we will be able to make some hearing of Aboriginal hearing of Aboriginal children

and they have opportunities in

their life like their peers do.

Alison Middleton with that report.

has the highest rate of suicide

in Australia. And suicide

amongst young Aboriginal men is a

a big problem. A parliamentary inquiry into youth suicide has

been sitting in Darwin this

week. I spoke with the chair of the inquiry, Marion Scrymgour, earlier today. earlier today. Marion Scrymgour, welcome to the program. Thank you, Louise. Your committee about suicide in the Northern

Territory this week. And

particularly youth suicide which is four times the national average here in the

Northern Territory. That is a shocking statistic, it? It is a shocking statistic and we've got to stop avoiding or say that it's not an issue

and I think that the Parliament

recognise that we do have a problem in the Northern Territory. The committee that's been established is been established is completely bipartisan. We have heard

evidence over the last two s from various providers both

in the as government sector. Is suicide a disproportionately largest sector bould you say in

indigenous communities? Look,

when you break down the statistics and the numbers that

we have, when you look at per

person per capita in terms of

indigenous they are

high. They're three times the

national average in terms of non-indigenous suicides. But if

you look at the Northern

Territory as a whole, there Territory as a whole, there is also an alarming emerging crisis within the

non-indigenous sector and so we

can't just say it's an

indigenous issue. I any we have to look at it, that youth across the board, that we've got to get the resources. But look at what those gaps in

the services both in the non-government but also

government sector and are government sector and are we and do we have adequate

resources to be able to deal

with this critical mass that's happening? Who is most at

risk What is the most at risk

category would you say? Young

men are particularly vulnerable. The numbers are

critically high in terms of

yurng indigenous people - -

young indigenous men: There was

common theme that across both

of these indigenous and

non-indigenous young men not

So there is a real disconnect being able to

for young men. We need to look

at how do we get them

reconnected again? How do we

get them to feel good about

themselves diso so they can

that, you know, that the talk to someone and don't feel

that, you know, that the only

way out is to end their life. The some cases we're talking about life. The evidence indicates in

children as young as 10 and 11 years old. Yeah, look, and we're seeing some startling

numbers in terms of young

people. I remember certainly a

young person at 11 and

first time in a long time as a

member and I'd worked in the

health sector for a long time before I came into Parliament: Leaving that

community and going home and sitting down and just absolute

ly crying, Louise, and asking

myself what have we got to and

how can a young person at this

age - where have we got to in

life when a young person at that age can take their life? You can't fail not to be

out by that emotion. It is an hit by that

issue and it's something that I

think as members of Parliament we've all agreed that this is beyond politics. We've got to

not play politics. It's like

the child protection issue. These are our kids and

they're our future and we need

to look at what do we do together to try and make it

better and to put in place better systems, better processes

processes that so that Committee we can stop these 10,

11 year olds from feeling

to dobut to go down this

road. Are we any closer at

pin-pointing the causes of

suicide in these places? I

drugs if we look at that older think and certainly alcohol and

area, but one of the things and

I had a discussion when we were

asking some questions of Dr Rob

prark Parker who has done a lot

of research in this area both

in Tiwi but also in other areas

in the Northern Territory., I think we've got lot layers upon

layers of that constant

grieving. I think we've probably got huge levels of

post-traumatic stress, depression disord disorders that are out there. And people

not being able to talk to people or people or access those

services. That become s

particularly a major issue and

the more remoteness and remote

areas that we get within

communities. Have you found what you've heard over the few days distressing? People what you've heard over the past

often ask do you get to a point where it fails to prize you?

No, it doesn't. If these deaths

fail to surprise you or you feel that you're immune to it,

I think it's time to give it away. Whilst those deaths are

distressing and whilst you can

still feel the emotions of all of that, I think of that, I think it's important

to continue to look at it and

to push that services that we

do get better services on the

ground, not just in our urban

centres but particularly in our

remote communities where we

seeing still high levels of

youth suicide and we've got to

put in place systems so we can

start to see those levels

reduced. In the early stages of recommendations that you see the inquiry, is there any

already that could be made to

stop suicide? We should be

looking at emotional and social well being programs in schools and In our schools there are and working with young people.

captive audience. They're there

every day. And we should every day. And we should be looking at how do we utilise

schools as a means of building

people in that that resilience of those young

institution. Scrymgour institution. Scrymgour scrip,

thanks for talking with

us. Thank you, Louisa. And anyone wanting support can contact Lifeline on 131 114. Not in my backyard - that is Not in

how most Territorians feel

about mining but just how many stop rights do residents have to

stop a mine from going ahead on

their land? It's an area the

Government says is about to get

a whole lot clearer when the introduction of new

legislation. Lucy McNally

reports. GP Michael fonder

has lived on his property for six years. The outback sanctuary is ideal for bush

walking and bird watching and

he believes it's worthy of endanger protection. There's some

endanger and threatened -

threatened and rare animals an

plant species such as the

Gordan finch that have been

seen here. A rare lily as well,

nar bal ek, wallabies in the

mountains around here. In 2009,

Dr Fonda learned that a

territory company wanted to

explore for uranium in his

his neighbours weren't happy, area, known as silkwood: He and

and decided and decided to apply to the Department of Resources for their land to be made subject

to what's called a reservation

order, to protect it from

mining: When you buy a free ownership of the minerals. So essentially what these land

owners are doing is to ask the Territory to forego its

ownership rights of

minerals. The mining industry ownership rights of those

will tell teleyou THE most

important issue for them is

access for exploration to finds out what's

out what's there. The

application for a reservation

order or RO as they're known in

the mining business was

supported by 35 3 4 of the 38

land holders at silkwood . I

statistic being nearly 90% of found that was an incredible

the people and only four people

didn't sign up to this. And of

those 34 people, about

people were or are in the mining industry. If they're

successful, it will be the

have won an RO. Most first time ordinary land owners

have have been gazetted for

Government planning purposes

Alice Springs and Darwin. The like the rail corridor between

new city planned to be built

south of Palmerston is another

example. The majority of reservations of occupation reservations of occupation ROs

in the Territory put down with

respect to land in a town and essentially it stops a miner

application for a from being able to make an

in your back yard. You can use them on other

most prominent recent example Baz the Angela and Pamela

uranium deposit in Alice

Springs was the subject of Springs was the subject of an RO for h years. An RO over the Angela Pamela site, 23km south

of Alice Springs was gazetted

by the goftd 1990. That wasn't

to be preserve the environment

but to lock up the rich deposit of uranium there until the market improved. The market did

pick up a couple of years ago being exploration activity sparctd angry protest in Alice

Springs. It's an unprecedented case, Angela Pamma. You have never seen

before where a mining company

goes in and exploefrs country

so close to an established town. The other mining

communities are established for

that mine. Isabelle Kirkbride

is one of 300 people lobbying

against the Angela Pamela

plien. She's concerned about environmental impacts. It's

right on top of right on top of the Alice Springs town water basin. So

it's a huge risk to our water

resource which keeps us alive

here in the desert. The

Henderson Government recognised

those concerns last year when

it ruled out a uranium mine at

Angela Pamela. Tourist don't

want to come uranium mine. Now environmentalists want the Government to issue a completely different sort of

reservation order. We would be

asking for the area of Pamela to be protected under

the special land preserve

section of the minerals spielt

act. Part of that is relinquish

ing the exploration

licence. Jimmy Cock k is

referring to the new referring to the new minerals titles act introduced last year. That created year. That created two categories of reserved land. One which allows exploration with restrictions and another

known as special reserved that rules out rules out any activity. The special reserved land is

essentially land where it's not

possible to undertake mining

unless the reservation is lifted. In general reserve

lands, it's possible for the Minister to determine Minister to determine that some mining can take place under limited conditions. The

Government says the new Government says the new laws will strengthen environmental protections, but even land

deemed special reserved will

not be untouchable. The

Minister can still revoke it.

Jimmy Cocking says it will be better than the current better than the current regime

because the Government because the Government must

consult before it revokes a special

special status order. If a Minister did

re-16 from occupation status re-16 from occupation status or special reserve land status for

this area, they would have this area, they would have a fight on their hands. The

Government says reservation Ord kersz s will be used to protect an environment ally an environment ally sensitive

ser ya. Which is what just Dr

Fonda considers his land near

Adelaide River to be. We're got

very clean water: Just around the corner from Australia is the catchment for the Warra eye dam area which is something

that's been talked about for

the last 30 or 40 the last 30 or 40 years, which

may be the next dam to supply Darwin with its water. But after two years

after two years of waiting, Michael Fonda is losing hope in

the process. It makes one feel

that it's not really within our

grasp to get reserve land in

areas such as where we are.

Lucy McNally with that

storive. Darwin is celebrate

Agfest Val with a true Top Agfest Val with a true Top End theme. The Fridge Festival celebrating everything from fridge, enkies and keeping cool

in the - eskies and keeping

cool in the build-up. We take a

look at some of the weird and wonderful fridges on display.

Something sent an email to

some of the people at Darwin

community arts and instead of Fringe test Val they wrote

Fridge Festival. And they Fridge Festival. And they said Fridge Festival, let's run Fridge Festival, let's run with

it, not say it's a typo. It's so hot at the moment. I so hot at the moment. I think

it's really nice to have a festival that celebrates being cool.

weather takes over everything

so much here, especially in the

build-up, so eskies and fridges

and keeping cool is an

important part of our You just tell artists and tell

the poets do something to do

with fridges and then all this

amazing artwork has come out of

it. I thought we could have

some sand and then you know how let's bits of white foam - I've

been painting fridges with the

kids. So we talk about what

idea we would like to use a as

a theme and one of these - this being the nature around knight cliff cliff and in inside there's a

save. So we've made animals

that go inside the cave. I

like working with kids because

their imagination is their imagination is just so huge. There's no boundaries.

You just say - they go off on

these tan gents that adults

would think that is not

logical. But they're so

enthusiastic that they will just - they take art on board

and they just love it. It's people have actually made. Last

year, one of the things that I loved about last year's festival was this car festival was this car that one

made out of a fridge. V. And

the same artist this year the same artist this year has

made a plane and that's if anyone is going through anyone is going through the airports in the airports in the next couple of

weeks you will see it. It means

you have 100,000 people

stepping off a plane and the

first thing they see when they

come to Darwin is a fridge

clam! It started small but as it went on it's snow balled.

Pretty much everyone I've talked to says they want to be

involved. Now we've got seven

schools and universities

involved. We had kids out in

the huge finale here at the

waterfront on the waterfront on the 12th. It's

just keeping growing. And

that's the program for this week, have a great

see you next week.

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