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Todd Langley was not just a

soldier he was also a family

man. A Sydney-based soldier

becomes our 28th digger to

die in Afghanistan. Key

Independent MPs get on board

the plan ed carbon tax ahead

of Sunday's announcement. And coming up shortly on

agenda agenda, the

government's stone walls

questions on the carbon tax

in Parliament until Sunday's announcement.

Welcome to News Day this

Tuesday, 5 July I am Gemma

Veness also this hour, more

breathing space for bore ores

as interest rates are left on

hold again for July. In

sport - a sneaky Blues training session back fires

on the eve of the Origin decider. And the Sky News weather:

This is News Day.

Australia is mourning the

death of another soldier in

Afghanistan bringing to 28

the number of diggers killed

in the war. Sergeant Todd

Langley a raid the commando

from Sydney died on the battle field in southern

Afghanistan during his 5th

deployment to the country. On

just his second day in the

job the task every defence

chief dreads. It is with

great sadness that I'm here

this morning to advise you an

Australian soldier was killed

in Afghanistan. Sugt Todd

Langley from Sydney was part

of a special operations task

group clearing out an area in southern Afghanistan when

insurgents attacked. The

35-year-old from the Sydney

based second commando

regiment sustained a gunshot

wound to the head and despite

emergency first aid treatment

from a medical officer he

died on the battle field from

his wounds. It was Sergeant

Langley's fifth tour of duty

in Afghanistan in all around

three years worth of high

intensity combat he also served twice in East Timor

along the way picking up two

come endations for

distinguished service and a unit citation for

gallantry. He was a -- he was a brave and professional

soldier who never took a

backward step and despite

their grief his comrades stay

he will continue to inspire

them. That loss of experience

is not just a short term

tragedy, it's a long term

blow to the Commanderos and

to our capability -- During the same battle another

Australian soldier was shot

he was air-lifted to Tarin

Kowt and is now recovering in

Kandahar in a serious but

stable condition. This brings

to 28 the number of

Australians killed so far in

the war in Afghanistan. Seven

of them this year alone.

Australia has the third

largest contingent of special

forces in Afghanistan perhaps

in greater danger now than

ever before. The government is adamant it's worth

it. This is important work to

give us the space and time to

train the Afghan National

Army and to ensure that the

people of Afghanistan are in

a position to take over

responsibility for security

of their nation. As the US

prepares to pull out 33,000

troops by the end of next

year, Australia insists

progress is still being made.

That progress in a security

sense has been reflected by

the very early signs of

efforts for political

reconciliation or political

settlement. The carbon tax

is a step closer to passing

key Independent MP Tony through the Parliament with

Windsor saying he intend s to

support it the full details

of the package will be

announced on Sunday, a move

the Coalition claims is aimed

at avoiding scrutiny. Tony

Abbott is demanding to know

if the fuel used by these

trucks will be slugged by the

carbon tax. Now he won't have

long to find out. What you

will see on Sunday is the

complete set of arrangements

for a pricing carbon. After months of negotiations between the multi-party climate change committee the

long-awaited details of the

carbon tax are almost ready

to be unveiled. Hasn't been

easy for people, they have

actually come up with a consensus and I think people

will be quite happy with it. But the Coalition can't

see the point of waiting

until Sunday. Given the

details of the carbon tax

have been decided will she

bring forward her carbon tax

announcement to today so that

this Parliament can fully

scrutinise the biggest

strauktral change in our economic history --

structural change in our

economic history? There

will be no lack of execute

any in this package. I will

be out -- scrutiny of this

package. I will be out day

after day taking every question from every

Australian family who wants

to ask me. But even before

the Parliamentary debate

beginning in earnest the

opposition has made up its mind. When it comes to cost

of living this will be Sunday

Bloody Sunday. The Prime

Minister said there wouldn't

be a carbon tax. She said it

wouldn't hurt you but it

will, she says trust me, but

you know you can't. This is

just comb pleatly completely ridiculous. What we are

seeing from Mr Abbott is his

attempts to run an outrageous

scare campaign. Scare

campaign or not, the

Coalition's attempts to

pressure Rob Oakeshott and

Tony Windsor to vote against

the tax in Parliament appear

to have failed. With Tony

Windsor confirming for the

first time today that he

intends to back the tax on

the floor of Parliament. If

the legislation reflects the

agreement I'll support it.

It's about the future and

it's about the future of

people who aren't even here

important to have been part now and I think it's

of that. Tony Windsor and Rob

Oakeshott, we are disgusted

in you. We are absolutely disgusted. You have done this

to us and you will be held responsible. After the carbon

tax details are released on

Sunday the government will start drafting legislation

which it will put to the

Parliament later this year.

With Adam Bandt Rob Oakeshott

and Tony Windsor all likely to support Labor all eyes

will now be on Andrew Wilkie

to see if he will provide the government the one extra vote

it needs for the tax to go through the Parliament.

Sky News will have unrivalled coverage on Sunday

when the Gillard government

finally makes public its car

ban package. We will have

live coverage from Canberra

from 6 a.m. eastern then at

8.30 a special edition of Australian agenda with Peter van Onselen live from

Parliament W of we will take you live to the Prime

Minister's news conference at

12.15 to hear exactly what

the carbon tax will cost you

then commentary and analysis

throughout the afternoon all

the decision makers all the

industry experts, that's carbon Sunday on Sky News national and Sky News

Business. A Western

Australian farmer says he

will start culling 3,000 head of cattle tomorrow because of

the ban on live cattle

exports. Joining me now Sky

News Perth reporter Adam

Harvey are the details.

Grazers and pastoralists in

Australia's north have been

warning for several weeks now

farmers will have to start

culling their animals and

probably before the wet

season begin s towards the

end of the year. No-one

expected it to happen this

soon really but we have had

this announcement today from

the owner of a property near

Halls Creek called Moola

Boola saying from tomorrow

3,000 head of cattle will be

shot. This is because he says

it is just too expensive to

keep them there, too

expensive to feed them, to

keep them on the pasture.

They will be damaging the

pasture for other animals

next year. So the easiest

thing is to kill them. Joe Ludwig has responded with

some alarm in the Senate

today say ing there is lots of assistance available for

farmers this is a last resort

and people shouldn't hasten

to take actions like this.

But the grazer s and

pastoralists up in Australia's north say this

will be the first of many culls on some of the big properties in the north

because there is simply no market for Australian cattle

which are strand ed up on

properties. We have some

350,000 animals that normally

go to Indonesia, tens of

thousands of those animals

they say will have to be killed. Also in the Kimberley

police have arrested

protesters near Broome, can

you tell us what's happening

there? That's right. This is

a lot further to the west

from Halls Creek. This is a

protest at point point which

is where the -- James Price

Point which is where the

resources company Woodside

want to build a gas

processing facility.

Traditional landowners have

voted in favour of the

facility after the promise of $1.5 billion in aid to be

spent over 30 years but there

is a split amongst

traditional owners and some

environments as well have

joined them and blocking work

on the project for the past

three weeks. The Premier warned time was up for them and today at dawn police

moved in. They have arrested 11 people so far, more

arrests are expected because those protesters are still on

the road. There is about 70 people up there at the

moment. Thanks for the

update. There have been no reports of injury or damage

from an earthquake New

Zealand measuring 6.5. It was

30 km west of Taupo. The

quake was a sizeable one it

was very deep. Some 150 km.

Areas of Melbourne have

also been shaken by a 4.4

magnitude earthquake. The

tremor was felt from the city

to Roville in the east but

there have been no reports of

damage. The epicentre of the

quake was at Korumburra in

the state's Gippsland region

it is the same area where two

tremors of a similar strength

were centred back in 2009. There is more breathing space

for borrowers this month with the Reserve Bank leaving

interest rates on hold for

July. The official cash rate

remains at 4.75% for the 8th

straight month, poor retail

figures and a fall in building approvals in May

weighed on the RBA's decision. The Reserve Bank

says CPI over the next 12

months looks to be on target,

and the global economy

continues to expand. To sport

and plans for a secret train

ing run for NSW have

backfired speckly with media inadvertent ly crashing the

session, the Blues made a

last minute call to move the

training session from Suncorp

Stadium to Ballymore but

little did they know the Reds

had organised a media

conference with captain James

Horwell at the same time.

The Reds are over there.

The Reds are over there. We

didn't know it was a closed

session. I am warning you

it's probably best if you

turn them off. We will get

people mere blocking

you. Secret stuff. We will

take a look at tomorrow's weather for you now:

PM Agenda is just moments

away. Here is David Speers in

Canberra. Thank you. After

the break on PM Agenda the

government has now finalised its agreement on the carbon

tax, it's not announcing the

details as we know until

Sunday, and in Parliament

this afternoon many

opposition questions about

the details were met with a

simple response wait a few

more days. We are all waiting

a few more days. What can we

expect? Stay with us after the break.

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This is PM Agenda.

Welcome to the program -

in case you missed it the

full details of the carbon

tax will be finally unveiled

on Sunday. The government,

the Greens and Independents

have reached agreement in

their multi-party committee

talks, but the Prime Minister

wants to wait until Sunday to

announce the outcome. That's of course after Parliament

has risen for the long winter break. In the meantime questions from the opposition

as we saw in Parliament this

afternoon will be meeting

this sort of response.

Further details about carbon

pricing, they will be

available in coming days and

to the nation on Sunday. The

government made it very clear

last night that we will be

announcing on Sunday all of

the detail of our plans to

reduce carbon pollution. The

government of course will be

announcing on Sunday our

carbon price arrangements and

these will cut pollution and

they will drive investment in

clean energy and at the same

time they will provide strong

support for households and

jobs. As I have already said

on I think two occasions

today and yesterday that we

will be providing further

detail and that further

detail will be provided on

Sunday. We have made that

abundantly clear. Mr Speaker,

we have seen this scare

campaign that's been running

for months now. But on Sunday most of this scare campaign

will go up in smoke. I have

waited more than two years

for a question from the

shadow minister. And I say to

him, he can wait five more

sleeps for an answer! As we

all can. Sunday will be the

day that all the details are

finally released, until then

we still have two more

Question Times when more

questions will no doubt be

posed about the impact on

petrol, on various industries

and even today on landscape

gardeners as well. This of

course is just the start of

the process even after the

details are out there expect very detailed questions from the opposition over the weeks

and months ahead as it tries

to poke holes in this

agreement and trip up the

government. When Sunday

finally does arrive

journalists here in

Parliament House will be put

into a budget style lock-up

where we will be given details before the announcement just after midday. The Prime Minister

will then be going on the

hard sell and in fact that

night she is planning a

nationally televised address,

even though some of the commercial networks aren't

too keen to interrupt their

prime-time schedules. All

Tony Abbott really wants

though is a chance to

scrutinise the details in the Parliament. Yes, Parliament will get plenty of

opportunity over the months a head to do just that. There

will be a Senate enquiry,

plenty of Question Times to

come, but today Tony Abbott was challenging the Prime

Minister to bring back

Parliament next week even

though it of course is due to be in the winter recess.

Rather than seek free air

time next Sunday, will the

Prime Minister recall the Parliament next week, recall the Parliament next week so

that she and her ministers

can give the answers that the forgotten families of

Australia are demanding right

now? Prime Minister? Thank

you very much Mr Speaker, I

will be out next week talking

to Australian families

directly. And so will other members of the government

front benchers and

backbenchers, all of them and

their staff are offered a

briefing today not only the

full details of the carbon

tax, but Greg Combet and Treasurer Wayne Swan briefed

them on the key points, on

the process here, arming them with the information they are

going to need to go out and

hit the hustings and they

will all have to be careful

not to trip up because it will only take one member of the government to make a blunder to give the

opposition more ammunition.

In the meantime Tony Abbott

clearly wasn't satisfied with

the answers he got this afternoon in Question Time at

the end of the hour and a

half he did once again try to

censure the government. Mr

Speaker, Standing Orders must

be suspend ed because this is

the biggest structural change

in our economic history and

it should not be foisted upon

our people, rushed through

this Parliament without this

Prime Minister give ing a

much better account of

herself than has so far been

managed. But perhaps something that has been lost

in this argument about the

timing of the announcement

and whether it should be

brought forward a few days or

not, is the fact that a deal

has been done. And for a

while there this was looking

doubtful. But Labor, the

Greens and the Independents ,

at least Tony Windsor and Rob

Oakeshott who are part of the

multi-party committee, have

found common ground despite

their quite significant

differences over how much compensation industry should

receive, in particular the

coal fired power generators

and coal miners, particularly

the gassy coal mines, whether

petrol should be in or out,

what the starting price

should be for the carbon tax,

what the emissions trajectory

should be to cut overall

carbon emissions, they have

now done a deal and this is

quite a significant moment

for the government. In fact

as Tony Windsor told reporters here in Canberra

today as long as the

legislation mirrors the deal

that's been done behind

closed doors his vote is

assured. Hasn't been easy for people, they have actually

come up with a consensus and I think people will be quite

happy with it. If the legislation reflects the agreement I'll support it.

And the other Independent

member of that multi-party

committee Rob Oakeshott has a similar position. He spoke a

little earlier today to Sky

News political reporter

Ashleigh Gillon. Rob Oakeshott are you happy with the package you have helped

to come up with on the

multi-party climate change

committee? I think everyone

came from different

backgrounds at the start of

these negotiations about four

or five months ago and from

my perspective very happy to

walk out of the room with

largely what I was trying to

get out of this agreement.

The most important part of

that is agreement between

particularly the Labor Party and Greens and a couple of

the Independents on the

crossbench. And so this has got a good chance of now getting through the

Parliament I think but I need to emphasise the announcement

on Sunday will very much be

the start of the

Parliamentary process not the

end. Essentially this

committee has been making some recommendations to go

through the Parliamentary

process and so we shouldn't

get ahead of ourselves and

think that the trophy is

going to be held above

everyone's heads on Sunday.

We need to do what the 42nd Parliament couldn't do three

times and now go into a full

and frank debate and a pretty heated debate in the Parliament over the next

three or four months and it's

at the end of that process I

think we can all look each

other in the eyes, shake

hands and say "Well

done". Before we get further into that Parliamentary process, just looking at the

deal you have come up with,

are there still final details

to be nutted out in the next

few days or are you pretty

much done, it's ready to go?

? I think it is fair to say

it is pretty much done. It is

fine-tuning and making sure

it is as good action what it

can be and in what is a much

anticipated Budget-style

lock-up on Sunday. So every

journalist in Canberra is

going to be locked up Sunday and going through all the

fine details so we are trying

to make it as good as it can

be and that is part of the

reason why we need to

emphasise the point that if

there is places to value-add

either from the media or

other members of Parliament

or from the community that's

where the journey starts in

that regard. And hopefully we

can get some value-add to

make it an even better

package than the one we have

already got. If it's pretty much done then why couldn't

you announce it now. The

Coalition is saying the

government is trying to avoid scrutiny by waiting until

Sunday, not putting it into

the Parliament today so you

can have a few days to debate

in the Parliament. It will be

a full and frank debate in

the Parliament. There are

realities around the

Australian public service,

things such as printing and

treasury. I respect that

process and have the whole

way through and will be looking forward to a full

frank and importantly factual debate once Sunday comes

around. If the legislation

the government puts forward

reflect the announcement you

see on Sunday you be

supporting the carbon tax in

the Parliament? It's not a

carbon tax and I have said

that consistently all the way through. I haven't brought

into that debate other than

to say I think that was

actually a mistake of the

Prime Minister to give that

space up. This is an emissions trading scheme that

we are implementing and that

is what I have argued for since turning up in

Parliament in 2008. All my

meet the candidates nights

leading into the 2010

electionle issue came up and I stared my community in the

eye and said I support for

strategy and efficient

reasons for Australia's benefit an emissions trading scheme now we are at the point where I have tried to

do what I can to get it up.

It's over to the Parliament

now to hopefully do that and

yes, I will be supporting

this package, I think it's

the right move for

Australia. Tony Windsor this

morning also said that

considering that the

legislation and if it does reflect this package it does get to the Parliament he too

will be supporting it. Add in

Adam Bandt to this who has also been involved in the

process so this leaves Andrew

Wilkie all eye also be on him

and which way his vote will

go. Have you got any inkling

on that. Are you expecting

this package will be passed through the Parliament successfully? Look I think

that's why we need to respect

life after Sunday. And make

sure that every member of

Parliament is respected, all

225 of us, seven members of

Parliament have sat around a

table and really tried to nut

something out that is in the

national interest and it is a

serious and complex reform.

It is now over to the Parliamentary processes and

people like Andrew Wilkie are

important but every member of

pallet is important in that

-- Parliament is important in

that process including the opposition and Leader of the

Opposition I would hope they

weigh this package up on its merits in Australia's

interests, not just someone's

short term political interests. The opposition has

made it very clear where they

stand, barn by Joyce says he

is disgusted by your choice

ta back the tax. He says you

will -- to back the tax. He

says you are letting down

rural and regimal voters. Do

you think voters in your electorate would

overwhelmingly say you have

made the right choice? We

will wait and see. All this

debate leading into Sunday is exactly, fear and loathing and it's a void of

information and that's where

fear and loetsing runs rife

and that's Barnaby's

speciality I guess. The

Independent MP Rob Oakeshott talking earlier to Gill Gill

it certainly has been a void

of -- to Ashleigh Gillon it

certainly has been an void of information. One MP who has

not been part of the process,

the multi-party talks but

whose vote will be crucial is

Andrew Wilkie. I spoke to him

earlier in the day and he

said he is in principle

supportive of putting a price

on carbon. He wants to get a

few guarantees from the

government though that people

on low income s will be

properly compensated but the high emission trade exposed

industries in particular the

zinc works that's in his

electorate are properly

compensated as well and that also Tasmania's potential to

become a hub for renewable

energy is achieved. In other

words that all the money that

is spent on renewables

doesn't necessarily go

offshore or that carbon

offsets aren't made offshore, that Tasmania can benefit

from this process as well. He

as we go to air is in a

meeting with the Prime

Minister. Whether he's

getting further details on it

today or will do so later in

the week we are not sure. But

clearly the Prime Minister

will be keen to keep him up

to speed and make sure he is

on side, his vote as we say

will be critical in seeing this get through the

Parliament. After the break,

we will be joined by two

journalists here in Canberra,

Phil cornery from the 'Sydney

Morning Herald' and Dennis Shanahan from 'The

Australian' for a look at this debate which does seem to be drawing to the detail.

Welcome back. Before we

get to the panel let's check

in on the latest news

headlines with Gemma.

The 28th Australian

soldier killed in Afghanistan

has been named as 35-year-old Sergeant Sergeant Todd

Langley. Sydney based digger

was shot in the head during a

battle with insurgents, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has

paid tribute to Sergeant

Langley say ing he was a

decorated soldier and a

dedicated family man. Key

Independent MP Tony Windsor

has thrown his support behind the government's planned

carbon tax saying he intends

to vote for it in the Parliament. Details of the

tax including the initial

carbon price will be released by the government on Sunday.

The opposition is demanding

to know if fuel used by truck

drivers will be slugged by

the carbon tax. The owners

of a WA cattle station say

they are being forced to cull

3,000 cattle in the wake of

the ban on live exports to

Indonesia. Moola Boola

station near Halls Creek in

the Kimberley says it will

start shooting the animals

tomorrow. Senator Joe Ludwig

says he is investigating what

assistance is available to

the cattle state government.

New Zealand's north island

has been struck by a 5.3

earthquake the tremor hit 30

km west of the town Taupo

however there are no reports

of damage or injury. Parts of eastern Melbourne have also

been rattled by a 4.4

earthquake today, the

epicentre was at Korumburra

in Victoria's Gippsland

region. Another reprieve for

borrowers today after the Reserve Bank left interest

rates on hold for July, the

official cash rate remains at

4.75% for the 8th straight.

Weak economic data weighed on

the RBA's decision with

retail sales and building

approves coming in below

expectations for May. In

sport Blues Origin IIII squad

still remains a mystery. NSW

coach Ricky Stuart says the

players know what the final

17 is but he is yet to decide

when he will reveal the final selection. In the meantime

the Maroons are bunkered down

in cool um ahead of tomorrow

night's big match. Taking a

look at the national weather forecast:

Thank you. Let's bring in

our panel joining me in

Canberra koor koor for the

'Sydney Morning Herald' it

Phil Coorey from 'Sydney Morning Herald' and Dennis

Shannahan. Today was frustrate anything Question

Time. Every question on the

detail on the carbon tax was

met with "Wait till Sunday".

Given they have done a deal

should the government be

announcing it now or waiting

until Sunday? I suppose that

there are some details that

need to be tied up no doubt

there will be things have to

be ticked off but it is

significant, they have got a

deal and this is what Julia

Gillard wanted at this level,

at the multi-party committee level she has got an agreement and you would

think, well, why not just get

it out there. We are all

hungry to see the details we

shouldn't lose sight of that fact. An agreement has been

struck and it did at times

look shaky between the Greens

and Laborer. I never doubted

it was going to get there. I

don't think any of the party

s could afford not to reach a

deal. It is fascinating to

see how they bridged some of the divides on coal

compensation. I think the

coal has got 1.5 bill. I will

be surprised if it hasn't.... That's a big bill

for the Greens to

swallow. But they have

obviously been given

something, this bigger

renewable energy fund we have

all speculated about. It's a bit of give and take. The

Greens will probably walk

away on a net basis probably

with less they would have got

had they signed up last time

except they are not bound by

a target which is the big

difference, the reason they didn't want to sign up last

time. You get the feeling the

industry compensation and so

forth will be more generous

than last time. They say they

didn't vote for the CPRS

because it is too weak, we

are backing this? I think

that I wouldn't be too

surprised to see the coal

industry actually gets less.

I think there has to be something there for the

Greens to be able to say we

didn't sign up last time. The

other thing that is kwr is the money coming from --

where is the money coming

from for coal? The Greens

don't want to be seen to be

raising a tax, a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme

that actually provides money

to the big polluters. And so

this is made may form a

little bit of a financial

difficultdy for the

government. Draw the money

from elsewhere in the budget?

Yes, or change programs and

shift money between the

programs as they were

existing previously. Is it a

one-off spend to do something

like, I don't know shut down

a coal fired power plant, I

guess you could do that? That's correct. And

that's one of the keys at the

moment is the closure of the

dirtiest stations. If they

transfer to gas, it's a

higher cost to run you have

an ongoing cost there. That's where we will look at what is

going to be a very

complicated electricity

generation deal. Very complicated. In the meantime

this opposition tactic which

we saw Labor deploy during

the GST debate will go right

to the detail. Today there

were questions about landscape gardeners and what

is the petrol powered

chainsaw, we are going to get

plenty of this over the next

few months. Next year. The

opposition this week is

exploiting a window between a

deal being dung and

announcement and the

government is hamstrung it

actually can't tell you any

more because it wants to hold

it all for Sunday so the

opposition is making mischief as it is fully

entitled to do. It's a

painful couple of days

ahead. We have got to sit it

and bear it. Albanese says it

is only five more sleeps.

When Gillard first announced

process bear in mind she said

the multi-party committee

will sit until October. They

have brought it forward by

three months, quite

significant. If we have to

wait five more days before we

see it bear in mind we could have been going for another

three months, Wasn't the legislation due in

October? No the committee was going to meet until October

that was the announcement and

there would possibly be announcement in the end of

the year to be passed next

year. They truncated the

entire thing. Some in Labor

would have liked it truncated

more. I spoke to one of them

today who says it has gone

far too long. It has been

fast-tracked if you like and

God spare us everyone will

know on Sunday where everyone

stands an the government will

actually have some fighting

points it can rally around

in. The Coalition... That's

where the political fight

begins. We have had the

policy fight, the policy

bargain between the Greens

and Independents now we are

actually going to have to

have and Julia Gillard sort

of made these points in the

party room today, there is

going to be many, many months

to come of political fighting

and she can't do it on her

own, she needs all the

backbenchers out there. This

means all of them have to be

up to speed on the file

detail because if you get one

backbencher tripping up on

detail that will give the

Coalition a lot of ammunition. Peter Costello said the implementation

period of the GST took two

years out of his life and

scarred him politically. Now

I think that's the period we

are facing now until the

middle of next year, implementation probably won't

even help because every cost

will still be sheeted home by

the Coalition as it was with

the GST whether it's a GST or carbon tax or not they will

blame it. The government is

obviously keen to get the

details of the compensation

out there as well and shift

the debate on to what they

are doing cutting taxes increasing the pension

handing out more to families

that will throw a bit more pressure back on to the

opposition. It will, the

government will be able to

actually start arguing from a

fixed base, they should be

able to say no this is how

much you will get. Have

something to defend. It has

had nothing to defend other

than a con. The point there

is too that Tony Abbott's

direct action plan and we

have yet to see how much of

the government scheme is

direct action that is giving money directly to the kol

uters which is what the

Greens don't -- pop uters

which is what the Greens

don't want to do and as Greg

Combet was saying in Perth

today but the issue for -- in

Parliament today but the

issue for Tony Abbott is

people will start looking as

his alternative scheme. He

can't go all the way through

with just an alternative of

"I will repeal it". He has to

have something else. So he

will not have the nuance of

the argument closer to the

election? Of course he will

because business will be

looking and saying well,

okay, we have now got it,

it's in, and will he be able

to repeal it from the Senate?

Does he have to go to a double dissolution? This is

all things we are looking at

if he wins the election and three years down the track.

It's going to be much more

difficult for him I think as

time goes on and he is going

to have to have an alternative. The business

reaction to this is going to

be very important. Yeah. I

think it will be predictable.

Those who already hate it

will hate it even more and

some sitting on the fence

will see which way they fall.

Industry group and the

business council are

cautiously supportive, but

one thing when all the

numbers are out will also

allow proponents and opopents

alike to commission more

modelling to forecast

devastating impacts on the

industries and so forth. One

big difference with the GST

is we will not see the

legislative fight,

essentially that's already

been had. They can put this bill through Parliament in two weeks if they want. There

is an agreement for the Independents, Greens and

Labor the numbers are there

the Parliamentary process has

been done in reverse so they can whack it through really

quick with an enquiry to

satisfy I think Bob Brown

said you have to have some

sort of enquiry maybe to pick

up a few rough edges

but... They won't have that

spectre the negotiation phase

that Howard had to go through

with first Harradine and then

the Democrat, that

awkwardness will be removed

from the process. But

unlikely they cut short the

Parliamently process. They

will have an enquiry. So

much time behind closed doors nutting this out they have

got to have... But they will

not let it drag on for months. Their interests to

bring it forward as far as

they can and I think it will

be much further advanced than

was originally in vesaged. It

is - by Christmas you assume

through the

House. Afghanistan second

day in the job for the new

defence force chief David

Hurley and they had to announce this morning the sad

death of the 28th Australian

soldier to fall in

Afghanistan, Sergeant Todd

Langley a commando killed in

a fire fight with the

Taliban. Does this put more

pressure on the Afghanistan

question? One Coalition

member privately today was

saying that it was a growing

number of MPs what want to

get out of there. It's the

fate of involvement in all

wars that there are

casualties and as the

casualties mount the pressure

mounts to come out. Now of

course we have got the US

with President Obama, 10,000

extra withdrawals than the military wanted, he's obviously accelerating it,

they are now talking to the

Taliban. This changes the

equation and the appearance,

it's no longer the simple

invasion it was which had

bipartisan support. It still

has bipartisan support but

you have sensed a growing

confusion and concern within

the public and of course

every sad death adds to

that. And Julia Gillard was

adamant today that progress

is being made there. So she is not shifting on

this. That's the line all the

leaders use until they will

say otherwise. So you on the

ground over there and in the little district where they

operate we are making

progress. Are they over all

in Afghanistan it is doubtful. You assume once the

foreign troops leave the

joint it will go back to some

sort of feudal system it

always will be, Whatever the

US does we will decide what

we do. Yes, we won't be there

after them you assume and

it's sad and each death does

bring in further doubt and I

think more so since they

killed bin Laden. We will

talk more about this with

Neil James from the defence

association after the break

thank you for joining us this

afternoon. It is five more

sleeps? Yes. We can't wait. Stay with us after the break.

Welcome back. As we were

discussing earlier Australia

has lost its 28th soldier in

Afghanistan. Sergeant Todd

Langley, 35-year-old commando

was killed in a fire fight

with Taliban insurgents

another Australian commando was also wounded. Today was

in fact the second day on the

job for the new defence force

chief General David Hurley

and he had the sad task of delivering this news this

morning. It is with great

sadness I'm here this morning

to advise you an Australian

soldier was killed in

Afghanistan yesterday morning

local time. Early afternoon

Australian time. The soldier

was serving with a special

operations task group on an operation in southern

Afghanistan when a group of

insurgents engaged the

partnered special operations

task group and Afghan

national security forces team

with small arms fire. Can I

start by expressing my

condolences to the family of

Sergeant Todd Langley, this

will be a tragedy for his

family and a tragedy for his

mates and his friends. We are

mourning the loss of Sergeant

Todd Langley who was killed

yesterday in Afghanistan. He

was a commando, one of the

best of our best in the

Australian Defence Force. He

was a decorated soldier and a

very brave man on his fifth tour of Afghanistan. Mr

Speaker, I rise to support

the words of the Prime

Minister and, yes, Australia

has lost another fine

soldier. Joining me now is

Neil James from the Australian Defence

Association, thanks for your time. One of the things that

really stands out about this

death is that Sergeant

Langley was on his fifth roetdation, fifth tour in

Afghanistan, he also had done two tours previously in East

Timor. When you put that

service all together. Five

tours in Afghanistan, of

pretty intense fighting for

the demandos, it adds up to

-- for the commandos it adds

up to three years of

fighting. This is a lot isn't

it when you look at Australia's military history

that's a lot of service. It certainly is and it's all

part of the way we fight our

modern war, we are a very

small part of the national

family fighting them a a very

small part of the defence

force is bearing the

brunt. The special forces and

infantry and engineers and aviation core in particular. In particular the

special forces do a lot of

rotations this question came

up to the PM and to the new

defence force chief today,

they say look, these guys

want to keep going back. They

keep saying we are happy to

go back. Does that mean they should be allowed to keep

going back? It's a question

of how long can the picture

keep going to the well -- the

pitcher keep going to the

well. The long term problem

is burn out and even if they

are willing to go back and

doing very well and they are professional and they want to

do it the longer term PTSD

problem we may be be create

in the long run is something

we will need a lot of looking

at the bottom line is there

is an internal debate whether

the line infrantry should be

doing some of the tasks the special forces are doing, it

is too late to change the

policy now because we are in the end game in Afghanistan

but in future wars we have to

stop politicians regarding

the special force as the

niche contribution we make

and the silver bullet solution for every strategic

problem. The sort of work

they do, as the PM explained

today and action we know is

trying to hunt insurgent

leaders, also trying to find

where the weapons and

roadsside bombs, IEDs are

made and clearing them out.

Are you saying this sort of

work could be done by infant ry-men not necessarily

special forces? Certain ly

some could be done by line

infantry units. You have got

to all remember not all are

commandos and SES. They have

engineers and army Corp and

gelgense Corp with them. And

we lost -- intelligence Corp.

If you equip a line infantry

unit with the equipment you

give special forces they can

do somewhere between 75% and

90% of the task, this is a

old dock tin trinal argument

in military think ing in the

world but we shouldn't forget

the mentoring taskforce are also doing a hard and

dangerous job too. At the end

of the day are we sending bam

some of the guys too often to Afghanistan? We are starting

with the last one who was

killed had done three tours,

we are starting to get to

that stage where we need to

look seriously at some of

this but how do you stop them

going back? You have got to

look at it on a case by case

basis if you just imposed a

cap it would become very

difficult and it would depend

what they are doing and where they are doing and what type

of war it was too. Australia

hassed third largest contribution of special --

has the third largest

contribution of special fofss in Afghanistan. We are not

the biggest country in the

world why do we have the

third largest number of

special forces. We are the

fifth largest of anyone doing

the fighting and the third largest contributor of special forces and one reason

is simply Afghanistan isn't

out of our region to us. It

is in the Asia-Pacific region

and the results of the

terrorist train in Afghanistan directly affect

us in Bali and the

Philippines and Indonesia and

Malaysia so... Is it also

because we are particularly good our special

forces? That's a very big

part of it and historically

Australia has always been

expected to punch above its

weight and most Australians

will think that's probably a

good thing but you have got

to balance this and the

problem is all wars are Coalition wars we are only ever a junior Coalition partner but too many

Australians think you can

suddenly waive and magic wand

and Australia can solve the

problem one way or the other

and it doesn't work that

way. What do you think of

Obama's troop draw down plan

to get 10,000 out this year

and more next year? The

Australian Defence

Association view is the decision taken by the

President was more directed

at win be the next

presidential election than

listening to the experts on

the ground. It may very well

have been the wrong decision

but again this is one of the things that history will

indicate to us in the long

run. Where does it leave

Australia? Well, it doesn't

leave Australia in any different position than it's

been all along remembering

the Americas still have a

large number of forces in

country. The NATO time line

is to start thinning out some

time around about 2014, 2015

and that's unlikely to change

at this stage. But we need to

remember that warfare is

dynamic, the situation could

change. It's unlikely to but

given the way things are

going in Oruzgan it is more

likely than not that we will

be able to start thinning out

the forces pretty seriously

in late 2013 and 2014 and

possibly even earlier, Which

is the time frame at the

moment but can you look at it

in isolation? Oruzgan in

isolation? If that goes to

plan great, but if the rest

of the country is no good,... You certainly can't

look at Oruzgan in isolation

of many provinces there

areally Monday. People need

to remember there are 35

provinces and Oruzgan is one

of them. It has been going

reasonably well this fighting

season and we hope that continues. Final question,

this is the 28th Australian

soldier that's died in

Afghanistan, and we see each

time the chief of defence,

the Prime Minister, making

statements like that which I

am sure are welcome and also

attending the funeral of

every Australian digger that dies. Is that problemry

ate? Well -- appropriate? The

defence association has a few

concerns, we are a little bit

worried not so much the Prime Minister and Leader of the

Opposition but some of the

other political statement s

lately of condolences have

started to be a tad

formulatic and that's not a

good thing. Vietnam veterans

think the politician s are grandstanding, the association's view is better

they go and have to confront

the bereaved family and

understand the action because

so few Australians and

particularly so few

politicians now have any personal military service

it's a way of bringing home to them the results of some

of the hard decisions. Neil

James good to talk to you,

thanks for that. Thank

you. Let's check in finally

what's been happening in

business today. Brain brain

is with us and no -- Nadine

Blayney is with us and no

great surprise the Reserve

Bank kept rates on hold. Yes

it did keep interest rates on

hold at 4.75%. This is the

8th month in a row that

interest rates have stay ed

steady. Now, it's interesting

that we have seen quite a

change in tone coming from

the Reserve Bank Board as

well today. As we have been

speaking of many times in the

past there are some big

questions over the pace of

this global economic

recovery. When it comes to

Greece when it comes to the

US in particular. Now the

questions are is this slow down in global growth

temporary? The Reserve Bank

seems to think that it is.

But it does admit that growth

in 2011 is likely to be a bit

slower than it had originally

forecast and that includes

for the local economy. The

Reserve Bank of Australia did

today give a nod to the

sectors outside the mining

industry that are doing it a

bit tough. It also

acknowledged that consumers

are not spending, that we

have become a bit of a nation

of savers, so what this means

is all eyes when it comes to

the timing of the next

interest rate hike is about

the data flow to come.

Inflation, our central bank

really does have a focus on

targeting inflation. And what

it is saying about inflation

is that look it's still

within the target band and

that it does expect inflation

to gradually rise but that it

isn't sort of a burning issue

right now. So we will be

looking forward to that read

on inflation in August. We

will also be looking for the

read on employment employment

that we are actually getting

on Thursday. There have been

some early indicator s that

jobs growth is slowing so the

Reserve Bank will be keeping

an eye focused on that. It is really interesting David

because of at the beginning

of the year the question

really was about how many

times the central bank would

need to hike rate s in the 12

months to come and we are

midway through the year and

now we are finding out look

the risk is actually the

Reserve Bank may not need to

hike rates at all through

this year. So we are watching

economists really reach --

rejig the forecasts for

interest rates but on hold

for now at 4.75%. It could be

one of the longest periods

where rates vptd moved up or

down for quite a -- haven't

moved up or down for quite a

while. We will catch up

tomorrow we are out of time

for tomorrow's program. Do

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