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Tonight on the 7.30 Report -

the hard road to Parliament for

someone asks Australia's first Muslim MP. If

someone asks "Are you Muslim?"

I say yes. People shouldn't

feel that level of guilt

because they feel they can't

engage in day-to-day society.

We don't need Muslims in Parliament in Australia. Got a result in Hasluck yet by the way? And John Clarke and Bryan

Dawe play the waiting game,

along with 14 million other

voters. It's going well, isn't

it? It's a well oiled machine,

This Program is Captioned this country.

Live. Welcome to the program and

while the Coalition has moved closer to establishing itself as the

as the party with the most seats in the Parliament, its

leader Tony Abbott has managed

to put himself offside with the

three Independents who could

deliver government to him if

they so choose. The week of argument over who should form

government erupted into a row today after the Opposition's

refusal to meet one of the Independents' requests to allow

the departments of Treasury and

finance to cost the election

promise of both major parties.

The Government has agreed to do

Police investigation into the so but the Opposition says it

source of an alleged Treasury leak during the election

campaign is completed. The

Independents have described

foolish move. Political Tony Abbott's refusal as a

Editor, Heather Ewart.

There was a moment of unity,

Abbott as Julia Gillard and Tony

of Jason Brown, the 29-year-old Australian soldier killed two

weeks ago in Afghanistan. Rest

in peace, my son, your duty is to come, done. There are more funerals

to come, but no matter which

leader heads a minority

government, both are committed

to Australian troops in

Afghanistan. It looks to be

the only point of the only point of agreement

right now as the nation waits

and waits for a new government

to be formed. The latest

hiccup is Tony Abbott's refusal

to give his policy costings to

Treasury for pe

demanded by the three rural Independent MPs. The public Independent MPs. The public

service is not in the same

position vis-a-vis

policies to provide advice and

insight as it is to provide

Government policies. By this advice and insight on

morning, Tony Abbott had firmed

up his position. He's based it

on his conviction there's a

Treasury model, after a Cabinet

leak on a Coalition costing submitted to the Charter of

Budget Honesty, which is now

being investigated by police. The Independents are flabbergasted. Every person in Australia at

Australia at the present moment

believes he's got something to

hide. He's been very

ill-advised to take this stand.

I think it's a fairly silly

thing to do, it's not a good

start. I can't see why an an

Treasury can't independent authority such as

Treasury can't be trusted to

look at those numbers. I can understand prior to the

election, but the election is

over. We've got two groups

wanting to be in power

country and we may be presided

upon to make that decision.

I'd suggest Mr Abbott might

like to change his mind. He's

not changing his mind and

spokesman Andrew Robb out there spokesman Andrew Robb throughout today he had finance

selling this message for

all him. We stand ready to provide

all of our policies and savings

to Treasury, as soon as the

police investigation is

satisfactorily resolved. Well,

we're certainly determined to

ensure the Independents get all of the information that they

need to take a national interest. It is not

unreasonable for us, given that

somebody was 10 days out from an election,

somebody was prepared in somebody was prepared in one of

those areas to leak a document

designed to cause significant political embarrassment to the

Coalition and undermine our

whole costings process.

Although the Opposition did

not participate through the

Charter of Budget Honesty

fully, the fact is that the public service would be aware

of the commitments of both the Opposition. What do you do if Government, as well as the

the source is not found? Well,

what we've done to date, which

is have all our proposals is have all our

separately and independently costed. However the justifies its approach, the overwhelming perception it

leaves - rightly or wrongly - is that it does have something

to hide. This is not an

election campaign where it has

to convince voters, this is a

battle to convince three has Independent MPs the Coalition Independent MPs

has the credentials to lead a

minority government. The bottom line impressed with the bottom line

on costings. We are carrying

the Coalition's election policies and the ALP's election

policies in my briefcase and we

will go over those. The

Independents are now at home in

next week, next their rural electorates until

next week, but if they need a

helping hand in this long, slow

process, they can call on Labor

campaign strategist and

lobbyist Bruce Hawker, indeed

they nominated him themselves.

On the Liberal side they'll former Howard Government

Graeme Morris as advisers Arthur sin dean os and

sounding-board. The Abbott

team is not happy with selection of selection of Hawker. The

complaint of the activities of

lobbyists has been a feature of

concern to all sides of

politics including the

Independents. It seems somewhat in-Congressous that

the first person nominated by Labor and the Independents is

someone who was Labor's principal lobbyist who is the spinmeister,

spinmeister, Labor's strategist. Isn't former Howard advice Graham Morris a

lobbyist, too? This saga gets

more muddled by the day and we shouldn't be holding our

breaths for quick resolution as the vote counting continues. We've had three seats

seats in doubt at this stage. Corangamite is firming towards

the Labor Party, Hasluck has

continued to trend towards the lot of count to be completed in lot of count to be completed in

Brisbane. Brisbane is the one seat which will potentially

still be in doubt going into

next week. If Brisbane is

going to be really close, then there may be some formation of government. We

will know the result by the end

of next week and negotiations

can start from that point

on. The electorate would no

doubt prefer to see a finishing

point not a starting point by

the end of next week, but the

reality is this could take weeks weeks and we're in unchartered

political waters where anything

could happen.

Ewart. Although there's only

been one previous hung Parliament in the past 100

years of Federal politics, the

States and Territories are very

familiar with the familiar with the syndrome.

Former NSW Liberal Premier Nick Greiner in 1991, former Victorian Premier Steve Bracks

in 1999. Both successfully negotiated their negotiated their way into

minority government and they

join me now. Steve Bracks from

Melbourne, and Nick Greiner from

from Sydney. To you both, I

just wonder what the hardest

aspects of your negotiations with the

the time, and can you isolate

one thing above all that got

them to support you as the minority government? Nick

Greiner? I hate to sound trite

but I think it was

mean, in my case originally

Tony Windsor, in fact, had the balance

balance of power. The other

Independents weren't needed and

I think in that case it was

pretty clear where the

political momentum was. The

Liberals had got 52 or 53% of

the 2-party vote and I

and momentum. I think in this

case frankly that's probably

missing on both sides. So it

wasn't an issue of what you

were able to offer him? No, I think we ended think we ended up having discussion about capital works in the Tamworth electorate... I

think there was some bus

contracts? He got some of what

he asked for, but subsequently,

of course, in that term of

government the thing changed and there were three

Independents with balance of

power and then their main

concern was to ensure they got some reforms in the running of

Parliament and I think that frankly added terms of improving terms of improving the nature

of the NSW Parliament which

still exists today. I'll come

back to that, but Steve Bracks

can you think of one thing

above all that got you and

Labor across the line Labor across the line with

those Independents in Victoria

in 1999? It was actually scary

in a way Kerry, because the

situation was roughly

equivalent to what we're seeing

now. We had three

Independents. They were all

country Independents. We had

one less seat than the Liberal

National Party at the time. We

had 42, they had 43. We had to wait for at it was about a month's wait

until we had a final outcome

and every day there seemed to

be something different. One

comment might be magnified into

a large issue. There was

counts. We had the seat of

Geelong ironically, you can see

Corangamite is near Geelong,

it's very close. But the seat it's very close. But the seat

of Geelong came in by 16 votes.

If those 16 votes didn't come in, we wouldn't be talking

about minority government. So

the actual wait was the

frustrating thing for us as a

major party and I'm sure it is

for Julia Gillard and Tony

Abbott. But I agree

I think it was about trust. But

the question is how you won the

trust? I think it's this, in a way, it's the policies that you

had before the election itself.

Anyone can change their

policies during a negotiating

period. For example, Craig

Ingram who was in the Gippsland

area, we had a policy to restore

restore flows to the Snowy

River before we knew about

Craig Ingram, so we had a

policy there. The Liberals in

this case tried to change their policy during period and, of course, people

aren't born yesterday, that was seen through so I suspect seen through so I suspect

there'd be something like that

around the broadband system, that if the Liberals suddenly change their policy, it would

probably be counterproductive

for them and work significantly

against them in this process. Now presumably you

have to draw some kind of a

line beyond which you don't go,

that you can't responsibly go,

you can't just sort of be

open-enned and just keep going

and going until you get them across the across the line? You can't have

a salami

you just keep cutting, I'm sure that's right. On the other hand, I don't think you can

start with a totally inflexible position because frankly this

is all unchartered territory. It happens It happens every so many years

in State parliaments, but the

truth is this is total

serendipity and these fellows,

the three of them have been, as

I put it, hit in the backside

with a rainbow. They've been very lucky, they very lucky, they have a huge

amount of power and they

haven't been preparing for it

and the institutions aren't really prepared for it either,

so there aren't any easy rules

as to

It's a normal negotiation, but

there's a lot of intuition and

there's a lot of... well, almost psychology, I don't think it's a scientific

exercise. What do you the current range of requests,

Steve Bracks? Particularly

asking both leaders to asking both leaders to

guarantee they'll run a full

three years? I'm not surprised.

This has been a constant claim of Independent members of Parliament around the country.

In fact, the reason that we

have fixed 4-year terms in

Victoria - And in NSW. And I

think it's the same in NSW, largely because of the requests by the Independents, fixed

4-year terms, proportional

representation in the Upper

House, a much more democratic and open Parliament with Question Times answered more

succinctly, Independents able to bring up a private members'

bill and have it dealt with and

debated. All those things

sound very familiar and I'm not surprised surprised the parliamentary

democracy is really where a lot

of this matter is settled,

because in a sense we have

political parties. The

Independents don't, their forum is the Parliament and to proper and appropriate support in the Parliament,

getting their voice heard is

always going to be the issue. Well, in NSW Nick

Greiner right now I don't think

too many voters will too many voters will be

thanking you or those

Independents for the fixed term

and I wonder when you talk

about those positive reforms

for the way Parliament was run,

how effective were they in the

end when you look at the state

of the government in NSW of the government in NSW today

and how much on the nose it is

with the public? Well, I don't

think the reason for them being

on the nose is the fixed terms.

The truth is the people voted them in three and a half years

ago and

themselves out even under a

different form of Parliament,

so I don't think that's really

true. Look, I agree with

Steve. I think actually a lot of that stuff which is naturally resisted by the

political parties, because it

doesn't sit easily with their self-concept in fact has

probably on balance been good.

I'm not sure every initiative

has turned out 100% right, but

I think if the Independents and

the Federal Independents now can find themselves to that legitimate area of focus for

people who happen to have ended

up in this position. I frankly

think that's a lot more

legitimate than trying to write the

the defence policy or the

policy or, you know, things

that clearly don't have

anything to do with

Independents as such or with

their own personal election campaign. Do you think it's a

reasonable request to ask both

parties to submit their

costings and the assumptions of

those costings to Treasury and

finance, Steve Bracks? Yes, I

do, and I don't think it's that

hard. It's really a discovery

process so they have better

information and in doesn't matter now, the

election's over so it really

doesn't have any electoral

import anymore, and the reality

is that we all know is that we all know how government works. The Department of Prime Minister in

Cabinet, the Department of Treasury, the Finance

Department would all be doing

this work for an incoming government. They'd have their

red and blue books. They would

have costed already the Liberal

and National Party policies as

well as the Labor policies,

because they have to and so

they'd have all that detail

ready. It's not going to be

that hard to provide it.

actually surprised at the

tactic of Tony Abbott. I'm not

sure what he's doing there. My

guess is he'll back down and

he'll probably back down in a

couple of days, because it doesn't seem to be a sound position that he's taking and

he probably hasn't got that much to fear in some ways. I

think I agree with that. I don't think that's

objectionable, I do think

they're getting a bit beyond

the pale when they're talking

about getting whole of

Government briefings which

would cover defence and foreign

affairs and trade. You do get the impression that there might

be some delusions They are in a position to

determine the next government and the way the Parliament

works, there's no doubt about

that. One hopes they don't

really believe they're in a

position to actually run the

government and make all the

decisions. Well, they say not,

but... Well, that doesn't work

in practice. If you stick to

things that you've actually got a personal agenda about, which

you've been elected on, or which go to the role of

Independents or the functioning

of the Parliament I think that's perfectly legitimate that's perfectly legitimate and probably a good thing, but

going beyond that frankly is

really scary and scary to Zealand today and people there

are saying, " What's really

going on there?" I think a few

people in Australia are asking

the same question. I'm sure. Tell me this both of you,

how much of your time in the term of minority government was

consumed by looking after the Independents? Well, Kerry,

quite a bit. I used to meet

with the three Independents on

the first sitting day of every

Parliament. I'd go through the

legislation, what was coming

up, what was proposed. I'd

discover if they needed further

briefings, I'd open up

them to assist with briefings

or support. They'd always have

issues during the parliamentary

sitting. I had to deal with

those personally, and often outside outside that I would be in touch every couple of weeks.

So in some respects, they

became like a caucus or your partyroom. They were a second

partyroom. Just what you

need. Just what you need, but

could I say this, and I'm not

sure if Nick can support this,

but they can also be a moderating influence. I don't

think the first term that we

years was a bad government. It

was a very good government. We

got a record majority

subsequently and they had a moderating influence on

government. We had to discipline legislation we had to articulate it more precisely and we had to

persuade and argue and that

wasn't a bad thing. Whoever

gets in will find that

stability will be something

that will come. We'll be back

here in two months if there is an agreement and we'll wonder

what all the fuss was about, because once a matter's

secured, once supply supported then the government

will get on with its business as

as if it had a majority and that's certainly what we

did. Nick Greiner? I think I

made a mistake, I didn't spend as much personal time, I

delegated it to the Leader of

the House. I think that was a

mistake in retrospect, I

probably should have spent more

personal time on it. I was

more resistant, I guess I still am, to the Independents getting

a complete 100% oversight of

the government. The truth is they don't have the capacity,

the resources... it's not of their mandate in any sense,

so I was more resistant to the notion of, if you like, handing the entirety of the entirety of the government

over, but certainly in retrospect I think I should

have spent more personal time

involved because at the end of

the day it had a real impact on

the quality of the

government. Just very quickly,

one or two word answers from

both of you, are you both convinced there will be a

resolution, that we will not

fine ourselves going back to an

election because there could

not be an agreement with one

side or the other? I'm almost certainly there will be a certainly there will be a resolution.

note, we'll finish it. Nick

Greiner and Steve Bracks,

thanks for talking with us. Thank you. Cliffhanger

election it may be, but one man

sure of the result in his seat

is former union boss, Ed Husic,

who goes to Parliament whenever

it does open its doors again, as Australia's first Muslim

Federal MP. He's the new Labor

member for the western Sydney

seat of Chifley named in honour

of war-time Prime Minister Ben Chifley but not before

suffering a 7% swing away from Labor. but the road to Parliament has

nots been easy. Ed Husic has

accused elements within the

Liberal Party in western Sydney

of repeatedly seeking to use

his Muslim background as his Muslim background as a divisive political issue. Thea

Dikeos reports.

On an election night full of uncertainities, there was one

result that wasn't in doubt.

At the Mount Druitt Workers Club, ALP Club, ALP candidate Ed Husic celebrated victory among friends in Labor heartland in

the Sydney seat of Chifley.

This is an area

in. Getting an opportunity to in. Getting an opportunity to

be able to represent the area,

it means a lot to me to be in a

position to do that. The former secretary of the Communications Electrical and

Plumbing Union is the first Muslim to enter Federal

are Parliament. If someone asks me

are you Muslim, I say yes, and

then if someone says, well do

you pray and go to a mosque and

do all the other things

associated with the faith, I

say no, and people have... I

often get told that I describe

myself as non-practicing when

in actual fact I don't go

around saying that, like I just

say "I'm Muslim". Ed Husic's parents migrated from the

former Yugoslav during the '60s with no English, few

possessions and dreams of a

better life for their children.

On election night, his mother

Hasiba overcome by emotion,

achievement. That's the day I lived for. Thank you, thank

you for everything. One of his

political mentors is political mentors is former NSW

Premier Bob Carr. I know Ed

doesn't want to make a feature

of his religion, but it will be

a nice moment when he can go to

a school that's got 70% kids

from Islamic background and I

think it will say to them in this Australia, you're not

excluded. Ed Husic's campaign headlines temporarily when the

Liberal candidate invalid pensioner and conservative Christian David Barker was

disendorsed after his Facebook

page was revealed in a Sydney

newspaper. In it, he wrote God

was on the side of the Liberal

right and accused opponents of

bringing the nation closer to

the hands of a Muslim country. He's disendorsed, he's

gone, he's finished. David Barker had also written to the

local churches seeking their a strong Muslim. I honestly support, describing Ed Husic as

believe it was very important

that the Christians in this

area know he's a Muslim. Why did you feel important? Because we don't

need Muslims in Parliament in

Australia. It's just wrong.

People shouldn't have to feel

that level of guilt and hide

themselves because they feel

they can't engage in day-to-day

society and that to be honest,

that's the thing that gets me the the most. Ed Husic says David

Barker's preselection is

evidence that elements of the Liberal

Liberal Party in western Sydney

are cynically using religion as a a divisive political tactic during elections. When you look

at the selection of my former opponent, that there is a very

strong element within the Liberal Party that doesn't represent the mainstream of the

Liberal Party, that has control

of a number of branches out in

western Sydney and they are

influencing the selection of

candidates and they're

influencing the control of

in the seat of Lindsay, which in campaigns. In the 2007 election

is next door to Chifley, senior

Liberal members were charged

with distributing fake flyers

linking support for the Labor Party to a Party to a fictitious Islamic

organisation. In the 2004

election campaign in Chifley's

other neighbouring seat of

Greenway, Ed Husic stood as a

Labor candidate for the first

time. Again, Ed Husic and his

directly. Fake flyers religion were targeted

described him as a devout

Muslim working hard to get a

better deal for Islam in

Greenway. You almost felt like

you'd be branded and for anyone

who's had that publicly it's

not a good feeling. Ed Husic

was beaten by just 883 votes.

No-one was prosecuted for the

flyers, and there was no

evidence they came from the

Liberal Party. Bob Carr says a

whispering campaign raising his

Muslim background cost Ed Husic

the seat. It was pervasive, it

was everywhere. It came up in

in dummied up flyer that made telephone polling, it came up

it look like he was running for

Parliament to campaign for

Islamic rights. It came up in

the subtle reiteration that his opponent was a Christian

recent church-goer. Ed Husic's most

recent opponent David Barker,

has had a long association with

president of the Mount Druitt the Liberal Party. He's been

branch for the last two years.

In 1999 he also ran as a

Liberal candidate for Liverpool

in State parliament. According

to the Liberal Party, David

Barker underwent the normal including being interviewed by

at least four senior NSW

Liberal Party officials. I'll

be very surprised if they didn't know my views on these

issues and I'd be quite surprised if

who I was when they made the

decision to endorse me. David

Barker says he was specifically

told at that meeting to steer

clear from referring to Ed Husic's Muslim background

during the campaign. They said

I wasn't to talk about Ed Husic's background. They

obviously felt that you do that? That's correct, they probably knew I would. I find

it hard to believe that someone

who to this day right now holds

those views so strongly,

not get caught up in their own

candidate filter as to whether

or not this was a person that

should stand and so the

question I'd have is if they

knew that was an issue, why did

they select him? Ed Husic

welcomed the Liberal Party's

decision to disendorse David

Barker, but he said it needs to

go further. They do reform the branches out and to demonstrate that the reform the branches out here

heavy hitters of the Liberal

Party in western Sydney don't

influence and are not responsible for the

establishment of extreme policy

or extreme views, or

campaigning that falls foul of

what many people believe is a

fair go. The Liberal Party declined requests for an

interview. It provided the

following statement:

In the meantime, Ed Husic

says the people of Chifley ultimately judge him on what he

will be able to deliver. And in

this electorate, as diverse as

it is, you have to do your job

to the best of your abilities

to represent all that

diversity. That report from

Thea Dikeos. Time now for John

Clarke and Bryan Dawe playing their own waiting game.

Hello. Evening. How are you going? How are things? Not bad.

How are your things? Good, yeah. A bit cold. Bloody freezing. Got any

questions? Sorry? Have you got any questions? Questions? Yeah . Me? Yeah, got any

questions? What questions? I

don't know. Questions for

whom? Who, who do you want to

talk to, I've got no idea. Well, I don't know. Um... have yet? I don't know, have we got

a result yet? Any word from the governor, anything at don't think. Not really. Have

they got a result they got a result in

Hasluck? Think they're doing a recount. Preferentials will be

important. It's going well,

isn't it? It's a well-oiled

machine this country, yeah,

yeah, yeah. We haven't government for five

weeks. We've got a government,

we don't have a Parliament. How

do you know? I rang them

today. The

Government? Yeah. What for? I

had a question about my

BAS. What did you ask them? Why. Fair enough. What BAS. What did you ask

are you doing by the way? Crossword. Crossword? Yeah.

Government, nine You can help. Form of

letters. Democracy? Form of government. Corangamite? No,

telling too long, too long. You're

leader, seven telling me. There you go,

letters. Windsor. Good on ya,

that would mean this other one

across begins S-H, person who meddles and

interferes. Shambles? Shambles...

no, no, I think I've got that one. What was it? Pardon? What

was it? Shambles will be the

answer to the next one. Result

of person who meddles and

with F? The cleaners? No, tell interferes. Oh, does it begin

'em to come in. We'll be here

for a bit, I think. We'll lift

our feet. Any word from

Beckett. Samuel Beckett? Tell

'em we're waiting. I think they

probably worked that out. How

long do you think we'll have to

wait? A bit more. Might have to

switch our mind to sport.

That's the program for tonight

and the week. Don't forget 'Stateline' tomorrow. 'Stateline' tomorrow. I'll be joining you again Monday, but

for now, goodnight.

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