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(generated from captions) The next person gets the leadership

like Malcolm Fraser by default.

That's not the Aussie way". There That's not the Aussie way"

has been a lot of references to " Aussie way" has been a lot of references to "The

Aussie way". We don't like what are

perceived as at any rate ores and

they are un-Australian

characteristics. Which is

Gillard, Leo, looked so characteristics. Which is why Julia

uncomfortable last night. She

doesn't want to be seen as

treacherous. Shes doesn't want that

mind saying " baggage. You could almost read her

mind saying "I hope these blokes are , right that

right that pushed me into this."

, For all the talk that being

her Opposition Leader. Ultimately it is , For all the talk that being a

stand he yes, she was pushed into it her decision. She doesn't have to but she was making

She has to live with the but she was making that decision.

consequences of that, with the

electorate as well as within her own

party. Sofie, do you think there

will be a back

will be a backlash from the

electorate on the perception of

treachery. I think that will be one

of her Gillard's challenge essay

head. Also this idea that she stand

behind Rudd on every major decision.

She is responsible as much as he is

for the dumps of the ETS for

example. So how she is going to

defend her position on that will be

very interesting as well. Also, the

Ed - the building program within

schools and the controversy there,

Leo, certainly has t has been her

doing as well. I mean, she was the

been one of the architect of it and you know, it's

been one of the - I moon, people

talk about the ETS and the mining

tax but there is an accumulation of

real problems for this government,

Ber stimulus roll out was one of

them. That being said, if the Libs

are going to label her as a

of the unions, she can point to what are going to label her as a puppet

she has done over the My School

website which has been really

important and popular and involved a

big fight with a big union. So, she

can point to that. OK, Leo i

you have to dash back up to watch can point to that. OK, Leo i know

all this happening. Thank you four

time. We will be Reading the

coverage in the Punch. Thank you for

joining us. Our Our political editor

Mark Riley is in Canberra. Riles,

Julie Irwin was certainly portraying

the emotion of a lot of the Caucus

members going into this meeting. It

it's certainly not cold and hard, is

it? It isn't Kochie. I think Julie

Irwin put it quite well for a lot of

members of the Labor Party, to assassinate a lead ner his first

term after delivering a great

victory at the polls and being ee

lcked by a big margin by the people

is an extraordinary move independent

deed. That's something that Julia

Gillard will have to explain to

Labor Party but mostly beyond this Gillard will have to explain to the

place here, Kochie, the story that

has to be sold now is to the people

watching this broadcast today, to

the mum and dad voters in Australia

who will be watching this and

shaking their heads, how did it come

to this? What are they doing? Why

are they doing it We are certainly

seeing that through the Soapbox at

the moment. Mel, they are just am I

correct in saying they are just

seems to be an enormous reaction

that the Australian public, our

viewers are being let down by this?

That maybe these political warlords

and the unions who play their games,

very back here, things that

in the building behind me, maybe very back here, things that happen

completely out of touch with the

rest of us. I think such an element

of surprise. That is certainly being

reflected. It's very difficult when

you are working in Parliament House

and you here things for a few days

when you are going about your every

day life, all of a sudden, you go to

bed as we all did last night, that

it's all happening and woke up, in a

news room with - I've got another

one, Roslyn says "

one, Roslyn says "the Labor spin

doctors are completely out of stage

if they think that replacing Kevin

Rudd will Julia Gillard will help

them win the next election, they

will be seen as a party of back

stabbers who can't be trusted and

completely controlled by the completely controlled by the unions.

unions." I think we are almost

seeing some sort of parallels here

with what happened recently

South Wales and the leadership spill with what happened recently in New

and the perception that the Premier

of New South Wales, Kristina

Keneally was controlled by these

faceless men as our viewers are

calling them. What happened there.

So, there is just so many factors to

this. Absolutely. Riles, what are

you hearing as the members get into

the Caucus room? Some of them have

been tweeting. They have been

emailing. They have been working the

phones. What is the very latest on

the figures? And particularly the

whispers that there is pressure

Kevin Rudd to actually pull whispers that there is pressure on

rather than be humiliated? That's Kevin Rudd to actually pull out

certainly happening, David. Look,

the latest as people went into the

Caucus room was that the numbers

were firming for Julia Gillard and

that she was telling the party that

she would be an inclusive leader.

They always say that. Kevin Rudd

said that when he became leader and

that's part of the reason why he is

being stabbed in the back today. being stabbed in the back today. There

There is a feeling of trepidation,

also a feeling - a realistic feeling

that this is going to be a hard day

to get past for the Labor Party. It

needs now to explain itself to the

electorate and to the people and

those members. They know that when

they go back to their electorates.

Peel be will stopping them in the

straight asking why did you do straight asking why did you do this?

this?. The other thing, a lot of the

members believe, the Labor message

wasn't getting out. On key issues.

The asylum seeker issue is upper

most in most of those Marge until

seat holders' minds. It is burning

deep in the electorate. They are

concerned that Labor Party did not

have a strong enough message there.

Kevin Rudd you might have noticed

last night, in his press conference

said very directly that he would

not, if he is re-elected this

morning, woe not move to the right

on asylum seekers. That was a very strong message to the party,

particularly in the kind of strange

parallel universe we are in today,

to the left wing of the party, from

where Julia Gillard comes from for

that kind of softer vote. I am by some of those members that Julia that kind of softer vote. I am told

Gillard was telling them that they

she would enforce a stronger message

on asylum seekers to help them win

that discussion with their elect

tores before the election. Kochie,

you can hear me, Nat has just done a

quick summary of the Soapbox. Just

looking through, very little support

for Julia Gillard through the last

sort of 12 hours or so. But also,

very little support for Kevin Rudd.

People aren't saying, let him have a

go, the poor thing. People are

appalled at the process, just about

every email, hundreds and hundreds

of them, appalled about the way this

is happening. And also, the MPs

turning up this morning and

basically letting loose. Like April says, "

says, "let's talk about all the horribly wrong things about the

party to the press and tell them we

are putting all our hopes on a

single person when we have failed as

a party because of another single

person. Are we khoinging jockeys or horses? person. Are we khoinging jockeys or horses?" person. Are we khoinging jockeys or

horses?". Tammy sums that up at all.

She says "

She says "why vote at all, if the

voter owes chase is overturned by a

brat pack.

brat pack. I won't be backing Julia Gillard as she is defeat full and I

won't be backing Labor as they have

shown their true face, spoilt brat pack. shown their true face, spoilt brat pack." shown their true face, spoilt brat

pack.". Warren says "

pack.". Warren says "what a week

government. What would they do if

they got into a real fight?

they got into a real fight?" Scott

says get the Governor-General in to

dissolve the Port and to let's vote.

Labor you are doomed" Sophie Black,

it's like a blood sport, we have

just dish mean, it's almost

unprecedented, the emails coming in.

They are so angry. They are, look,

this is the really interesting

thing. The press gallery have been

object sessing for months now over

the fact that Kevin Rudd's

colleagues are very distrunt willed,

there is no coltation, his junior

advisor are running the show and

Rudd is very hard to communicate

with and to establish contact with but really,

but really, voters don't give a toss about any of that. They see a

government in complete disarray now

that are just - they are tearing themselves apart. You

themselves apart. You emergencies New South Wales Premier Kristina

Keneally before. That's a very

interesting case because her personal popularity rating is

through the roof. But that's not

necessarily enough to save the necessarily enough to save the state

Labor Government because their

pollie is still abusiness mall. It

doesn't matter how popular Gillard

is, that won't overcome this public

feeling of resentment about how

feeling of resentment about how this has all come about. Five minutes

ago, Kevin Rudd's polling was

through the roof as well. Speaking

of, we have got some pictures just

in. This is the Prime Minister

there, just arrived at Parliament

House. He is making his way through the great

the great hall and heading on into

the meeting room. They

close the doors at nine o'clock, the meeting room. They were due to close the doors at nine o'clock,,

waiting for probably pretty much one

of two most poor people to arrive.

Julia Gillard just arrived shortly

before Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

The vote will be taken. Basically,

everybody will come in, they will

close the doors, the Rudd will

declare the leadership vacant. So

the contenders will stand up and

nominate themselves. As bee know,

there are the two there, Gillard and

Rudd. Each will address Caucus for

about 10 or 20 minutes. Then a

secret ballot will be held so the

whole process may take 30, 40

minutes, we will see, although the

numbers seem to be indicating that

it could be fairly swift. Kochie, I

know Mark Riley is with us as well.

Riles, the fact that the Prime

Minister was late going into the

Caucus meeting, do you - is there

any significance in that? And also,

with Anthony Albanese, one of his

most trusted people. I think the

most significant thing about those

pictures were the lack of real heavy

weights there alongside Kevin Rudd.

Anthony Albanese certainly is that,

but Max even Mack Kew, the member

for Bennelong and an array of

backbenchers will be, the thing that

be gauling, would be that be gauling, would be

be gauling, would be Julia Gillard

walked in alongside his high school

friend, Wayne Swan who will stand

for her canned indemnity as deputy.

That's a real knife in the heart.

Those pictures we are seeing right

now. Because Kevin from Queensland

and his mate Wayne, were the team

that took the country through

that took the country through the global financial crisis. I think

that would be personally damaging

that would be personally damaging to Kevin Rudd. That is a massive image

to send out to the other Caucus

members. Riles, it looks as

members. Riles, it looks as though Kevin Rudd is gone. The numbers are

so significant against him in

so significant against him in that party room at the moment, he can

talk all he wants but the numbers

just aren't going

just aren't going to be there. What

will he do after this vote is taken

Well, Kochie, he will have two

options really. Either to stay on

the backbench until the election and

then probably leave at the election.

Or to up stakes and walk outright

now. I suspect he won't take that

option. I think he will hang

option. I think he will hang around on the backbench. I suspect

on the backbench. I suspect that Julia Gillard as we suspects we wins

will offer him a position on the

frontbench. That's the thing to do

and he will decline that position.

Kevin Rudd will melt away to the

backbench and then consider what he

should do for his future. He

certainly doesn't need the money.

Ter ace has a very successful

business. The family is pretty well

off. He has always seen himself as a

bit after states

bit after statesman on the global

stage. Do you reckon that's where he

will end up? A sort of a Nguyen type

position. Very possibly. This is, I

know from my close observation

know from my close observation of Kevin Rudd over the past many years,

an incredibly driven individual. I

can tell you what I won't do. He

won't sit still for very long. I

think that his skill base is

certainly in international affairs.

I don't think he would be out of

place on corporate boards around

Australia but I don't think he would

be out of place in the the UN or the

world bank or the IMF or as a senior

advisor to another country. I think

he would fit in very well. But I

think elhave an embarrassment of

options in the public sector - in

the private sector, sorry but all

those things at the moment, would

seem significant and sborb Nat to

the job he is doing today for the

next next 1501 or 15 minutes. If he

does sur rife this morning, what

happens then? Because obviously it

will ab pretty weak platform. Knowing

Knowing that he really doesn't have the support of the power brokers

that you say, so he

that you say, so he squeex in with a

vote or two, is it then just a

matter of time before this happens

again or will he

again or will he limp across the line and get to the election and then they

then they will dump him. I think if

he does squeak in by one or two

votes, he will go to the election

with real questions about his

support in the party and over his

leadership. I think that that's

probably not an option for the Labor

Party. I think that's also why we

are being told the votes are moving

so strongly because they want the

victory to be em fas fat ick. victory to be em fas fat

victory to be em fas victory to be em victory to be victory so strongly because they want the

Victory to be emphatic. A lot of

Caucus members are being blackmailed

in this, aren't they?

in this, aren't they?. You've got

the faction leaders and the unions

that have brought this on, anyone

who has been waivering, they have

been saying, decision has have

been saying, decision has have been

made, if you don't back us, if we

don't make it decisive and put us in

limbo as Mel was suggesting, there

will be worse for us? You are going to lose your seat at the next

election. You can't afford to not to

get on the train even if you don't

like it. Now, that's pretty

powerful. It is indeed, Kochie. All

of that has been happening over the

last amazing 10 or 12 hours. That is

a message that's going through this

Labor members. Maybe no bones about

it, this will be a very

it, this will be a very different Labor Party if Julia Gillard emerges

as the leader. It is a signal for

the re emergence of the factions

factions, it is a signal for the

union movement. Something that Kevin

Rudd had kept under a lid for his

time as leader and inevitably, we

believe brings about his end. There

is a lot of pressure on members to

go with the flow to get on the new

team, if only for their own sake,

for their own interests and I've got

to tell you in that room, 112 people

there today, two missing, self

interest is probably the biggest

factor playing on people's minds.

Riles, the logistics, I mean, Kevin

Rudd was due to fly to Torronto

tomorrow for the group of 20

leaders. You wonder what will happen

there if Julia Gillard, will she fly

out. She can't go. She couldn't

possibly go. Don't think the first

move, a Prime Minister can make is to

The Prime Minister is the one who

has to step up and say that the leadership is vacant and that the

Chairman will call for the

nominations. We have two people who

have put up their hands. Both Julia

Gillard and Kevin Rudd will get

Gillard and Kevin Rudd will get up and address the room and all the

members present, for about ten

minutes each, the vote will be held

by secret ballot. So we

by secret ballot. So we are

estimating whole process should be

take about half an hour. The numbers

seem to be tack stacked in Julia

Gillard's favour. We have all seen

stranger things happened. Jodie

Spears is on the phone. She is in

that corridor right outside the

door. Is everybody in? Are we still

waiting on a few. I think they are

all in there now. We can't see

anyone else coming past. They have

just been filing past. All pretty

tight lipped on their way into the

room. Jenny Macklin and Tania walked

past. Stephen Smith, Julia Gillard

then topped it off walking along

with Wayne Swan. Both of them just

said good morning and wouldn't

comment on how confident they were.

Quite different to the mood on the doors this morning doors this morning outside Parliament where a lot of

backbenchers were coming through and

making their thoughts well known.

Watching them all arrive. I don't

know whether they are all good

actors but there are a lot of

smiles. I will say. It's quite

unusual. There were differing sort

of moods. One of the Labor MPs

of moods. One of the Labor MPs was on the verge of tear x my female

hormones are just getting to me. It almost brought us to emotional

states as well. A range of emotions

and really quite seem to be quite sweet as

sweet as split on the doors as to

who they were supporting but they

have clammed up. Dozens of

have clammed up. Dozens of jurn owes

here waiting for the result.

Interesting to see who they were all

arriving with. The biggest

indication, the fact that Wayne Swan

walked in with Julia Gillard. There

is Anthony Albanese walking next

is Anthony Albanese walking next to Kevin Rudd. A lot of passion

unleashed at the door. We were quite

surprised by some of the things that

were said. Julia Irwin one, we heard

from earlier. I think also, the fact

that it is came so suddenly. It is a

sad day for the Australian Labor

Party. I have been a member of the

movement for 43 years. I have been a

member of this Parliament for 12

years. It's been indeed an honour.

But I find it very hard that today,

I do apologise, I think my my female

hormones are going to start to play

up. It will be very hard when we go

into that Caucus and to see the

Caucus put the knife into the back

of a Labor Prime Minister in his

first term. My comment to you today,

I think that will answer your

question who I will be supporting.

But I would also like to just send

another message, that Mark Arbib

will not deliver the whole of

will not deliver the whole of the New South Wales right to Julia

Gillard today. He has

Gillard today. He has a lot to

answer for for the damage that he

has done to the New South Wales Labor. has done to the New South Wales

Labor.. I think Julia Irwin is just

reflecting the emotion and the shock

from people within the party that

they were caught by surprised.

Apparently, Riles, this all started

in a cafe in Kingston yesterday

in a cafe in Kingston yesterday with Bill Shorten and Mark Arbib and some

union leaders. They started to bring

it to a head because most

parliamentarians thought this

parliamentarians thought this that would be the next sitting day before

the next election. By the look of

it, if Julia Gillard is ooi elected,

they will come back for another

sitting so she can show her mettle to the Australian public. Don't you

think. Well, I think that would be a

big decision for Julia Gillard. That

would be one way that they could go,

to come back and use the Parliament

for a couple of weeks to show her as

the leader and the Parliament to

perhaps to convince those people who

today are a bit confused by what is

happening and also, who are not sure

of her leadership credentials about

the sort of leader she would be.

However, there is also another

school of thought that suggests that

if she gets a bounce in the polls

quickly, you go to the polls quickly

and you capitalise on that,

and you capitalise on that, because in the end, this isn't about process

as they are proving today, the Labor

Party, it's not about nicities or

good manners, it's just about

winning. That's what it's all about.

But see, that annoys us all. That

really gets under the skin of the

average Australian. The message to

these boffins in Parliament is that

it's not about you, it's about us

and it's about running the country.

But that message just doesn't seem

to get through. Mel, that's being

reflected in the Soapbox as the

public - the voting public, we feel

conned in this. We are meant to be

in a democracy, we are meant to

in a democracy, we are meant to be the ones who make the decisions but

that's being taken away from us.

Absolutely. We have got some emails

reflecting those very views.

Charlene says, "

Charlene says, "come on, fair Charlene says, "come on, fair shake of the

of the sauce bottle speak. I feely speak for many when I say I didn't

vote for Julia. I vote for Kevin vote for Julia. I vote for

vote for Julia. I vote for Ruddy.

vote for Julia. I vote for Ruddy." vote for Julia. I vote for Ruddy.".

vote for Julia. I vote for Ruddy."..

I want my vote back. Thank you. I

think that Julia is very two faced

for trying to take offer the job of

the man that the Australian public

choose to support. This is the

clearest indication of what will

happen in the Caucus room today the,

the punter, they always get it

right. Sporting bet at Julia Gillard

at $1.10 and Kevin Rudd at $

at $1.10 and Kevin Rudd at $6.

at $1.10 and Kevin Rudd at $6.25. So

is way out there. At the next

federal elect, Labor Party $ federal elect, Labor Party $1.

federal elect, Labor Party $1.55,

Coalition to win, $ Coalition to win, $2.

Coalition to win, $2.40. Kochie,

you've got your finger on the pulse

of big business. We have had so much

stability, the political stability

has been so important to the

Australian economy which we all care

about, does this rock our boat. about, does this rock our boat.? Look, I think in terms of big

business, they have become pretty disenchanted with Kevin Rudd, there

is no doubt about that, particularly

Hinze stance on the super profits

tax. Big mining interests were

incredibly infuriate with this.

incredibly infuriate with this. They have got very deep pockets and this

campaign that they have waged has

been very effective. So, but I

think, Riles, this gives Julia

Gillard I suppose, a chance to

legitimately back flip the party on

these issues, the super profits tax,

the ETS to go harder on asylum

seekers, the boat people coming in,

issues that Kevin Rudd would have

been very hard - hard pressed to

change his mind and

change his mind and he publically said on a number of them that he

would n't. He was going to tough it

out. Now they will cave in, don't

you think. It's the opportunity to

do that, to change the party's

position on all

position on all those policies if they think that's the way to go.

Certainly among a lot of the

backbenchers, the belief was that

Labor's message wasn't being heard.

That their policy direction had stalled, that Tony Abbott stalled, that Tony Abbott had painted them into a corner by

opposing most of the major policy

positions by getting out on front

particularly asylum seekers. And

that they need to re establish their

policy dominance in those areas.

Now, just watching that vision now,

Kochie and a couple of Caucus

members have walked out and turned a

corner and gone down towards the

members' officers so I am not sure

what that means, teen Li, John Hogg

who held a an official position in

the Caucus just walked out. We will

keep you updated as things occur but

it - he didn't walk down, they

it - he didn't walk down, they would walk down the length of the corridor

where our camera position is there

Riles, can I just interrupt there,

Sky News is reporting that Kevin

Rudd has stood down. Now, that could

be an explanation for your inquiry

on those two Caucus officials that were going in the option

were going in the option direction do you think. Yeah, that would mean

that certainly there was a lot of

pressure on the Prime Minister to do

that. The mip ster had told me this morning that morning that. The mip ster had told me this that. The mip ster had told me that. The mip ster had told that. The mip ster had that. The mip ster that. The mip that. The that.

Do minister told me this morning

that that would be the best option.

So what will the opposition focus on

on Julia Gillard because Melbourne's

quite right. Our viewers are quite

right. The Julia Gillard has been

there every step of the way but she

has had quite a controversial

career, hasn't she? Yes, she has. I

mean, she last been a very competent

minister but she has areas of policy where there have been considerable

controversies, particularly in the

education field and with the

building the education revolution,

the school halls program and also

industrial relations. So, but I

think also, as we were saying being

the fact that she was a member of

the so-called gang of four who made

all the decisions including

sidelining the CPRS,

sidelining the CPRS, the emissions trading scheme, the decisions

trading scheme, the decisions on Refund Home inslairks she was

central to those, she will have to

say very quickly, explain very

quickly what her views were when

those positions were discussed and

why she went along with it. Reports

now that Julia Gillard has been

elected Australia's first Prime

Minister. A historic vote, reports

coming out of the ALP that Julia

Gillard is now Australia's new Prime

Minister. Riles, it is history in

the making, isn't it? It is in so

many way, Kochie. We

many way, Kochie. We have not seen

many way, Kochie. We have not seen a Prime Minister deposed in this

fashion before in a first term and

we certainly haven't seen a

we certainly haven't seen a female Prime Minister. We haven't seen

Prime Minister. We haven't seen a Prime Minister from the left faction

for quite sometime, although Julia Gillard certainly moved towards the

right in her beliefs in recent

times. It is an extraordinary and

historic day in Canberra. Yes.

Alright. Just to confirm that, we

are getting news that - it is not

official at the moment, but the

amazing thing is technology. Here

the Twitter world has come into its

own certainly That's what I have

been checking. Exactly I have been

keeping an eye on the Twitter,

saying, that no bat ol, Julia

Gillard elected unopposed, Rudd

stands down and she is our new Prime Minister. We are watching the

corridors there, waiting for them to

come out from the ballot room and

confirm what we are hearing. We will

try and get I think gee joe

difficulty Spears in the hall way. I

must say pretty quick. It got under

way a little bit later than we

expected, I am just piering down. It

got under way later than we expected

and went a lot quicker also. I

should imagine, Kevin Rudd probably

yent in there and said you can all

get Nicked, I'm out of here. Am not

sure he would have said it in such

clipped and direct terms you r David

but he made a generous speech and

thanked the Labor Party for the time

he had. Maybe save that for

tomorrow. That's the - that's the

tradition. I think when it comes to

that, if you do face the

that, if you do face the reality that the numbers are so heavily

against you, I don't think lashing

out is probably is the way to go.

Politicss in my experience,

particularly leaders, they particularly leaders, they are their

best speechers are their concession

speeches. Riles, given that Julia we

are assuming got the votes, 70, give

or take, it will be a big job for

her to unite the party and have them

all behind her or given she had

those numbers, will every one fall

into line fairly quickly. Well, the

majority of the party is behind her.

I think the other part of the party

will reluctantly come behind

will reluctantly come behind the Labor Party, normally falls into

line. It's much more regimented

party in that way than the Liberal

and national parties are. There are

certainly internal disciplines that

are brought to bear at times like

these. Julie Irwin who you heard

from earlier, speaks for a lot of

saddened and disgrunt willed Labor

members today. She is not

members today. She is not standing at the next election. Her - she is

now going off into political

retirement but I think you will find

that the Labor members will know

that the only way forward is to show

a united front, whether they believe

it or not, there will be a united

front put forward. We have got

pictures, you can imagine two people

who were very keen on finding out

what would happen this morning, Julia

Julia Gillard's mum and dad. They are at home glued to the TV to find

out whether their daughter will

become the first female Prime

Minister of this country. There they

are watching and waiting this

morning. Of course we have learned a

lot about Julia Gillard particularly

today. But born in Wales 1961. Came

in when she was five. And her mum

and dad Kochie will be very, very

proud this morning of their little

girl. And very proud South

Australians and of course, a very

proud day for unly high school in

Adelaide as well. Producing

Australia's first female Prime

Minister. So, It's good that -

alright x you can fly the flag for

south Australians. I will fly the

flag here for women. We have got our

first Premier, our first female

Governor-General, two female

governors, New South Wales and

Queensland, Sophie Black, the

question all morning was being asked

by many people, saying are we ready

for a female Prime Minister. I think

well and truly. We wanted the best

person for the job. It seems the party has decided it's Julia

Gillard. Absolutely. As you say, we

are used to seeing female leaders

are used to seeing female leaders on the Australian political landscape

and in fact, there is a rich history

of female politicss coming in to

clean up the mess of their male

counterparts. We have just seen

counterparts. We have just seen that with the New South Wales Premier,

Kristina Keneally and

Kristina Keneally and now we are witnessing it today with our first

female Prime Minister.

We hope Let me ask Here comes the announcement.

Ladies and gentlemen, as returning

officer of the federal

officer of the federal parliamentary Labor Party, I wish to report to you

that a special meeting of the party

was held this morning at which the

positions of leader and Deputy

Leader were declared vacant. The new leader of the federal

leader of the federal parliamentary Labor Party elected unopposed

Labor Party elected unopposed is Julia Gillard. The new Deputy

Julia Gillard. The new Deputy Leader of the federal parliamentary Labor

Party elected unopposeside Wayne

Swan. The next Labor Prime Minister

and first female Prime Minister of

this country will be Julia Gillard.

Wayne Swan will be Deputy Prime

Minister of Australia. Thank you.

Each of the people elected as well

as Prime Minister Kevin as Prime Minister

as Prime Minister Rudd spoke to the

Caucus. I don't wish to canvas what

they said. I will leave it for those

members to report as they feel fit

to do so. The meeting was conducted

in a remember ordinarily manner. It

was a - yes, I can say it was a very

gracious speech by the Prime

Minister and also by the knew leader

and Deputy Leader. Was there any

display are of emotion by the Prime Minister. display are of emotion by the Prime

Minister.? There was no ballot

because there was only one

nomination for both positions. Was

there any display of emotion from

the Prime Minister? This has been a

difficult time for the Prime

Minister. It has been a difficult

time for the party. I will leave it

to the Prime Minister, Mr Rudd, to

make further comments. I don't wish

to comment other than to say that

to comment other than to say that he led us to victory in 2007. A victory

that was achieved when many people

thought that you know, we would be

still spending more years in

opposition. That is a great

achievement. He did that with Julia

Gillard as a Deputy Leader. We now

have a new team and I am looking

forward and looking confidently

forward to the next election, I

think Julia Gillard will be elected

as - at that election as Prime

Minister and Wayne Swan as Deputy

Leader. Thank you ladies and

gentlemen. Does that transition seem

to happen straight away. Thank you,

ladies and gentlemen, they are

matters that will be worked out.

It's not for me to comment

It's not for me to comment on those matters. Thank you very much. Thank

you. Thank you. Thank you. They are

matters for the executive to sort

out. They are not matters for me as

returning officer. Thank you, thank

you, thank you ladies and gentlemen.

I think Anthony Albanese will be out

to speak to you very soon. Mike

foreShaw confirming that Julia

Gillard is the new Prime Minister of

Australia this morning. Elected

unopposed. Kevin Rudd stood down and

aid ai kording to the returning

officer, made a gracious speech as

did our new Prime Minister, Julia

Gillard. He said Anthony Albanese

will be out to address the media,

very shortly. Kochie, the result

that everybody was saying would

happen but like I said, this time

yesterday, who new? Who

yesterday, who new? Who knew? We saw

Parliament, this would be the last

sitting day. I've got a question for

you and Nat as the ladies on the

Sunrise team. A very historic day,

Australia's first female Prime

Minister. It is a wonderful piece of

history. But how important is it for

the female vote in Australia that

the sisterhood, if

the sisterhood, if you like for want

of a better description will get

behind Julia Gillard? Is it a matter

of gender or is it a matter of

of gender or is it a matter of who is the best person to be the

is the best person to be the next Prime Minister? I can only speak for

me personally. I think we are mature

enough to look beyond the gender and

see who we think will be the best

person for the job. I will ask Nat

in just a tick but let's check in

with John. This is John, Julia

Gillard's father.

facing an add ver situate that is Dealing with contemporary issues,

formidible, a very tight - I

it will be a clean election. I formidible, a very tight - I think

it will be fought on issues that it will be a clean election. I hope

confront the country that it not be

a race to the bottom of the barrel

as it were. Tell us, you are now the

first ever parents of a female Prime

Minister? The first ever parents of

a Deputy Prime Minister, now the

first ever parents of the Prime

Minister. Overseas born, Welsh born,

yes, so all of these things, yes.

It's - the mind just wheels and

boggles. She will go to an election

shoon. Do you think she can Wayne Of

course. What is its it like to have course. What is its it like to

been the mother of the Australia's

first female Prime Minister? I

haven't got round to that yet. I

don't know. You must be proud?

do you feel. You obviously feel don't know. You must be proud? How

proud. A bit churning up you know.

It's a great step

in it country. It is. - Excited. It's a great step forward for women

Taken you by as much surprise as

everybody else in the country. Has

it taken you by as much surprise as

it has every one else in the one

trichlt you wouldn't have expected

this yesterday morning. Look, you

know, while n our wildest dreams, we wouldn't have

wouldn't have anticipated anything

like this. As I say we came here, we

had modest aims. Work hard, do our

best for our family, educate our

kids and what happened afterwards,

but we were very early in the piece,

Julia's scholarship and leadership

potential was there. She sat on the

board of Adelaide University,

everybody was picking up that this

lady was a formidible person of high

intellectual standing. So Julia, in

whatever endeavour would have risen

to the top, I think or certainly to

a quite a strong position. She is a

unique, hard working passionate

good driven by noble ideals, want to do

good things for the country and

hoping that these would be shared

dreams with others, that they will

unite now yind Julia, that will go

to a very close heart fought

election as a united Labor Party led

by first ever female Prime Minister.

What would you say to Julia.

by first ever female Prime Minister. What would you say to Julia. We are

hearing from. Aren't they just

delightful. John and Moyra Gillard,

our new Prime Minister's proud

parents. Listing her

characteristics. I love it that he

was listing all the things she is a

first at. First Deputy Prime

Minister, female. He said first

Welsh born, now first female Prime

Minister to lead this country.

Obviously very, very proud mum and

dad John and Moira there. Isn't it

wonderful? No matter how old you

are, to your mum and dad, you are

still there little girl or boy? I

think it's just terrific. That's

what Australia and families are all

about? It's wonderful to see how

proud they are. We can see Stephen

Smith. Just hang on a tick. Smith. Just hang on a tick.. He kept

going. Nice smile, lovely to see you

all and they kept walking. Alright.

We are waiting. We will keep an

on it to see who comes out and who We are waiting. We will keep an eye

is going to speak. What do you

think, Mark Riley, will we have a

media konches r conversation from

the new Prime Minister very shortly?

Do you think she will address the

media. She will x probably within

the next couple of hours. Wasn't that touching her mother, literally

speechless. So overwhelmed. I am

Sure they would know their daughter

is a person of drive and ambitous.

That has been realised help highest

level. The traditional Mel from here

s that Julia Gillard will go back to

her office. She will be surrounded

by her supporters as we walks out of

that Caucus room. She will

that Caucus room. She will give Kevin Rudd sometime to clean out

his. She will make some phone calls.

She will steady with her advisors and they

and they will map out the key

messages, the first speech is a very

important one. That will be delivered in

delivered in the Labor Caucus room

at a media conference, I would

imagine before lunch time and in

that she will map out the direction

that she wants to take the Labor

Party and she will say I believe,

very firmly, that she is not a

puppet of the faceless men. She is

the very visible female face, new

female face of the Labor Party andpm

ship. We have talked about when the

election will be held, do you think

she will delay that as long as

possible in order to gain some

ground? And if so, how long can we

go before the election has to be

called. It's A decision in two, the strategists from the Labor Party will be looking at the initial

polling. If Julia Gillard gets a

sharp lift in the polls, they will

be looking at get to go an election

sooner rather than later. If there

isn't much movement, I think there

will ab lot of scratching of heads

and perhaps we will be waiting a bit

longer. What is the window do you

know? Well, they have to have an

election before April. The

complications are the

complications are the Victorian State elections early next year -

sorry late this year and

sorry late this year and the New South Wales State elections in March

next year. So, there are very

defined windows there for the

government to call an election.

Probably the best time is August

September, one weekend in September,

two in October available. After

that, they get a bit dodgy. So, I

mean the inclination will be to go

around that time. If the polls are

favourable, earlier rather than

later. We will keep asking you that.

If you are jous joining, you are

watching Sunrise. We do have confirmation this morning, Julia

Gillard is the new Prime Minister of

Australia. Kevin Rudd stood down

this morning. It was only one

nomination so basically there was no

ballot required. Michael for

ballot required. Michael Forshaw

came out and spoke to the media here

is what he had to say.

Wayne Swan will be the Deputy Prime

Minister of Australia. Can I

interrupt. The each of the people

elected as well as Prime Minister

Rudd spoke to the Caucus. I don't

wish to canvas what they said. I

will leave it for those members to

report as they feel fit to do so.

The meeting was conducted in a very

orderly Yes, I can say it was a very

gracious speech by the Prime

Minister. And also, by the new

leader and Deputy Leader. Was there

any display of ee

any display of emotions from

any display of emotions from the Prime Minister? I think that was

obviously. There was no ballot

because there was only one

nomination for both positions. Was

there any display of emotion from

the Prime Minister? This has been a

difficult time for the Prime

Minister. It has been a difficult

time for the party. I will leave it

to the Prime Minister, Mr Kevin

to the Prime Minister, Mr

to the Prime Minister, Mr Rudd, to

make further comments. I don't wish

to comment other than to say that he

led us to victory in 2007, a victory

that was achieved when many people

thought that you know, we

thought that you know, we would still be spending more years in

opposition. That is a great

achievement. He did that with Julia

Gillard as the Deputy Leader. We now

have a new team and I'm

forward and looking confidently forward to the next election. I

think Julia Gillard will be elected

to that election as Prime Minister and Wayne Swan as Deputy Prime

Minister. Thank you, ladies and

gentlemen. Is that official

transition going to happen straight

away. Thank you very much.

away. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen. They

and gentlemen. They are matters that will be worked out. It's not for

will be worked out. It's not for me to comment on those hatters. Thank

you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

Making the announcement moments ago.

We are still keeping an eye

We are still keeping an eye on those who are coming out of the awe kus

room. After the vote this morning.

Michael said tl said it was quite an

ordinarily meeting. The emails we

have got so diseven

have got so diseven franchised Labor

metres of the. She has a lot of ALP

voters to win back. Yes, absolutely.

I think look, it is very easy when

you are polled between elections to

give a free kick to the incumbent,

the Prime Minister. But when it

comes to voting day and you look at

all the alternatives, you weigh it

up rkts and give it your full

thought, often that changes and but

- here comes Julia Gillard now.

Let's see what she has to say to the media.

We are watching her. She is sort of wandering along. We

wandering along. We have got cameras

on her. We will waintd see as she

makes her way down the corridor

whether she will address them now or

make the decision to go and collect

her thoughts and address them at a media media conference very shortly. Of course, Julia Gillard our new Prime

Minister, Wayne

Minister, Wayne Swan, her deputy

this morning and you can kind of see

her there behind

her there behind - a little more

grim faced than when she walked in. Riles, do you think she will say

anything. Riles, do you think she will say

anything.? I don't think so Mel. I

think she will wait for a press

conference a little bit later on.

There you have the team behind Julia

Gillard, the person alongside her,

Wayne Swan, obviously a significant

figure in her rise to the

leadership. In changing from Kevin

Rudd's camp.

How do you feel to make history I

feel very honoured and I will be

making a few statements later. You

were right, she said she feels very honoured and she

honoured and she will make a statement very shortly. There is

probable allot to absorb for her as

well as the rest of us. It's not

just the Canberra gallery, that is

shocked but our viewers. Riles, a

lot of Prime Ministers goes, new

premiership and leaders go through a

honeymoon period. This glow for the

first 100 days or so. Do you think

that's going to be important

that's going to be important for Julia Gillard? Her settling in? And

this healing process that Mel talks

about? Absolutely, Kochie. In fact,

probably more important than it

normally is from the ten or of the

email that is we are getting this

morning. There is a lot of healing

to do out there where it really

matters in voter land. I think Julia

Gillard will attempt to start that

heeling process straight away with

her address to the press calorie

later this morning. Setting out some

markers about

markers about the sort of leader she will be. I am sure she will be

gracious about Kevin Rudd's time gracious about Kevin Rudd's time as Prime gracious about Kevin Rudd's time as

Prime Minister, about delivering

Labor to power after 13 years of

Coalition rule and then set out her

vision for the Labor going forward. She

She has a lot of things on her plate. They will happen very

quickly. She needs to be - well, not

insignificantly set a date

insignificantly set a date with the

Governor-General to be officially

sworn in. Then she has to think

about her frontbench, about her

ministry, what sort of changes does

she make there. I think the

inclination will be not to make

whole sale changes but to try and

retain most of the team together

because there will be an election very shortly and practically you

don't want people getting around -

getting their heads around new big

portfolio areas just before an

election campaign. Riles a lot of

the faction leaders that brought

this on, some of them are a bit

disgrunt willed that they didn't

have sore portfolios. Obviously

there will be pay back for them,

there will be pay back for them, the Bill Shortens of the world, the Mark

Arbibs, those sorts of people. You

would think would get promotioning,

wouldn't you? Yes, if not straight

away, then certainly very shortly.

It's the - that's the belief of

those people. I mean, politics is a

game of self interest.

We are just watching former Prime

Minister Kevin Rudd as he leaves,

very grim faced there and he is

walking out of course. Julia Gillard

walked out moments ago with Wayne

Swan beside her, Senator Fawkner

walking with Kevin Rudd as they are

leaving. What will he do now Mark

Riley and we are seeing John

Faulkner walking with him, what is

the significance of that It's hugely

significant in terms of Labor

tradition, Mel. John Faulkner is

certainly one of certainly one of the Labor Party

members of the existing crop who are

deeply I am Beaued with the Labor

tradition. You could suspect that he

was behind Kevin Rudd right up to

the end but maybe the person who told Kevin Rudd that the writing

watt the wall and the best thing for

him to do was stand down and allow the him to do was stand down and allow

the bloodless coup that bee talked about this morning rather

about this morning rather than to put himself through the humiliation

of being comprehensively voted out

as Prime Minister. So that is

significant. But for Julia Gillard,

I think the issues now that Kevin

Rudd was dealing with and struggling

with in recent

with in recent weeks now all come

across her desk and not tomorrow,

today. They will be there when she

gets back to her office. So she

needs to position the Labor Party to

find its voice and to reconnect with

its heartland and to find a new

direction on significant policy

areas very quickly to bring the

party together and that doesn't just

mean the party within this place

here, but the broader party and to

provide new direction and new provide new direction and new life in the

in the polls for the Labor Party. Given that she was deputy, she would

be across everything. What do you

think? What changes will she have to

make? You mentioned earlier there

was a couple of key policy issues

that had really lost that had really lost voters, the reason that Kevin Rudd changed his

mind on those and that's what pretty

much tipped him over the

much tipped him over the edge as far

as opinion polls going. The mining

tax, sum seekers, the ETS? I am not

sure that she will abandon the

mining tax all together because

Wayne Swan who has a lot personally

invested in there alongside her as

the Deputy Leader now, so, that will

be quite a hit for him. But, perhaps

we will see more of a compromise

position from the government on that

mining tax. I think the key area is

the asylum seeker issue and for

Labor to make a new stand on that.

There is a lot of pressure within

the Labor Party for their leadership

to take a tougher stand against

asylum seekers. At least at the

rhetoric end, in terms of policy,

there are about as tough as you can

go frankly at the moment, there is

not much between them and Tony not much between them not much between them and

not much between them Tony not much between them

not much between them Tony Abbott.

Kevin Rudd said last night said

would not do that. I think we can Kevin Rudd said last night said he say by ee oe mission that Julia

Gillard has told the party that she

will do that. So I think that's one

significant policy area. She needs

also to get the message going again

on health care. Health care is a big

ticket item. We are talking about $ ticket item. We are talking about

$30 odd billion of investments just

recently and the message is no where

tore seen. So, Julia Gillard, a

former health spokesman will want to

get back on to that ground,

education to win that debate. She is

still struggling there with public

opinion over whether the money has

been spent wisely in what they call

the b

the ber, the school halls program so

she will have to get that message

established and also, on

established and also, on broader

social policy where she will take

the party. Do you think we will hear

from Tony Abbott this morning? We

will but I think he will fairly

brief. This is not a day for

day for opposition opposition leaders and it's not a

might be sitting in his office today day for opposition grandstanding. He

thinking you know, that old adage

about be careful for what you wish.

They might would liked

at the leadership level in Labor. We They might would liked instability

have moved into the realms of the

unknown. He might have felt a bit of

confidence going up against Kevin

Rudd with the way the polls are

going, he will be wondering where

the electorate goes now whether they

come in behind screwing or whether

the polls stay tuck where they are.

You've got a man, who time is not let's say struggles with You've got a man, who a lot of the

the female vote up against a very

strong woman Yeah, you would like to

think, that Mel particulars. It was about the think, that Mel wasn't about toll

ability of the individual to do the

job. Inevitably because Julia

that glass Gillard is the first woman to smash

highest position in the land, there that glass sealing and to take the

will be focus on that. It would be

dumb, very dumb of Tony Abbott to

play hard ball gender politics and I

don't think he will do that. I don't

think he will try and match Julia

Gillard she is a woman, he isn't. I

think he needs to accept that and

let the cards fall where they will

on gender issues. Sophie Black, with

crikey is in Melbourne. Soy, you are

still with me. Can you hear me.

do you think on this whole gender still with me. Can you hear me. What

issue and the fact we have been

saying all morning, our first

Prime Minister? Do you think as saying all morning, our first female

women, we have sort of moved beyond

Prime Minister that, OK, she is our first female that, OK, she is our first

Prime Minister there that, OK, she is our first female

politics and now our Prime Minister. about that. But she is also a Prime Minister there is no doubt

come Do you think the female issue will

we will move on from today? I come up continually or do you think

we will most definitely move on. I we will move on from today? I think

think it is a very historic moment.

I think we all suspected that this

day would come, just not under these

circumstances. I think the general

consensus was that Kevin Rudd would

eventually hand over in a quite

civilised manner to Gillard.

Wouldn't Cling to power for an

endless amount of terms the way John

Howard did. But given that this has

happened under these circumstances,

I really think the female issue will

no