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(generated from captions) Tonight on Stateline, as

supporters and opponents of

desalination harden their

views, what are the pros and

cons of the state's biggest

infrastructure project. Our

community is really voicing a

number of concerns that all

Victorians should share. And

Victorians should share. And

do changes to the make-up of

the VFL spell trouble for

Victoria's second tier football

competition. If too many stand

alone it destroys the

credibility of vol.. Hello and

welcome to Stateline I am Kathy

Bowlen. Victoria's Water

Minister Tim Holding has had a

tough week justifying the

government's decision to build

government's decision to build

its first desalination plant on

a pristine stretch of coastline

in Kilcunda in Gippsland. The

est infrastructure development project will be Victoria's big

but the way the government

announced the site wougt any

consultation has gar nered

locals into a campaign. The

objections are falling on deaf

ears. Today Mr Holding is

confident the desalination

plant will go ahead in

Kilcunda, with or without a

environmental impact study.

Cheryl Hall reports. We have We

started coming down here in the

mid 70s in our old Kombi van

and we used to go to Phillip

Island and we one day turned

left at the Anderson roud about

and we saw the coast with no

crowds and we have been surfing

ever since and fishing and my

sons suffer here. Mike

Neighbour capital believe the

State Government would choose

this spot to build/'s first desalination plant of the We

have been told it will be up to

hectares so we are talking 5 stories high, it is 40

about a

Australia's biggest about a huge plant.

infrastructure project xgt when

you come over that hill at

Kilcunda you can see this whole

coastline and there is just no

way you can hide a plant of

that size. Tests drilling and

sur - vur surveiling is well

underway. The plant will be

built somewhere between the

sand dines and the

sand dines and the flood plain.

Tony and Virginia Eke's report

is next door. I was working

over in the shed and a car

pulled up and I saw two people

in business suits get out of

the car. They indicated to me

to my shock and horror they

desalination were going to be build be a

desalination plant. That was

humungus and it just - I was

speechless, I cried. The first

stage of theirs 50 bed resort

is nearly finished. It may now

look out on a massive factory.

It starts off about on line

with the winter vines over

there and would be about over

to that pole.

to that pole. It's equivalent

to three and a half times the

length of the MCG. It had to

halt everything at this point.

We are committed to finishing

these five units that are

behind us and because we are

building contract to do that.

So we will finish those. But

now we are looking at it and

saying, well, how tranquick and

peaceful is it going to, how

pristine is it? To make

matters worse, the water won't

benefit Gippsland, it will be

used by Melbourne. (Chant) The

job of selling the project to j of selli g the project to job of selling the project to

the locals has been left to new

Water Minister Tim Holding who

got a rowdy reception when he

met with the Inaki Basauri

met with the Inaki Basauri -

Bass Shire Council and local

representatives this week. Our

community is voicing all

concerns that all Victorians

should share and ha is about

the impact that this very

energy intent ive plan will

have on greenhouse emissions

and secondly on the future cost

could be as much as five times of water which I understand

what people are now pawing. 12

months ago desalination was

Victorian Government. very low priority for the

Victorian Government. At the

sat election 10 months ago it

focussed on recycling and

conserving water. So the

announcement of a $3 billion

desalination plant came as a

big shock to the community. We

have asked what has happened

over the space of a matter of

months to go for something that

should have been vegtded to a

solution of Melbourne's water

fly. This say total back flip

of the policy of 2005 and we

don't believe they have a

mandate to introduce a plant of

this size. But the decision to

built a desalination plant for

Melbourne is well overdue.

Professor John Langford is the

head of several water

authorities and is now the

university joint head of the mon yash

university taskforce. There is

no doubt in my mind Australia

is in a very serious water

crisis. If what we are

experiencing now is a climate

change, and as this dry

sequence continues, the

probability of that increases,

then we are in really serious

trouble. Nearly every

Australian capital city is

planning to build a

desalination plant. Perth is

about to build its second

about to build its second

plant, Melbourne, Adelaide,

Sydney and the Gold Coast are

planning their first. In

Victoria, it's now 11 years

since the state has seen normal

rain fall lels. And

Melbourne's Reservoir s are

down to an average of 39%.

Profess Professor Langford

says the state needs a water

supply that doesn't rely on

supply that doesn't rely on

rainfall We need insurance and

giving the consequences of

seriously drawing those down we

can't afford to take a risk.

The State Government has said

the plant will use renewable

energy but it is yet to

announce exactly high. The

Bass Shire Council maintains

the area at least deserves a

environmental effects study.

We are talking about a plant that is going to

that is going to develop water

at the rate of 150 gig litres,

so that's an awful lot of water

that is going to be turned

over. We understand that the

daily waste from the plant will

total something like 80 tonnes.

But the Water Minister says in

an EES will only go ahead if

the planning minister decides

it is necessary. There is a

legs lative criteria as to

The minister for whether an EES is required.

The minister for planning is

required to determine whether

that legislative criteria has

been met and he does it not

based on plucking something out

of the air he does it based on

scientific studies that are

provided to him by me. And any

hopes local residents had of

moving the plant seem remote.

The site first identified at

Kilcunda as long ago

Kilcunda as long ago as 1975 by

the Hamer Government, seems

locked in We have got the site

at Kilcunda which is what we

are subjects to those studies

at the moment. We believe we

have no trouble identifying a

suitable parcel there for the

establishment of Victoria's

desalination plant. There is

no doubt desalination is going

to be a crucial part of

Victoria's water three but the

state government has some hard selling to

selling to do to convenience

local residents that it won't

destroy tourism and their lily

hoods. Told Tim Holding who is

holding the portfolio of

tourism and water which would

seem to me to be fairly uneasy

bed follow, he is not a tall

man, his shoulders are big

enough to handle the

responsibility and obligations of both of

of both of those portfolios.

Cheryl Hall rofrting there.

Overshadowed by the build-up to

moment's AFL Grand Final

another football story has been

unfolding in Victoria over the

past two weeks. Involving the

states second tier

competition,s VFL. It started

with one of the AFL's most

powerful teams Collingwood

announcing it would follow

Geelong's example and stand its

own time in the VFL next year.

For a competition that has

always been something of a

compromise some are asking if

it could be the beginning of a

trend with the potential to leave Victoria's foundation

clubs on the outer. Martin

might run and bounce the ball for example, we would

for example, we would be really

strong in encouraging him to do

that. We don't care if he

makes a my take. 20-year-old

irrishman chark Clark is one of

the fairly tale story Is to

come out of the Alf this year.

But His first real taste of

Australian rules was playing

Wilson and allows the Irishman

to find his feet and place in the Collingwood side must

the Collingwood side must at

teams have stretched the

patience of Williamstown coach

Brad Gotch This is the person

who works as the coach of

Williamstown. We have match

commit economy at the club.

Gotchy then goes down to his

Williamstown match committee

and works through that. It

would be a fairly tricky

process for Gotchy. Joo none in the second quarter so far.

He has got it? In support we

are often tolds that winners

are grinners, losers can please

themselves but in Victoria's

second tier competition, the

VFL, equation is not so simple.

The system which sees all but

two VFL clubs partnered by one wo VFL clubs partnered by one

two VFL clubs partnered by one

of the 10 Victorian based AFL

teams means coaches are often

asked to serve two masters. Winning in the

Winning in the second tooefr

level is not a priority at all

to us. Playing the players in

the positions and getting the development the best we possibly can that is our highest priority and that is

where sometimes it creates

problems. As this year's VFL

season drew to a close those

problems drew to a head. In a

way that will reshape football

in Victoria. After a 7 year

association with Williamstown.

Collingwood announced it will

stand its own team in the VFL

next year It is a critical team

for Collingwood as well. We

have got a good young bunch of

really talented players and we

want to make sure that that

second tier competition we are

part of is giving them the

perfect preparation to, you

know, get the best out of their

AFL careers. The break with

AFL careers. The break with

Williams town was by all

account the amicable but the

second VFL split was much more

messy. Werly was wonders what

went wrong after being dumped

by the Western Bulldogs. The

we were shocked and extremely

disappointed that the Bulldogs

had had made this decision. As

of Monday we only received

clarification of their for

clarification of their for r

form yag decision. There will

been some discussions primarily

round the dwo. Their players

but we thought those matter hs

been addressed. Both decisions

grew out of the fact that the

VFL competition is essentially

a marriage of convenience. 7

years ago the Victorian AFL

clubs were struggling with the

expense of fileding a reserves

team and then the VFA teams

were just plain struggling. By pay ing up both

pay ing up both sides stood to

gain but while they save money,

the partnerships have been

plagued to varying degrees by

trying to satisfy very

different sets of

priorities. What happens on

Saturday afternoon between 2

and 5 can actually manage. The

coach has got to worry about

what is happening on the

ground, trying to win the game.

They would like players to play

certain positions.

certain positions. If ke can

provide that we certainly will

but we won't do that as a

compromise to win football.

Phil Cleary says the t is the

fobl clubs who come off second

best. Even after we have

accepted the partnership s.

With sle served them well what

do they do. They kick us in

the guts. The only AFL club

currently fielding a stand alone

alone team in the VFL is

Geelong, a strategy that has

paid handsome di dividends.

Steven King. Doing his own

roving. Looking possibly for a

place in AFL Grand Final team.

Tomorrow, king will lined up Tomorrow, king will lined up

for his second Grand Final in

as many weeks after being

recalled to the senior side. I

don't think there is any doubt

that Geelong has got a very

strong second tier team and you

look at the fact Geelong has

got so much young players

coming through or players not

making the senior side into a

team that is full of talent and

there is lot of pressure for

performance and too hold your position. They have got position. They have got a

pretty good forma. It is a

form formula Collingwood is

egger to follow, the the snekd

Swans have not lost a game in their

their local competition in

three years and are considering

a switch to the VFL. The

Victorian clubs no doubt will

be watching closely for any

advantage the move might give

their rivals. The Victorian teams are watching

teams are watching closely too.

Most will struggle to survive

if their AFL partners decide to

go it a alone. We are vary of

it. Those clubs will have to

make the decision that is best

for themselves. I am not sure

where it will leave the VFL

clubs, if we are competing

against the Collingwoods and

others. It surely spells danger, Collingwood has

danger, Collingwood has the

money, they can do it but if

other clubs are flush enough to

be able to do it and they

follow suit, the whole thing is

blown out of the water. You

have really got two competitions running within the

one competition and it won't

last. You know, if they all

feel they are better served by

standing alone, it puts emore

news pressure on whether the

covertition is viable. - cover

contingencies is viable. That

is without doubting. The head

of AFL Victoria shab shab shab

says it - Peter Schwab says it

could look at the number of

teams. Mental the argument is

do we have the right to

restrict the competition to X

amount of teams and do we have

the right to maybe, if they

want to play in the competition

to set the fee alta level which

might make it difficult for a

lot of teams financially to do

so, In the meantime Werribee is

pushing AFL Victoria to put

more direct spour to the

involve clubs to ease the

aleans. Without it, next year

could be more about survival

than gloriy in September. We

will do what we can, we have

always been competitive. I

know that the community will

rally no matter what decision

the club makeses. Well, the

adult Parole Board often comes

under extreme krit siflt for -

criticism for releasing violent

prisoners who have served their

time. Its decisions are tough

and the consequences of getting

it wrong can be dire. It is a

delicate balancing act judging

whether a criminal is

rehabilitated and ready to

resume life in the community.

Justice Murray Kellam has been

head of the Parole Board for

five years and is about to step

down. Stateline interviewed

the judge on the eve of his

departure. Justice Kellham,

the public perception is that

the Parole Board is soft on

crime. I am not sure that is

the public perception. I

accept you can read some

newspapers and listen to some

talkback radio and here news of

that type expressed. But we

hear a lot from victims and we

hear from other people who are

satisfied with the way the

board operates because they

understand it. One of the

problems I think we have in

terms of perception is that

very often the media, and

others do not really understand

what parole is all about. It

is just not there as a reward for prisoners who have done

well in prison and get a soft

break to get out. It is there

to protect the community.

Don't you think that people do

actually understand that, but

sometimes just think you have

got it wrong? Well, we have to

work within the sentence. But

our position is this - that if

they go to the end at 15 years,

and walk out the gait, they

don't have supervision, we

can't tell them where to live,

we can't stop them from

entering some suburbs, we can't

put curfews on them. We can't

have them drug tested. Now,

they are the sort of conditions

we put on people on who leave

on parole. If they have

behaved themselves in prich, if

they have done the sort of

programs we think they should

do, we think it is in the

community interest to let them

out into the community but if

you like with a rope around

their ankle and that rope could

be curfews, often long curfews

from 6pm to 8am. All sorts of

other conditions can apply.

One of the things that has had

very little community debate,

the extended supervision

orders. How do you read those

prisoners that are too

dangerous to be let out and yet

they finished their term?

Well, how do we read them?

There are people who the Parole

Board deals with and refuse

parole to because they haven't

done prop ray ate programs or

they have conducted themselves

in prison in such a manner that

they are real concern. Now,

the legislation now has in a

section of offenders, those who

commit sex offences against

children now has a facility for

extending supervision orders in

respect to those people. This

is something that's been looked at in New Zealand, Queensland,

it has been the subject of a

High Court decision, and it is

really a matter for government

how they deal with T my concern about it is, it is a fundamental shift in our sentencing process, that

somebody gets another sentence

if you like, at the end of

their sentence, but that's a

matter for the community and

legislature to decide. My real

concern about the way in which

the extended supervision orders

are operating in Victoria is

that we are warehousing people.

We currently have I think 11 people who are the subject of

an order, who are not living in

the community but, in fact,

living at Ararat prison and

where we are warehousing them

and that is not in the

community interest. What do

you mean when you mean we are

warehousing We can keeping them

detained without providing

education, work, opportunities

for rehabilitation in any real and extensive way. So I mean,

you can warehouse people, you

can prevent them from being a

danger to the public by in

effect locking them up but you

are not achieving much in the

community interest,

particularly if they were young

offenders who really need

intensive care, treatment,

counseling. So what you are

saying is that people currently

under extended supervision

orders in Victoria are still

locked up but have nothing to

do ? Yes. In many ways ... Do

they have access to all the

prison facilities, the gyms and

the gardens. No, they are not

in prison, they are in the

community but liing under supervision in prison

circumstances. They are not in

the community ridz either are

they? No they have a fence

around them. They do visit

various places shopping once a

week or to the sex offenders

program in Carlton once every

two or three weeks but most of

the time they are in a compound

and my real concern is not so

much the old resid visit

offender, that is a matter for

the community, what decisions

they make about them but I

don't see any ben fit in

putting a 21-year-old or people

are intellectual disability in

with that group of people in a

compound. Those people would

really be better off in prison

than so-called in the community

and it is a matter of community

is going to have to deal with.

It is a difficult issue, as I

say there-I think there are 11

now in that situation, that

legislation is only been going

about 18 months, and there are

16 orders have been made and we

can anticipate we night have 30

or 40 people in this situation

in a year or two or three down

the track. So, we have to face

up to the facts that this is a

difficult problem and the

community needs to discuss it.

You have been chair of the

Parole Board now, the adult

Parole Board for five years,

have you had any regrets in

that time. I have had no regrets in the position itself.

It is onerous, ... I mean

... Yes, well there are - decisions or judgments, there

are judgment calls that you can

make that prove, with the

benefit of what takes place

later, not to have been

correct. So, have you had

people out on parole and then

they have re-offended in a way

that has been really horrific?

I think probably during my

time as chairman we have had a

number. Not so many , but one

is too many from where I sit.

And, to get a phone call at

night to tell you something has

gone seriously wrong by

somebody who has been paroled

is a pretty unpleasant phone

call. So one is too many but,

in general s I think we get it

as right as we can get it in

what is an imperfect system.

We are deeng with - dealing

with human beings. Thanks for

you time. Justice Kellham. As

we go to air tonight a troupe

of Aboriginal children

commenced the premier at Melbourne's Malthouse Theatre

of a provocative dance

production called 'Kin'.

Directed by Stephen Page of the

internationally aclaimed

Bangarra Dance Company, 'Kin'

has a strong message about the

hazards of the modern world for Indigenous youths who lose

pride in their culture,

traditions and family. Or

'Kin'. The offstage the

members of this lively young

cast have some pretty strong

advice for their peers. Greg

Hoy has the story. Very bad

thing, very bad thing ratism.

And especially to us because

we have got skin colour and

everything. Everyone's the

same. They just need to know

it themselves because if they

get all that crap from - no

offence, white people well then

they have got that in their

head they think, I am black,

crap, I am not going to do

anything about it? I can't get a job.


reckon we should learn our own

languages like Aboriginal

languages, and like we should

be learning our own cultural

dance. 'Kin' by the way means

family and coming together. So

the story is about actions of

other people bringing them

down. Bringing them to do bad

things. So, drugs, abuse Iran

- abusive language or anything

like that and then trying to

cleanse themselves because they

know they have done something

wrong and try to cleanse

themselves and like, reborn themselves as a new person

around get all that drug and

alcohol out of your system.

Drinking and fighting and

yelling and things that could

happen, that is what alcohol

does to your body and we

prevent that with this show

because this show could - if

you come watch it you could

- Change your lifestyle.

Change the way you live.

Change the way you live. I

want to come to Melbourne and

see like a black fella working.

Like working on the street

instead of drinking or young

kid playing basketball instead

of sniffing. I Not just

wasting their lives over

nothing. At least a sport or

anything. Write a book.

Instead of sniffing paint, why

don't you paint, you know.

What do you hope to do in your

lives? I hope to succeed.

Yeah, I hope to succeed. I

would like to do what the show

is talking about, like helping

Indigenous kids not to get into

trouble, not to do drugs, not

to be racist, just live normal

and stuff. I want to have a

lot of money basically. You

have got money you have got

power, everything. You have

got money you have got

everything. So a lot of money

would be good for me, yeah.


That report was come - kol

piled by roi Greg Hoy. Ken

'Kin' kin is on at the

Malthouse to 6 October. Our

email address is on our website

and so are the transcripts of

the program. We leave you with

scenes from Camperdown in

south-west Victoria this week

where much to the dlat of

protester, the log council

backed down on plans to chop

down and replace sections of

the town's historic avenue of

elms. We will be back next

Friday after the news, see you



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