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and welcome to State Focus. Good afternoon as we take a close look Great to have your company in the region this week. at what's been happening Debate has risen again to govern in the ACT-- over the numbers needed do we need more politicians? Former Chief Minister Kate Carnell on that subject. has some very strong views and wife swim team We'll meet a husband preparing for the Commonwealth Games, weekend's Rally of Canberra two of the drivers in next and more ahead of us in State Focus. news of more industry closures But first to the south coast where and job losses is causing concern. of the paper mills, The latest being a partial closure ninety eight production jobs contractors are affected. and a further twenty one of economic development Greg Pullen is in charge for the Shoalhaven City Council. Greg, welcome to State Focus. Welcome Phil. did that come out of the blue? Greg, that news from the paper mills, you were expecting? Or was that something I think it probably was inevitable. mill has been troubled Over twenty or more years the paper

costs, and also the cost of imports by cost of expenditure, production places, China, and - from Indonesia and other to compete on the world stage. and very hard for them three big ticket items Well lets just take a look at those where the job losses have hit. Australian paper, 120 jobs;

Gates Rubber, 130; Dairy Farmers, 80; it really impacts When you put those numbers together, measurably doesn't it? on the Shoalhaven quite problem is the lack of confidence It does. I think part of the major Coast and specifically around Nowra. that is in the economy of the South But they're not for a common theme. loss of production to overseas, You know, in the case of Gates, the will go off shores. costings, and those jobs In the case of the Dairy Company, rationalisation. it was really a corporate announcement - the paper mill - In the case of this latest other words to try and stay they're really slicing the jobs, in the jobs can be retained in country on top of their costs, and so that that currently exist at Nowra but it's only half the jobs that are going. will continue, Their speciality papers lines specialisation in those aspects, and hopefully, with more even that business might grow. Something new on the horizon, said no to the goal, Wingecarribee Shire Council have which leaves Shoalhaven City Council, to build the new goal? is Shoalhaven still in the running We are still in the running. that's council, We will be putting forward, a statement of willingness. will be putting forward community a goal could be located, We feel within our economy and our spouses of those jobs and partners, We could accommodate 200 jobs, the and jobs in our area. they could find accommodation in Shoalhaven, Given the job situation to get an industry like the goal? has that made it more urgent lookout for developments I think that we're always on the and long term sustainable jobs which will create jobs is able to do. and that's what this definitely circumstances I think in our current of these job closures, where we had notification happen in the middle of this year, and they were all starting to had to strive very hard yes, we were very conscious that we to try to achieve this. those things, Greg, Speaking of trying to achieve mini summits coming up. I understand you've got a series of which people can go to, There's a website that's in tourism, health, ageing, They list a series of mini-summits

and defence. public service, general industry expect much to come out of those? Those sorts of initiatives - do you We conducted an economic strategy, of government - last year. - that's the three levels certain industry sectors We came up with that there were specialisation in, that we really do have a in the Shoalhaven, and the exercise was identified into those industries that we should drill down these mini summits. and that's what we're doing with BlueprintShoalhaven, industries that we're good at, is about looking at those industries and create more jobs how can we then expand on those and economic activity. touch with you on those, Well Greg, we'd like to keep in come out of them, just to see what sort of activities of time today. but I'm afraid we're out for your time once again. Thanks very much Thankyou Phil. John Stanhope wants more jobs To the ACT now where Cheif Minister for politicians in Canberra. Minister seeking approval He set to approach the Prime members for the ACT assembly. to increase the number of elected this issue has been raised. It's not the first time is opposed to any additional MLA's. A former Chief Minister Kate Carnell, She joins a proponent of the plan, journalist, Ben Doherty, Canberra Times political over an ACT government Well Kate Carnell, you presided for many, many years. Do we need a bigger parliament? Look I don't think we do. the people that we've got We need to utilise a whole lot better than we do. government certainly are apart Currently the nine people in of governing the ACT, of the whole procedure really I think, But the people who aren't there,

and could be used better. are under-utalised significantly ministers for 330 000 people. Seventeen members and five Too many you reckon? and if you do the sums, Look I don't think it's too many, has fewer politicians the ACT actually than anywhere else in Australia. need more though. That doesn't mean we the people we've got. It means we need to utilise from our assembly. We need to get more little bit more involved Allow all of our people to be a than what they are now. Westminster system, Rather than the old straight that if you're not in government, that much of a job you really don't have all in the governing process, really. assembly for the Canberra Times, Ben Doherty, you observe the ACT week after week and watch what's going on, is it a matter of numbers of people? We still have to provide the same amount of services, don't we? Look, it is fundamentally a question of numbers, but look I must disagree with what Kate's got to say. I think when a government - I mean often deride the ACT parliament because it is the smallest in the country, but I think when a parliament's got responsibility for issues as fundamental as things like health and education and the police force, then it needs a measure of accountability that only the Westminster System can provide. So to change from something - I assume Kate's talking about something such as a local government style, a local, council-style government, I don't think that works when the portfolios you're dealing with are as important as hospitals and people's education. Kate, we mentioned local government, it is two tiers isn't it? It's local and state government? Yes. Look it is and that makes it really difficult for the ACT, because you're somewhere in between alot. Not really big enough to be a fully fledged state parliament, or federal parliament, but you've still got to deal with roads, rates and rubbish, which means, to assume that Westminster is the best system, for what - for the ACT, which isn't a normal state government, or a normal federal government I think, that really... I think it's a bit defeatist really. I think we can find a system for the ACT that does utilise our current members better, that does reflect the needs of the people of the ACT. And it might not be just about local government style. I think in Canada, the new Prime Minister's just appointed a non-elected minister. Now I'm not suggesting we go there, I'm suggesting there's lots of ways of looking at increasing our talent pool, increasing the number of people who are involved in government, without just having more politicians, which is almost the simple way out. Let's look for a style of government that suits us. Ben, John Stanhope wants to approach the Prime Minister on this. He's getting backing from the Greens, Brendan Smith hasn't said what he's doing yet. What are you hearing? Look, Brendan Smith has got, I suppose at the moment, other troubles to deal with a little closer to home. I think there are actually two issues in what John Stanhope's looking at. Initially the first question he's asking and fundamentally he's asking the Prime Minister is; asking that the ACT be given control of the size of its own Parliament, and I think on any sort of assessment of self-government, that needs to be granted. I mean, the Northern Territory was given self government as the ACT were. They were given control of their own parliament, and no - I mean, how genuine is self-government if you're not allowed to control how many members and how many politicians you've got? So that's the initial question. Obviously behind that, from a, from Mr Stanhope's point of view, is that he, he would like to see a larger assembly and there's political gain behind that, I imagine he sees five seats, as five - as probably panning out pretty well in the current political climate, as panning out pretty well for his government, so... Kate, you wouldn't make a lot of friends, I guess, in the government, now saying people aren't working hard enough, they can be used better. I'm not saying they're not working hard enough. They're working really hard. The fact is they could be utilised in government... Not working smart enough? I think it's about smart enough. And it's not about what they're choosing to do, it just that, for the people who aren't in those five ministers, lets be fair, John Stanhope could have have more ministers, he does have nine people to choose from if he chose to do that, I think we can utilise members of the opposition, members of the cross benches much better, in possibly executive style committees rather than than the sort of committee structure we've got, but it's about looking at what exists around the world and determining what suits our unique style of government that links local government and state government under one banner with no upper house. By the way, though I do agree that the ACT should have a capacity to choose how many members it has, it shouldn't be something that is determined by the federal government in the Self-Government Act. We need to wrap this right here. But just in a word, what do you think the Prime Minister's attitude will be to an approach from John Stanhope? Look I don't know, but I think the Prime Minister would see the ACT's self government as matured a lot and possibly should have control of its own destiny, in this sense anyway. Ben Doherty, Kate Carnell, thanks for joining us today. Thankyou. Back with more in a moment, including an author with quite a political imagination but could it be based on fact? You're watching State Focus. work of fiction that will have readers wondering just how much fact might have been involved in the research and who some of the characters are meant to be. Gary Hampson has written a book called Light in Dark Corners. Welcome to State Focus Gary. Thanks Phil. I've got to admit, right off the bat, that I've read about the first hundred pages of this, so I can't say I'm a full bottle, but I'm glad I'm speaking to you in that regard, that I haven't read the whole lot, because I don't want to give away the ending. No neither do I, cause otherwise it would spoil the whole thing. How would you describe this book? That's a hard one. Futuristic, political thriller, was sort of what I... Yeah, I can throw those works together, that's about right, in terms - I think it is a page-turner, views of sorts of TV programs that are full of action. Similar with the books. The reason I say futuristic, because in my first hundred pages some of the technology in there with the - what's it called? The I-com? I-com communication... I-com communication system... Which you'd like to have one wouldn't you? Well I would, after reading about this, and things like teleporting and those sorts of things, where did you pick those things up from? Well some... Some are just futuristic thoughts, in terms of where are we going now. It's likely that things will be changing. So you can guess where we might go in terms of miniaturisation of things, but I think that the tele-porting type aspect is actually a major character in the book. And for those people who have been into elevators in Parliament House, in Canberra, they now go side-ways instead of just up and down. Quite right, and there's a nice view while you're standing there. Ok. I often wonder about people. This is your first book - and I often wonder about people who write a first book, and some of these thoughts that come into it, how much of the author is in those things. Much of Gary Hamson in this? A tiny amount I think. You do know yourself well. So there's certain things that I would sort of say, yes that's there. I know I'm organisationally dysfunctional, and so is the main character. I just don't work well in organisations, never have, and that makes me a good advisor. Very quickly, when are we going to see it on the shelves? It's on the shelves as of Monday, February the 20th, in most of the independent bookstores around Canberra, and we're still working with the big chains. Good luck. I think I'll have to read the rest of it now. Light in Dark Corners is the title. Now- the Commonwealth Games are almost upon us - no doubt there'll be a whole host of new names dominating the sporting pages. But there's one old name that I'll be keeping an eye on. Swimmer Adam Pine will be competing in his last Commonwealth Games with quite a supporting cast. His wife Sasha and two children are very much part of Team Pine. Adam and Sasha have joined us today. Welcome to the program. Good morning. Thanks for having us. Last Commonwealth Games, how does that feel? I mean, how many is this now? This is my fourth Commonwealth Games. Yeah, I mean, it feels great. The Commonwealth Games is such a great event. It's something that is just so much fun to be a part of. The community spirit, I guess, the way all the Australian team gels together, and then, you know, the smaller UK teams and the South Africans, the Canadians, it's just a great exciting meet and a real community atmosphere. I guess there's as much excitement about your last one as there is about your first? Because this is it, I've got to get it right this time. Yeah, I mean, I just, you know, I've never thought, you know, going into a meet, this is my last one, but it's probably the first time I've ever had that feeling and I just know it's my time to focus my energies elsewhere, and it is exciting, you know, I've been able to stay motivated in training, being able to throw everything at it, knowing this is my last shot, so it's been very, very positive. And Sasha, I mentioned team Pine, you're very much part of team Pine because you're a former swimmer yourself, so you understand exactly what Adam's going through right here. I do. I know the hard work that he puts in, and, you know, the long hours in the pool, but also, you know, he's got the long hours at home, that he puts in as well, as well as going to work. So yeah. I just think he's amazing. What he's doing. With two children. Is he doing his part of it? He does above and beyond his call of duty. He's been up for every night that I've had with both the children. And he deals all the night time things so... Yeah. He definitely pulls his weight. Adam, you probably winced when I talked about old swimmer, but age 30, and it is old in swimming isn't it? And also as you mentioned, you're holding down a full time job. What are you doing? I work for the Australian Sports Commission, which is great. It has, you know, great similarities to being an elite sportsman. I work more on the grass-root side of sports, so back in the club development side of things. So developing resources and help for grass root sporting clubs, so that they can sort of, you know, survive basically. You, you know, it has great ties to swimming... and yeah, I don't feel like the old man on the swim team. I probably am one of the oldest guys there and, you know, recent history suggests that you shouldn't be still swimming at thirty, but having just done a PB, a few weeks ago at the selection controls, you know, I'm very focused and very happy with how things have been going. Yes, you are swimming so well right at the end of your career aren't you. I mean, that's terrific. For so long you've been in the shadows of the Michael Klims and the Geoff Huegills in the butterfly, - but here you are, Australian champion. Yeah, I think that's really helped me, you know, having those great competitors, you know through the years, the Martin Roberts, the Scott Millers, the Michael Klims and the Geoff Huegills, that really helped me lift my standard from within, and gave me something to strive for, and without those guys I don't think I'd be swimming as fast as I am now. What about you Sasha, when you see this long career coming to an end, and you've been so much a part of it for such a long time, how do you feel about it? Are you keen to see it end, or would you like to see it go a little longer? I've been keen to see the end. I suppose having two small children it's hard when Adam leaves at 5 in the morning and he gets home at 6 at night, it'd be nice to have him there in the morning and the kids miss him - miss seeing him for those hours, in the morning and at night time. They just sort of say good night to him, have an hour or two to play with him, but then, you know, that's it. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to him stopping, but it will be a little bit sad, you know, it's part of our lives, so... It'll be interesting... It doesn't Melbourne either, in a couple of weeks time. You've got a couple of other meets to come after that. Yes, but this is definitely my last year in the sport. I know - before I qualified for Melbourne, I'd already qualified for the World Short Course, in April in Shanghai. So I'm looking forward to that competition. Last time I competed in the World Short Course in Moscow 4 years ago, I did really well, so I'm hoping to go out on a good note there. Well can I say prematurely, congratulations on a wonderful career. All the best for Melbourne, we'd love to see you go out a winner there. And thanks for what you've done for swimming, both of you really. Thankyou. It's been a great ride, and I've thoroughly enjoyed my time in the sport. Well another big event coming up-- a bit closer to home this time, is the Rally of Canberra. A look at that next here on State Focus crews will be setting up in the nation's capital for the annual Subaru Rally of Canberra -- a very big event on the Australian motor sports calendar. It's the opening round of the 2006 Asia Pacific Championship and we have two of the competitors with us today. A two time winner, Neal Bates, and Dennis Stevens, a privateer with four cars entered in varying categories. Welcome Gentlemen. Thankyou. Thankyou Phil. I was just thinking Neal, it's been a couple of years since you've won the Rally of Canberra isn't it? I was going back 95, 97, a while between drinks there. You would have to bring that one up. Yeah. Look, it has been quite a while since we've won a... You know, the rules changed for rallying three years ago and we didn't have a car to compete in the current formula, and you know, we've been developing that car over the last couple of years and, you know, I feel that we're in a position this year where we can do very well. So we'll be up the front. Ok, well look forward to that. The Toyota Corolla? The Toyota Corolla, yeah. This is a car that we've developed ourselves in Canberra, and you know, at the end of last year, the Corolla was incredibly competitive. So, you know, we're really, really looking forward to this year, and I think that Simon or myself will be a big threat to this rally. That's Simon Evans. I'll come back to that in a moment but, Dennis, as I mentioned, you've got four cars in this event, and it's a real family affair for you isn't it? It is. It's myself, my daughter - who's co-driving, and my sons driving one of the other cars, and another member of the family is co-driving one of the other cars. So it is very much a family affair. And I mentioned you're a privateer. There's a couple of dollars involved in there, aren't there? Lots of dollars. Lots of help. Lots of volunteers. A lot of guys up late at night helping out. And your son Blake is driving the family Honda Civic. He's driving the Honda Civic, yes. How does that go in a rally like this? Well this will be its first event, last year he did the event in a Toyota Starlet, and finished quite well with it. Decided to step upper class this year, moved him up into a 1600CC Car. Rallying's like that isn't it? One of those family things isn't it? I mean, because you're brother's done a little bit too, and it seems like you're born into it. But I was thinking back - those great battles that you had with the late Possum Borne, in the 90's were fantastic. We've got Ford coming into rallying now Neal. Can we resume that kind of battle with Toyota versus Ford? Look I think that the Ford will struggle a little bit to start with because it's a brand new car and they've got to develop that car. So I would expect them to start being strong competition as from next year, but I think this year will be a learning year for them, and I think there'll be some stages - the configuration of their car - when it's a high grip and fast stages, I think the Ford will be competitive, but, you know, I think it will be very much a learning year for them. And, you know, you mentioned Possum Borne, it's still such a shame that he's not around. He had such a passion for this sport. And this time of the we remember him every year. Yeah, definitely. He was just such a passionate person about rallying. Where do you think your opposition will come from? I think that Cody Crocker will be the man to beat in this event, in a Subaru. Scott Pedder in the Mitsubishi, the new EO9 will be very strong, so there'll be plenty of competition out there, and you know, you talk about amazingly close battles, last year in the Adelaide event, we won the first heat by .4 of a second and Scott Pedder beat us over all for the weekend by .6 of a second and so it's still incredible close out there. Of course part of the Australian Rally Championship - I guess that's your aim this year, isn't it? Our aim definitely the Australian Rally Championship. Cody Crocker this year is doing the Asian Pacific Rally Championship. So it's a great opportunity, for the likes of myself, Simon Evans, Scott Pedder and you know, Michael Guest in the Ford. You know, there's going to be a new winner and a championship this year and it's going to be a very exciting year for rally. Dennis, what would you like to get out of this Rally? Have fun. Get at least one corner right and finish. Well you want to get those corners right, cause you're not going to finish if you don't. Well that's right. So finishing is the big thing. Finishing is the big thing. It's a big event. On a low budget getting to the end is a major exercise. Well it's always a fantastic event, in fact volunteers are required, and if you would like to volunteer and spend some time up close and personal with the rally drivers, cause you get some of the best positions in the rally, go to or phone 6205 0666 and that will get you a position perhaps, Australian Capital Tourism would look after you there, and you'll get a chance of volunteering for that rally, and spending some time close to the drivers. There's a big party afterwards as well. So guys thanks for joining us today. And good luck in the rally, both of you at opposite ends of the scale and we look forward to seeing you up the top of the results. Thankyou very much. Thanks Phil. Well to rugby now and the NSW Waratahs have applied some heat to the ACT Brumbies long before they meet in this season's Super Fourteen-- Waratahs coach Ewen McKenzie has announced his intentions to offer a playing contract to Brumbies star Matt Giteau. Giteau comes off contract this year and I caught up with him at training this week. Yeah, obviously I'll listen to all options and, you know, I won't rule out anything. I'll listen to everyone, and then I'll make my decision then, but at the moment I just want to play the best football I can for the Brumbies, and worry about playing for the Brumbies and obviously winning the Super Fourteen this year. Yes, we'll keep you posted on that one. Well that's our program for this week. Join us again at noon next Saturday. In the mean time have a great week Live captions by Southern Cross Ten, Canberra. We apologise for the temporary loss of captions. Normal service will resume as soon as possible.