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reflected on Kim Beazley. When revealed by a hairy quick. He revealed by a hairy quick. question was asked all has been question was asked all has worried about themselves. Since that worried about themselves. Since sort of questions when they are sort of questions when they The Labour Party always asked those The Labour Party always asked The Labour Party is that I am doing extremely well. is that I am doing extremely order. The answer I would have given order. The answer I would have are you going? That was ruled out of are you going? That was ruled out Minister. Deputy prime minister, how Minister. Deputy prime minister, and slapped down by the Prime and slapped down by the by his own National Party members by his own National Party union Unionism he is being ignored union Unionism he is being industrial relations and student industrial relations and industrial that on the issues of Telstra her that on the issues of Telstra I draw to his attention the fact I draw to his attention the Fitzgibbon asked you this question. allegations. It in parliament Joel allegations. It in parliament Labour Party always makes Labour Party always cent. I was not slapped down. The cent. I was not slapped down. wages have risen by fourteen per wages have risen by fourteen record over the last nine years - record over the last nine years future. People should look at our future. People should look at better wages and securing the it is about creating jobs, giving it is about creating jobs, relations we have been very clear - relations we have been very clear our proposals to reform workplace our proposals to reform point. We have continued to say in point. We have continued to say first NCU gave was simple to the first NCU gave was simple to unemployment and rising wages. The unemployment and rising wages. Australia loan interest rates lower Australia loan interest rates circumstances that are delivering a circumstances that are delivering maintain the good economic maintain the good government would continue to government would continue electric. I guarantee it that our electric. I guarantee it that actually about the work is in my actually about the work is in give a guarantee? The question was give a guarantee? The question breaks and public holidays. Can you breaks and public holidays. Can He asked if they will lose meal He asked if they will lose a lecturer at on the Minoan or wage. a lecturer at on the Minoan or have seven thousand in your eye and have seven thousand in your eye Stephen Smith reminded you that you Stephen Smith reminded you that need for concern in that airier. produce the legislation. There is no produce the legislation. There is produce the legislation. the issues we will address when we the issues we will address when on the minimum wage. It is one of on the minimum wage. It is one regional towns around Australia are regional towns around Australia is in that legislation. Workers in is in that legislation. Workers will be pleasantly surprised at what will be pleasantly surprised at the Western Australian nationals or the Western Australian nationals When the legislation is produced a When the legislation is produced after workers on the minimum wage. agenda because it does not look agenda because it does not its industrial relations reform its industrial relations cautioning the federal government on cautioning the federal government nationals have passed a resolution nationals have passed a fire up. The Western the Australian fire up. The Western the sell last appearance. A baptism of sell last appearance. A baptism Congratulations on being Leah's and Congratulations on being Leah's Prime Minister Mark file joins us. Prime Minister Mark file joins spotlight on the Nationals. Deputy spotlight on the Nationals. it kept the option open. It put the it kept the option open. It put legislation. One Government senator legislation. One Government senator the power to vote down senator the power to vote Senate result gives each governments Senate result gives each changed dramatically last week. The changed dramatically last week. changed dramatically last Tw the political world in camera Tw the political world in

must have someone like Barnaby Joyce rocking the boat. Not rocking the boat. Not necessarily so. We have worked for so. We have worked for nine so. We have worked for nine years very successfully in coalition. very successfully in coalition. I aim to keep it away and John aim to keep it away and John Howard does too. Do you support does too. Do you support Barnaby Joyce? I support all my Joyce? I support all my members. Barnaby and Fianna Nash have come Barnaby and Fianna Nash have come to Canberra. It used eight months Canberra. It used eight months since they were elected. This is they were elected. This is their first first taste of the system first taste of the system and processed in Canberra - the processed in Canberra - the systems within the party meetings and how within the party meetings and how we develop policy. These are develop policy. These are early days. If the reaction days. If the reaction from Queensland B C indication of Queensland B C indication of the must have someone like Barnaby your achievements to be noticed you your achievements to be noticed Prime Minister or treasurer. For Prime Minister or treasurer. it will be announced by the Liberal it will be announced by the victory within the Cabinet but then victory within the Cabinet but discipline. But you could have a big discipline. But you could have a national interest report relies on national interest report relies national in regional Australia in the in regional Australia in ability to deliver good government ability to deliver good point that good government and our point that good government and point but we also must make the point but we also must make the one hand we need to make that the one hand we need to make Australia this very seriously. On Australia this very seriously. towards those seven million regional towards those seven million we take those responsibilities we take those in the parliament and Coalition and in the parliament and Coalition some issues that we must represent some issues that we must some issues that we to deliver good government. We have to deliver good government. We separate parties that come together separate parties that come troublemakers. No, Paul. We are two troublemakers. No, Paul. We are that signals endorsement for that signals endorsement claim credit for our achievements, claim credit for our will make our differences clear and will make our differences clear we don't always agree, in future we we don't always agree, in future coalition with the Liberal Party but coalition with the Liberal Party coalition with Conference that we have a strong Conference that we have a told the Queensland National told the Queensland reflected on Kim Beazley. When he Barnaby Joyce is a good thing Barnaby Joyce is a good thing for the party. Barnaby has spoken the party. Barnaby has spoken out and I'd defend the right eye of and I'd defend the right eye of our senators to speak out about senators to speak out about issues they feel strongly about. That they feel strongly about. That is healthy for the debate. Coming healthy for the debate. Coming up- we asked did the Prime we asked did the Prime Minister's top backfire?

The up according to the The up according to the official briefing after the government briefing after the government party room meeting on Monday. The room meeting on Monday. The Prime Minister said the first loyalty Minister said the first loyalty is to this party room. I represent to this party room. I represent the people of Queensland and the people of Queensland and the party room. I represent the state. room. I represent the state. That's the constitution. Barnaby the constitution. Barnaby Joyce the constitution. Barnaby Joyce is correct about the constitution. correct about the constitution. Who do you agree with? The do you agree with? The Prime Minister or the constitution. Minister or the constitution. They are not mutually exclusive. We are not mutually exclusive. We are elected by a constituency. You elected by a constituency. You come to Canberra to represent to Canberra to represent those points of view but the best wait points of view but the best wait to see that see that reflected in terms of see that reflected in terms of how the country is run is the country is run is through discipline nut in the party room. But Barnaby makes a point that he But Barnaby makes a point that he is representing the Queensland representing the Queensland branch of the National Party. We make of the National Party. We make the point that we govern for point that we govern for all Australians - twenty million Australians - twenty million a Australians including Australians including Queensland, and the other states. and the other states. The success and the other states. The success of our government is because we our government is because we have kept the national interest. kept the national interest. The constitution makes it an offence constitution makes it an offence if anyone pressure is a member anyone pressure is a member of parliament to vote against parliament to vote against their will. Will you be pressuring will. Will you be pressuring Barnaby Joyce to vote against his will? There has There has been no evidence There has been no evidence or circumstance I have seen that circumstance I have seen that has existed for it now nine using existed for it now nine using Office of anyone not being able to of anyone not being able to express their point of view. their point of view. Regarding Telstra or - the government Telstra or - the government called for a panel to decide how much for a panel to decide how much is needed. You have suggested to needed. You have suggested to be him. Barnaby Joyce says this him. Barnaby Joyce says this needs technical expertise to determine technical expertise to determine the amount that should be spared. amount that should be spared. Would you support an expert panel? Obviously as we move through Obviously as we move through this process - and there is a fair way process - and there is a fair way to go - we are going to be go - we are going to be seeking expert advice on many expert advice on many elements. expert advice on many elements. We need to. It is a technical need to. It is a technical airier. But the concept of a future fund But the concept of a future fund and future proofing is about future proofing is about technology we don't know about yet. It is we don't know about yet. It is hard to get experts to give advice to get experts to give advice about technology that does not exist. technology that does not exist. The concept about future proofing concept about future proofing is where where there is market value of where there is market value of to deliver new technology. deliver new technology. You suggested two billion. Why not suggested two billion. Why not check that s estimate with experts? We that s estimate with experts? We are happy to do that. Will you happy to do that. Will you advocate that to Cabinet? I would be that to Cabinet? I would be more than happy to have that shaped than happy to have that shaped by any group of senior officials any group of senior officials or experts. Outside? The rationale experts. Outside? The rationale bit behind my suggestion of that behind my suggestion of that figure, was that over the last ten years was that over the last ten years we have spent ten million have spent ten million dollars improving telecommunications as improving telecommunications as new technology has come out and that technology has come out and that is one hundred million dollars a one hundred million dollars a year. That is what I have based That is what I have based that figure on. Your colleague figure on. Your colleague Senator Helen Cooden has said the Helen Cooden has said the services are patchy. After all this are patchy. After all this spending and after many MS Int ministers and after many MS Int ministers have said the services are almost said the services are almost perfect this is a big admission. We this is a big admission. We have relied on independent reviews. relied on independent reviews. In terms of reflecting on the terms of reflecting on the services that existed at the time. Is that existed at the time. Is going to continue to change. It is not to continue to change. It is not a static circumstance because of static circumstance because of all the new technology coming on the new technology coming on line. The big challenge is to see how The big challenge is to see how we cannot get broadband to as cannot get broadband to as many regional Australians as possible. Many members of the National Many members of the National Party oppose the privatisation of oppose the privatisation of Telstra or because they are worried or because they are worried that services will fall as the services will fall as the normal process of cost cutting to keep process of cost cutting to keep up the share price happens. When the share price happens. When you see the new chief executive see the new chief executive of Telstra or admitting there has Telstra or admitting there has been five billion five billion dollars under-investment by Telstra under-investment by Telstra in regional Australia, how will that regional Australia, how will that be fixed by a the fund you fixed by a the fund you are suggesting? Can I just repeat myself. A future fund and myself. A future fund and future proofing is about filling in proofing is about filling in the gaps where market failure occurs. If, before that, we can get If, before that, we can get the platform right, and Telstra or platform right, and Telstra or have been talking about this, then been talking about this, then there should not be such a should not be such a large requirement in terms of a requirement in terms of a future fund to fill in the gaps where fund to fill in the gaps where the used market failure. There are used market failure. There are two issues - the here and now - and issues - the here and now - and how we will give comfort to those we will give comfort to those people that you are referred to to fill that you are referred to to fill in those market gaps where there those market gaps where there is market failure in the future. Can market failure in the future. Can we turn to you voluntary student turn to you voluntary student union isn't? The proposal to isn't? The proposal to stop universities charging universities charging compulsory service fees - what is your stand service fees - what is your stand on that nd you think it is possible that nd you think it is possible to have some have some compromise, with the have some compromise, with the get special grants for special grants for regional universities. Where do you stand? universities. Where do you stand? We must reflect on must reflect on current circumstances. The government circumstances. The government as internally debated all of internally debated all of the legislation, the package, legislation, the package, the concept of abolishing concept of abolishing compulsory student union fees. That is what student union fees. That is what he is about - we are opposed is about - we are opposed to compulsory fees. That's what this compulsory fees. That's what this is about. That has been debated about. That has been debated and reflected on in government for reflected on in government for some time. Dr Brendan Nelson as time. Dr Brendan Nelson as come forward with legislation. Some forward with legislation. Some of our new members of parliament our new members of parliament have not been involved for a long time. They have arrived at the wrong time. We have put that in place end We have put that in place end made that clear as our position. that clear as our position. Regional universities- our government universities- our government has consistently increased some of consistently increased some of the special funding programme special funding programme categories for regional universities for regional universities probably more than one hundred more than one hundred million dollars for those dollars for those regional universities. Do you want more? universities. Do you want more? Some of these universities are in of these universities are in your own seats. They have to own seats. They have to substantiate the case. You get conflicting the case. You get conflicting views from universities. The issues from universities. The issues have not yet materialised. We must not yet materialised. We must see evidence before giving evidence before giving answers. There has been a lot of There has been a lot of work developing this legislation, a developing this legislation, a lot of reflection, about the of reflection, about the needs across Australia, across Australia, particularly regional universities. Thank regional universities. Thank you Deputy Prime Minister. Coming Deputy Prime Minister. Coming up Waleed Ali. The political image of the week The political image of the week - build ever known eyeballing Barnaby Joyce.

You are or meet the press. As You are or meet the press. As the prime minister works out who we prime minister works out who we will involve invite to his summer, involve invite to his summer, at terraced appears on Arabic TV terraced appears on Arabic TV with an Australian accent. The an Australian accent. The Moslem world is not your backyard. St world is not your backyard. St Kitts last you will be killed. last you will be killed. Listening closely is lawyer and board closely is lawyer and board member of the Islamic Council Waleed of the Islamic Council Waleed Ali. Welcome to the programme. The Welcome to the programme. The man behind the balaclava is apparently behind the balaclava is apparently a Muslim convert, Matthew Stewart. Muslim convert, Matthew Stewart. He does not fit the profile, does he? No he does not and that is No he does not and that is an important work. We have important work. We have had suggestions about how we suggestions about how we might target suspects and a lot of target suspects and a lot of that has been based on has been based on profiling, particularly appearance. This is particularly appearance. This is a demonstration on how poor demonstration on how poor that policy is as a security policy policy is as a security policy ought regarding civil liberties. This regarding civil liberties. This puts enormous pressure on the enormous pressure on the Moslem community. Does it Impact community. Does it Impact School yards? There is that danger. It yards? There is that danger. It used not just about school yards. not just about school yards. Muslims living in Australia are living in Australia are mostly mainstream people in mainstream mainstream people in mainstream jobs all over the country. They will all over the country. They will be impacted in many ways and impacted in many ways and because they are mainstream people they they are mainstream people they just want a mainstream existence. want a mainstream existence. That sort of discussion herds that. sort of discussion herds that. The Prime Minister is deciding who Prime Minister is deciding who to invite to his summit of invite to his summit of Moslem leaders- how widely leaders- how widely should leaders- how widely should those invitations go? The problem invitations go? The problem with these is that so far we have these is that so far we have very little information about this little information about this summer at. We have had a throwaway at. We have had a throwaway line from the Prime Minister. It is from the Prime Minister. It is hard to tell what he wants to to tell what he wants to achieve. One break down in the One break down in the relationship between the Moslem community and between the Moslem community and the government is that there is government is that there is no meaningful relationship between meaningful relationship between the government and mainstream was government and mainstream was on Australia. As a first step, Australia. As a first step, there needs to be that needs to be that relationship cultivated. If that means cultivated. If that means keeping this summer to a this summer to a mainstream representation then that might representation then that might be the starting point. But the starting point. But again, without having without having any details without having any details about what we are hoping to achieve it what we are hoping to achieve it is hard to know what to recommend. Regarding that ongoing Regarding that ongoing relationship, would it be sensible for would it be sensible for the government to designate a government to designate a particular minister as having this as minister as having this as part of their responsibility, that their responsibility, that liaison. Who should it be? That is than Who should it be? That is than the idea but ultimately the idea but ultimately the Moslem community is a very community is a very diverse community and a diverse set community and a diverse set of committees, so the best way is committees, so the best way is for Moslem leaders to engage Moslem leaders to engage with politicians in their area. Take politicians in their area. Take my example. I am from the moors example. I am from the moors and Council of Victoria. We Council of Victoria. We must cultivate relationships cultivate relationships with MPs cultivate relationships with MPs in Victoria. It will not work Victoria. It will not work having one person through whom one person through whom everything goes. D'you think the proposed goes. D'you think the proposed new law to make it a criminal offence law to make it a criminal offence to incite violence will only apply incite violence will only apply to most homes or will it apply most homes or will it apply to Christian clerics who call as Christian clerics who call as one has done in Victoria for has done in Victoria for their followers to pull down Moss, followers to pull down Moss, temples and bottle shops. I had any law and bottle shops. I had any law that is introduced applies to is introduced applies to everybody. That is required in our That is required in our constitution anyway. But I think that there anyway. But I think that there is ace is is the the case with any ace is is the the case with any law that is conceived in the that is conceived in the current climate of the war on terror it is climate of the war on terror it is a perceived problem that it might perceived problem that it might be specifically applied to the specifically applied to the Moslem community and that is a concern community and that is a concern to Muslims with respect to edit Muslims with respect to edit terror laws. If NT - terror laws laws. If NT - terror laws are introduced we must be very introduced we must be very careful about how they are applied so about how they are applied so they apply across the board. Do you apply across the board. Do you see at justification for at justification for strengthening the the law? At this stage I do not the law? At this stage I do not see any but I am happy to have any but I am happy to have that demonstrated to me. The demonstrated to me. The inquiry needs to be about whether or needs to be about whether or not there is a direct link between there is a direct link between that speech and some national speech and some national security threat, because the is threat, because the is something about inciting violence, that about inciting violence, that is fine, and we already have laws fine, and we already have laws that deal deal with that. If we are going deal with that. If we are going to broaden the net we must make broaden the net we must make sure that we are covering an area that we are covering an area that does create a threat rather than does create a threat rather than one that just makes us feel edgy. that just makes us feel edgy. The Labour Party has suggested Labour Party has suggested federal funding should be withdrawn funding should be withdrawn from Islamic schools or at least Islamic schools or at least make conditional on them conditional on them teaching tolerance tolerance and understanding tolerance and understanding the multicultural nature of multicultural nature of Australian society. Do you believe that society. Do you believe that could help? If we are following the help? If we are following the line of removing funding on the basis of removing funding on the basis of teaching tolerance, that teaching tolerance, that should apply to independent schools apply to independent schools across the board. The criticism of the board. The criticism of not teaching tolerance or teaching tolerance or isolationism, that is not a criticism that is not a criticism levelled only add wasn't schools, only add wasn't schools, those criticisms have been levelled criticisms have been levelled and other religious other religious denominations schools for a long time. If schools for a long time. If we followed that rate it must apply followed that rate it must apply to everybody, it must be fair everybody, it must be fair and Islamic schools are not signal Islamic schools are not signal that out. Having said that, I don't out. Having said that, I don't think that sort of condition would that sort of condition would concern the Islamic schools because they the Islamic schools because they are by and large and in my by and large and in my experience already do that, they already do that, they already cultivate tolerance and make cultivate tolerance and make sure they create people who operate they create people who operate as productive contributors productive contributors to multicultural Australia. multicultural Australia. Ten religious leaders in religious leaders in Victoria religious leaders in Victoria were asked if they thought of some asked if they thought of some are being Mardon was responsible being Mardon was responsible for September eleven- that does not September eleven- that does not help the Moslem community image. Most the Moslem community image. Most of them just said they did not them just said they did not know. But that does not help the image But that does not help the image - that is a fair point. Although that is a fair point. Although one thing we must learn is exactly thing we must learn is exactly what sort of attention we must give sort of attention we must give to the the opinions of ten the opinions of ten religious leaders on a political issue leaders on a political issue that they never speak to they never speak to their conflagrations about. One at conflagrations about. One at either. From bad survey was that all From bad survey was that all ten were opposed to suicide bombers. Thank you very much for Thank you very much for joining Arsene Waleed Ali from the Arsene Waleed Ali from the Islamic Council of Victoria. Thanks to Council of Victoria. Thanks to our panel Michelle Grattan and panel Michelle Grattan and Brian Toohey. Until next week it's