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(generated from captions) relationship. and this really disturbs the particularly with Bali relationship with Indonesia, Where we feel we have a special and the Tsunami. aftermath of the Bali bombing But it is also to do with the with it. Yeah I think that's a lot to do as a peaceful place? Is it because of Bali's reputation Why do you think that is? handling the situation. and the way the media has been perceptions Largely because of the public for Australian Indonesian relations. problem Yeah I think it's become a real a little bit closer? in getting Australia and Indonesia work that we've done, that this could derail all the good So you really believe up. And they were going to be picking suffering. the Tourist Industry was really in Indonesia, and the political upheavals after the Bali bombing, were improving Just when things looked like they situation for Bali. Yes this is a particularly bad crossroads? do you think it's facing a new position at the moment, Well let's look at I guess Bali's Good, thank you. Hi Adrian, how are you? Wollongong University. Professor Adrian Vickers from pondering Bali's place in the world, of time is a man who spent a great deal Wollongong studios Well, joining us now from our 88 of them Australia. in which 202 people died, mastermind of the Bali bombings, that delivered life in jail to the same Indonesian justice system, the accused will be tried under the or innocent, and whether they are guilty underbelly of this island paradise, is revealing the hard-line and the fate of the Bali 9, The Schapelle Corby case incredibly tough anti-drug laws. as the focus turns to Indonesia's lost a little of its appeal recently, You could say a holiday in Bali has But first up - at 210 kms per hour on one leg. he's the first person to ski Just an amazing achievement, who smashed his own record in France. thrill-seeker, Michael Milton Canberra's speed-skiing to catch up with Not too far away, we're going Focus. for this week's edition of State

It's a really tough experience. time. I think this is a really difficult is probably the cruellest component? as the Indonesian justice system do you think the waiting game as far So Simon, many people in custody. and he's also worked closely with and corporate world, psychologists in the forensic is one of Australia's leading Now in Melbourne Simon Brown Greaves Thank you. But thank you very much. Melbourne studios. we're about to cross to our and I'll just have to leave it there from Wollongong University Well look Professor Adrian Vickers in either Australia or Indonesia. that I wouldn't like to be in jail are wonderful places to be, Australian jails But that's not to say that so they'll be close to their family. to come back to Australia, important for the prisoners But I must say that it will be of prisoner exchange. are also about that kind president Susilo Bambang between John Howard and Indonesia to Government talks, And I think some of the Government General and his equivalent. between the Australian Attorney that are going now, That will depend on negotiations at home in Australia? spending some of that sentence they have any hope of possibly sentence in Indonesia, if they are found guilty in their 9 or Schapelle Corby, Do you really believe that the Bali productive. And that could be counter Australian pressure. will be seen to be surrendering to then the Indonesian president out for the big sympathy vote, if the Australian media goes all coverage is too heavy, But the problem is if the media That's been hinted at. of a presidential pardon. possibility and there is already some with the Indonesian president, the matter or maybe I should say has discussed Indonesian president, has actually put pressure on the Well I think John Howard Or is that political suicide? Once she was sentenced. say in the Schapelle Corby case? where he could possibly intervene, in a position, that John Howard will put himself Do you really believe laws of a foreign country. you're not really subject to the And if you go there of Australia. feel like somehow Bali's part of Australian's But partly I think a lot

whether it's to Bali or anywhere else in the world. Do you think as a physiologist we might actually see some syndromes, you know syndromes developing where people actually have a fear of security, a fear of their bags being tampered with? Do you know it's going to be really interesting Ali. I'm tempted to say probably not, and I think because people don't identify with this experience happening to them. They tend to look at it and heads you know Overseas who packs their bags And you know for the average Aussie at the moment. emotional roller coaster That she would be riding a real and so on. and the consultation with lawyers in terms of the court cases happening around you, because there is so much also Absolutely. basis? would be dealing with on a daily Schapelle Corby So depression would be something for people then. And it's certainly a time of risk significantly changes. emotional states and at that time often people's of potentially being convicted, is once they get to that stage is pretty important, The second stage that I think quite focused on getting through. Is often a time that is really and to maintain a degree of hope. trying to fight and survive energy as people are expending their where pre the court cases, Absolutely. of emotions? Do they go through a myriad who are in custody? develops with prisoners Is there any sort of pattern that and serve their sentence. possible even come back to Australia Holding that hope that they could it? Yeah cause that's so important isn't for them. And it might keep some hope alive back to home and back to Australia. of a connection and give them some sense It will help settle them down really important. having family visit is going to be for these young people, and a bit of a human touch To get a sense of comfort to come and visit the Bali 9? Just how important is it for parents stressful experience for them. I think we can assume this a really are waiting to go to court. young people In particular the time while the

as something that happens to someone else. And you know depending on ones point of view. That is if one believes that Schapelle is innocent, then you know your views and security response might be quite different. If on the other hand someone, thought well she's just someone who's done the wrong thing and been caught out. Then you know what most people think well that doesn't apply to me, so I'm never going to be in that situation. So you know what I don't think we'll get that enormous back lash, in terms of people security behaviour. They probably should but they probably wont. Alright so mass National fear factor there at all. Simon Brown Greaves thank you so much for joining us, a brilliant insight into the minds of those in custody. Thank you. No worries, my pleasure Ali. Thank you. Well, the last couple of times we've given Canberra's Michael Milton a call, he's been sitting on top of a mountain in France, waiting for the weather to clear to give him a crack at reaching 200 kilometres-per hour on one-ski. Well last weekend in France, he did it and went ever quicker than he ever dared dream about and Michael Milton is on the line now. Hi Michael. Hi Ali. You're back home, great to have you home. Basically how did you do it? Well I found this big mountain in France, and accidentally got this absolutely beautiful day, with sunshine and no breeze, and basically went from the top of the hill, and skied at just over 210 kilometres an hour. Oh look you make it sound too simple. There must be more to it than that. Can I just ask you, how does the leg feel at the end of a run like that? It's actually physically not that bad, because it only goes for about 25 seconds. From basically stationary up to 200 and then back to stationary again. So physically it's not that bad. You get a bit of a hit when actually after the timing zone when you stand up to slow down, is when you really feel the wind at it's highest intensity. So it's a little bit of a struggle in there but aside from that physically you feel fine. Right you looked so excited at the end of it. Yeah it was a very, very special moment. Coming down and realising that I'd just blown all my dreams away. And you know I knew I had a good run. I knew everything had gone really well, but I was thinking you know 204, 205, and then to hear it was 210 it just blew me away. Alright I'm going to ask the obvious question, can you go faster? Oh definitely, yeah no question about that. I think you know I'm still learning the sport. From last year to this year, I started at the same point and went 12 kilometres an hour faster. So I think there's definitely some more improvement in there. Because the able bodied ski record in Australia is 212, isn't it? Yep the all comers record from Australia is 212, so that's less then 2 kilometres an hour away now, so it's definitely in my sights. And something I guess most athletes with disabilities would love to have an all comers record like that. Fantastic well are you coming home to Canberra soon? Yes I'll be in Canberra shortly, because of my lifestyle I'm actually homeless, my girlfriend and I have a house sit in Canberra from the end of May. So I'll be back for a couple of months then, and I'm looking forward to it. Alright there's always a couch here at State Focus for you Michael Milton, thanks a lot for talking with us. We'll catch up when you get back. Thank you Ali. OK next up a look around our region, and also sensational claims about Dubbo's teen mums being abused for the baby bonus. You're watching State Focus. and views impacting on our part of the world and there's no doubt the Howard Government's $3,000 baby bonus, has encouraged more couples to lie back and think of Australia. The baby bonus was introduced almost a year ago, and while most families spend the money wisely, others are finding it is causing tension and trouble in their lives. In Dubbo, we've been hearing of cases where young women mainly teenage mums, are being abused, and even bashed by their partners for the $3,000, and joining me on the line right now is the NSW MP for Dubbo, Dawn Fardell. Hi Dawn. Hi how are you going? I'm good. Is this a real problem for you? It certainly is a real problem. And I don't believe it's happening just in Dubbo, but right throughout Australia and there has been evidence of it certainly occurring here. So what is the worst case that you've heard of? The worst case I really can not tell on air, the reason why I can't is it's quite horrific. Certainly some politicians know about it, and I'm waiting for some answers from them. But if I was to reveal the worst case it would hit the media and others might be encouraged to do so. It would be very negligent of me to actually report it. Are we talking about young girls here, like teenage mums? We certain are. We are talking about girls from 13 years upwards, who have been courted by other men for money only, for the baby bonus. These men when they do have the child, have been known even to threaten Centrelink staff, wanting those funds to go into their account. And of course once the money has been paid over either to mum, these men are dumping these girls. Obviously it would work better maybe for these young mums if they got instalments instead of a lump sum, would that be an answer? Well it would be an answer I guess they still would want the money. Some of the families want a share of the money as well, you know they come from families where they do share things, and that's a concern. The Aboriginal female elders I have spoken to in the community, are starting up the teenage pregnancy mentoring workshops again. Trying to get the girls to continue their education and of course not fall pregnant. Look as a politician of course this seems to be Federal Legislation, it's a Federal payment, what can you do Dawn in your position? What I have done with the horrific case I did hear about, I rang Tony Winsor the Federal MP. And I spoke to him for him to advise Mr Abbott. It was right in the middle of Mr Abbott's own personal situation. And of course he is anti-abortion, he is also the Minister for Health in the Government. Which made this horrific decision of giving lump sum payments. Now it's not just the young teenage girls. But we had Pru Goward up here last year, and I have also contacted Pru and spoke to her on this issue. Because I know she was a great supporter of the maternity leave and the payments being spread out rather than a lump sum payment. Because there are mums out there who want to stay home with their baby. They get $3,000, Dad decides he wants a new set of wheels for the car tyres. So the money goes and mum has to leave the bub. Now it would be good if women, those who are working, could get 14 weeks. All this money should be spread out. Or better still it should be invested into a scholarship for the children's education. Because we are not going to break this cycle, until children are educated. Alright Dawn Fardell I'll just leave it there. But thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you very much OK time to focus on what else has been happening around our region and in the ACT - Well known Canberra businessman Terry Snow says it's time to get pro-active about making over the city centre. His 10 year plan would see London Circuit turned into a 60 metre wide grand boulevard. The Stanhope Government handed down its budget this week, and the ACT will get 20 extra police officers, as well as more money to finish the new Woden Police Station. The ICAC is looking into resident's concerns about Snowy River Shire council's sale of Cooma airport. And expect a big tree change in Yass, with a new rural estate getting the OK from Council, to be built between the Barton Highway and Yass River. On the South Coast - The top gun fighter jet joy flights are going to continue out of the Illawarra airport at Albion Park. The company is appealing a safety issue regarding flights of its soviet-made albatross. Meantime, the upgrade of the airport's runway has been given a quarter of a million dollars from Wollongong Council. Residents of Burrill Lake, near Ulladulla, say their properties could flood, if the lake isn't opened manually. And if you're up at Mount Keira lookout, you better take your own binoculars after thieves stole the only two coin operated binoculars. To the Central West - And life in Dubbo's troubled Gordon Estate is getting greener. A new competition is awarding prizes to residents who improve their public housing homes. Jailed businessman Rodney Adler is going to do his time at Kirkconnell correctional centre near Bathurst. Several phone polls of Mudgee residents have found most are for putting flouride in their water, or they just don't care either way And Coonabarabran is getting a new giant telescope, to replace the one owned by the Australian National University, that was destroyed in the Canberra bushfires. And in the Riverina - Truckies will be pleased to hear the Tarcutta truckstop is closer to reality. Wagga Council has acquired most of the land for the new facility. Police at Young are looking at the theory that last year's fire which destroyed the Burrangong Abbattoir was a payback at bosses for employing Afghan refugees. Farmers from the Riverina will be taking part in a drought sumitt to be held in Parkes in two weeks. And still no official word on the future use of Eric Weissel Oval in Wagga, with the new owners taking over the ground on May 26. Well the family and friends of Dubbo schoolboy Brendan Saul are still coming to terms with the realities of our NSW justice system. After several postponements, a magistrate delivered a sentence against the teenage driver who's car hit and killed the 9 year old Brendan as he rode his bike about 14 months ago. Brendan's dad Kevin was in court for the sentencing of the teenager, who's now 17 and can't be named. Kevin and the rest of the Saul family said they were disappointed but not surprised, when magistrate Paul MacMahon sentenced the youth to a year's probation for leaving the scene of an accident, and then a 12 month good behaviour bond for driving unlicensed. The magistrate told the court, the prosecution had not properly examined the evidence, and that had caused the Saul family unnecessary pain. And, magistrate MacMahon also pointed out that there wasn't the evidence to prove the charges beyond reasonable doubt. The 17-year-old also pleaded guilty to six other charges, including an assault on his pregnant girlfriend, and he was allowed to return to his home in Dubbo a day after sentencing, having already served the required nine months in custody. Stay with us, up next - Brumbies coach Laurie Fisher and where it all went pear-shaped for the Super 12 reigning champs that's right after the break on State Focus. GENTLE GUITAR MUSIC "This big truck..." Just like a lot of children his age, Khan loves books. The difference is, Your support will give children who are blind or deaf a gift that lasts a lifetime - education. What would you like to read now? 'Big Trucks'! You can make a donation by phoning: KHAN: Give a gift that lasts a lifetime. and when Laurie Fisher took over the job of coaching the Brumbies last year, he had no doubts that his first Super 12 season was going to be challenging. But after the Brumbies 5th straight loss, the finals have kind of slipped away and we're all wondering, what's happened? Well Laurie Fisher welcome. Thanks very much. That's the big question, can you put anything into perspective at this point? At this stage with two weeks to go in the season, we are still worrying about beating the Chiefs on Saturday, and the Reds the following Saturday. But sort of building a store of information, that you can sit down and review at the end of the season. Get feedback from all sources and then I guess we will really be able to nut out, what we need to do to go forward. You know the negatives from this season would have to be that injury list, you know can I just go through with it? Really did you ever think what next? Well we've certainly been hurt by the loss of some of our very best players. And that on the back of the retirement of Joe Roff and David Giffin. And then some of our best young players, Guy Shepherdson and Adam Ashley-Cooper. And you know Scotty Fava most recently. So there has been a string of injuries, and that's been fairly debilitating for us. But that said, it really has given the opportunities for some of the younger players, who may not have gained Super 12 experience at this stage. So there is a smaller silver lining, that down the track guys have got good experience. They really know what they need to do in their game to take it forward. But I guess for this point in time, that it's disappointing for all concerned to be where we are. You know Rob Clark, the CEO of the Brumbies, said that under David Nucifora there weren't a lot of happy campers, but under you their quite a happy team. Are they too happy? Oh no I don't think we are too happy. But I think coming off a super 12 victory, that it's hard to be too hard nosed in saying that we need to make improvements in this and this and this area. So in a way we are sort of trod gently gently. But I think there are some clear things that will come forward, where the whole team needs to take a disciplined approach to skill development, to application of the game. And I whilst the attitude of the group and the whole organisation's been fantastic, that we just need to probably re-work some standards. Re-work some asperations. And look at a new way to go forward. Do you reckon that the head hunting that has been involved from the super 14 franchise over in WA. Do you think that was a bit of a distraction for players as well? It is a distraction. I don't think it's had any impact on our performance. Certainly four or five weeks from a super 12 final series when you're discussing contracts. And you've got Rathbone flying to Perth, it's unsettling for other players too? It's unsettling for everybody but I mean NSW were in the same boat of lost players and their travelling very nicely at the top of the Super 12. So it's no excuse, I don't think it's had an impact on our performance at all. I think the players are really maturing in doing their job and working on trying to get their best performance week in, week out. What about your performance, how have you rated yourself as a coach? I think you learn things as you go along and I definitely made some small mistakes, there's things I'd do differently next time which I won't be revealing at this point in time but certainly you make mistakes in how you relate to players, in information you might give them, in decisions you make, in how you respond to information. I think by and large our coaching program has been very good, I think we've tried to take the team is in the right direction and I'll think again we'll learn from things on how the games been played for again re-engineering sub-aspects of our play next year. So definitely learning as I go along. But your right for next season? Oh definitely and I think fundamentally in everything we are doing is sound but I think like anything there's improvements you need to make, there's little tweaks in certain areas and I think we are better positioned to do those. Who do you think is going to win Super 12's this year? Well I certainly believe it will be a Crusaders, Waratah's final I think the Crusaders will probably learn some valuable lessons of last year, they've got history on their side, their a very complete team so I think the Crusaders will be hard to toss but I think the Waratah's will be very very competitive. Yeah alright now the big home game is on tonight, it's against the Waikato Chiefs are you rearranging the back line, are you bringing in more of those young players you were talking about? Yeah we are going to give Sam Norton-Knight a start at 10 and pushing Matty Giteau to 12, which at this stage of Mattie's career is probably where he's most comfortable. We've got Clyde Rathbone coming back in his first start for some time, we'll push Mark Gerrard onto the wing and giving Benny Batger a start at full-back So there are a number of little changes to try and see if we can move our game forward and look at I guess a bit of a look at what things are going to be like in the future. Well Owen Finnigan an era ends tonight with him, 10 years with the Brumbies. What are you going to miss about melon? Well certainly he keeps everyone honest on and off the field which is a fantastic attribute like his knowledge of the things we are doing, his knowledge of opposition and what they are going to do week in, week out so it's not only what he does on the park but he's a really dedicated worker off the field in analysis and I think that's a tremendous example for all young players is the amount of work you've got to do to not only know your game inside out but to know your opposition and he's wonderfully through in those areas. Oh absolutely, I mean who's going to shoulder him off the field tonight though that will be a big ask won't it? He weighs 118 kilos and nobody wants to lag around I'm sure. Exactly, you don't need anymore injuries when you think about it either? No no he'd be happy to walk off I think, happy to walk off with a five point win I think would make Owen and all of us very very happy on Saturday night. Well Laurie Fisher Commiserations for this year but there's always next season as they say. There's plenty of good things to build on and again we'll come back bigger and better from this. Terrific, thanks for coming in today. Thanks Ali. Well of course, we'll be able to see exactly what Laurie has in store for the Chiefs tonight at Canberra stadium. Kick off is at 7.40pm and getting a full-house would be just an awesome way to say goodbye to Own Finnigan. And it's all about pride as well at this point of the season. That is the show for today, enjoy the rest of the weekend we'll see you next week on State Focus. Live captions by Southern Cross Ten, Canberra.