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(generated from captions) So the Speaker of the Federal

Government steps down as a result

of sex and fraud allegations,

allegations that he denies. Still

that is a crisis. Prime Minister

Julia Gillard says nothing until

later in the piece. The Leader of

the Opposition Tony Abbott was

saying things straightaway "This is

a man that needs to step aside".

Julia Gillard very quiet, still

dodging questions. Craig Emerson is

the Minister for trade and joins us.

Thank you for your time this

morning. Good morning. This is an

absolute disaster and yet the Prime

Minister did not address the public

about this instantly. The Prime

Minister is in Singapore. I'm happy

to answer any questions that you've

got. In respect of your suggestion

that the Prime Minister delayed and

delayed and delayed, I think this

news broke on Friday. On Sunday she

I should a statement saying it was

appropriate that Mr Slipper step

aside from the speakership while

the allegation allegations of

misuse of entitlements were

investigated. The news broke on

Friday, everyone else spoke,

everyone else knew what the stand

was before Julia Gillard. That's

not right. The Coalition certainly

did. The Coalition is after Peter

Slipper. The reason they are is

that Peter Slipper, an Independent,

has recently as September last year,

Tony Abbott described Peter Slipper

as a strong and loyal member of the

Coalition. Tony Abbott went to his

wedding and was a member of a party

that preselected Peter Slipper

seven times. So back then Peter

Slipper was a good guy. As soon as

he decided to be an Independent,

he's a bad guy. We understand what

is going on. Tony Abbott thinks

this is a cheap and easy way to the

lock. It's not. We'll continue --

to the lodge, it's not. We'll

continue to govern in the national

interests. Peter Slipper has stood

misused entitlementions that he aside after allegations that he

misused entitlements. That's the

right thing to do. Don't you think

we need a pragmatic Prime Minister,

one that comes out and says "It's

appropriate that the Speaker steps

aside while the serious allegations

are investigated". I mean, we have

the Dale Thomas affair, that the

Prime Minister is -- Craig Thomson

affair that the Prime Minister is

harangued upon. You'll be relying

on rogues at the ends of the day.

That's a defamatoryry thing to say.

I think when we talk about Prime

Ministers, we should reflect on

these words, that when an

investigation is underway, it's not

appropriate to comment. The

investigation should take its

course and there should be a

presumption of innocence. They are

not my words, they are the words of

John Howard when he had three

Coalition MPs under police

investigation. Absolutely. For

misuse of printing entitlements and

the Coalition took the votes of Mr

Andrew leming more than 50 times.

In the Upper House, Mary Jo Fisher

was not only charged with a

criminal offence, she was found

guilty, and Tony Abbott claimed she

did not participate in Senate votes.

She did, she was not asked to step

aside. I wouldn't disagree with

anything you're saying, but we are

not talking about the poicks, we

are talking about the Government of

the day -- Opposition, we are

talking about the Government of the

day. Hold, you are saying there

should be a standard, but one, not

two. Not one for the Liberal Party,

and one for the other. I'm not

saying there's different standards,

I'm saying we deserve better than

we have at the moment. This man was

the Speaker of the house. I believe

in the presumption of innocence in

respect of anyone against whom

allegations are made. The Speaker

of the House has an allegation of

misuse of entitlements against him,

and he has stepped aside. Mr

Thomson has allegations and a

police investigation against him.

chairing the House of He, too, stepped aside from

Representatives economics committee.

What Mr Tony Abbott wants is for Mr

Thomson to leave the parliament.

There's only one reason he wants

that, is he thinks "Great", that

means he can be the Prime Minister

of Australia without having to go

to the Australian people and

explain how he's going to have to

fill a $70 billion funding hole in

the budget and reckon il a bunch of

irreckon ilable policies. Was it

entirely appropriate for Peter

Slipper to step aside? In relation

to the allegations against him, of

the misuse of entitlements, it was

appropriate for Peter Slipper to

step aside. The Prime Minister

shares that view. Why did the Prime

Minister wait so long before

sharing that view? Why didn't she

come straight out. She doesn't

represent Peter Slipper, she

represents the people of Australia.

Peter Slipper represents... You are

trying to create an impression that

there was an incredible delay, that

the allegations occurred. It's not

an impression, it's a fact. What

was the incredible delay. The

allegations appeared in the 'The

Daily Telegraph' Friday, by Sunday

the Prime Minister says it's

appropriate that Peter Slipper step

aside. The Prime Minister is... She

was the last person to sleep, given

she was the last person to speak.

She is not the last person to speak.

You are entitled to your view.

Wayne Swan speak before. We have a

robust democracy. I disagree with

your view. Wayne Swan represented

the Prime Minister when he came out

earlier than the Prime Minister and

the implication to what he was

saying is these are allegations,

you are innocent until proven

guilty, let him prove his innocence.

He was not saying the right thing

to do was to step aside. Indeed. I

hope that you believe in the

presumption of innocence. It is the

pillar of our justice system in

this country, and the fact is Tony

Abbott doesn't believe in the

presumption of innocence, I'm not

seeking to put new the same basket

as he, but I ask the viewers -

should we have a justice system

based on the presumption of

innocence or when an allegation is

made against anyone, should they

leave parliament, their job, give

up. I think it's important in this

country to our justice system that

when allegations are made against

people, they have an opportunity to

deal with them. I couldn't agree

with you more and Tony Abbott would

agree too. I'm sure Tony Abbott

believes in the truth. That's not

right. He does not. We are talking

about the Speaker of the House

facing serious charges, it was

appropriate for him to stepaside.

The Prime Minister couldn't say

that for two full days in the face

of everywhere else saying it. Now

you are barracking for Tony Abbott,

sake he believes in the presumption

of innocence, he -- saying he

believes in the presumption of

innocence, he does not. I'm bar

arcing for a better standard from

the people running the country. Can

I finish my sentence. I know what

you are going to say, you don't

need to, you said it. No, you don't.

People know, you say I'm supporting

Tony Abbott. No, I said - how do

you know, let me say it? OK, say it

again. You said Tony Abbott

supports the presumption of

innocence. Yes. He does not. He

does not. I'm sure he does. He

moves motions - you're wrong. He

moved motions that Mr Thomson be

extinguish peld from the parliament.

Why? Because -- expelled from the

parliament. Why? There are

allegations against him. He's not