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(generated from captions) I tell you, he rides a horse well.

He would be brought up in the

saddle of a horse. If I was to be

sworn in as a minister of the Crown,

I would like to be sworn in on my

own, the advantage with being Bob

Carr is he couldn't legally be

sworn in with all the others, so he

gets a special day. None of this

will be a surprise because we've

been talking about it, and that

happens this afternoon. The

Governor-General will swear him in.

Richard Miles is a Victorian Labor

MP and the Parliamentary Secretary

for Pacific Island Affairs so will

work, I suppose for Bob Carr. Thank

you for joining us. What are the

foreign affairs priorities that he

will be faced with? I think Bob

brings an enormous amount of

gravitas to this whole which is

important. The Foreign Minister and

the Prime Minister are two people

that carry Australia a broad. To

have someone of his calibre is

important. The Prime Minister

talked about this being the Asian

century and Bob will be focussed on

the region, so it was important he

visited your homeland, Paul, New

Zealand as the Foreign Minister

Designate. I think that is saying

that he will focus on the region

and I think he will be focussed on

the Asia and Pacific area. And he

is particularly interested in this

region. The most ex-- errant state

is Fiji. Have you had an

opportunity to talk to Bob about

that? Yes, I've spoken to Bob about

Fiji. It is a very difficult

situation for our region. We all

want to see Fiji return to

democracy at the eliest opportunity

and we made it clear to, along with

New Zealand, to the Fijians that we

stand ready to assist them in that

return. Bob made that clear. So we

will keep working on that. It's a

difficult situation. What we need

to see in Fiji is an all-inclusive

process where they have proper

consultation around their new

constitution and ultimately holding

elections. But this is a real

opportunity. You have a new

Minister of Foreign Affairs. There

is a real opportunity after years

of this level of strife and

uncertainty in Fiji, there is a

real opportunity to say this is the

policy, this is what we want to see

and what we reasonably expect in a

short period. Have you, has Bob got

a plan for Fiji? We've certainly

got a plan in relation to Fiji. But

this is not rocket science. What

we've seen over a number of years

in Fiji is an abuse of human rights

and a dee Nile of democratic

freedoms. The simple plan is if

they want to return to democracy,

we stand ready to help them. We're

doing that. We've got a

considerable aid program in Fiji. A

lot of that is focussed on

returning Fiji to democracy and

trying to help build the democratic

base in Fiji and help them work on

the machinery of holding an

election. That's what we need to do.

The issue with Fiji is it's got to

be a two-way street. That means

we've got o see them coming and

they are going to want to receive

that help. Both ourselves and the

Kiwis to be honest are struggling

to get to it, being able to engage

them on walking down that

democratic path. I think that's

really the challenge for us now.

Sure, I think any new base opens up

opportunity, but ultimately what

we've got to see from the Fijians

is a genuine desire to move towards

democracy. What do you think the

key differences will be working for

Bob Carrv Kevin Rudd? I think I

made no bones about it that I very

much enjoyed working with Kevin

Rudd. I think he was a fantastic

Prime Minister. I had a couple of

hours with Bob, I had met Bob as a

young Labor person. He wouldn't

have remembered that. I did. This

was my first session with Bob. Bob

is a person of enormous gravitas.

He's a great bloke. Foreign

relations is not different to human

relations. He has the most

impressive library I've ever seen

in my life. I left that first

meeting with a bog rafi and a book

on military history. That may be a

difference in the working

experience. Have you read them? No,

I'm up to page 67 of the biography.

So, Bob, I'm doing my best to get

across that. I think it will be a

lot of fun. Very diplomatic answer.

We would expect nothing less from

you. There's one question that I

needed answered ever since there

was toing and froing about the

Foreign Minister role. Did Bob Carr

agree to take the role in the

Senate because he was also offered

the role as Foreign Minister? Would

he have disagreed to being in the

Senate if he didn't get that role?

I think there's been a lot made of

particular conversations, but what

matters is this is a really good

move to get someone of his calibre

into this role, in terms of being a

Senator for NSW and making a

contribution in the Senate but as

our Foreign Minister, particularly

given he has a strong passion and

history and track record in

relation to this area. I think it

doesn't matter so much the terms on

which the conversation happens, but

what matters if we have the man in

the job and today is a Bob Carr day.

Thank you for your time.

You know the Ottoman Empire was one

of the longest surviving empires.

And one of the longest books. The

other thing with Bob Carr is he has

a beautiful voice. If this whole

political thing doesn't work out,

he could be a host on a beautiful

music station. Listen to his voice.

It is a lovely resonant voice. What