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Hello and welcome to Meet the Press.

the first time On Tuesday the parliament sits for

the first time since the election,

and the chamber will be a very

different proposition, with no

majority government ruling the

roost. A foretaste of how intense

the battle will be came with the the battle will be came with the

collapse of the agreement over

voting arrangements for the Speaker.

The only basis on which the speaker

can be paired is an informal

arrangement. Now the government of

the country, legislation that

passes the parliament is too

important to be based on an informal arrangement.

I would have thought it was a

reasonable expectation that the

Leader of the Opposition would also Leader of the Opposition would also

honour his word. He has now said to

me and effectively the Australian me and effectively the Australian

people that his word is worth

absolutely nothing.

black, according That's the pot calling the kettle

black, according to Mr Abbott.

To win votes, the Prime Minister

specifically ruled out a carbon tax.

To form government, with the

Greens' support, the Prime Minister Greens' support, the Prime Minister

has specifically ruled in a carbon

tax, and what that means is that

this government essentially based

on a lie.

The Coalition really needs to get

with the change here. It is

behaving as if we are in a

parliament with the old majority

versus the opposition.

The spirit that Mr Abbott is

bringing to this parliament is one

of what can he wreck, rather than

what can he achieve.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is our

guest. But first, what the nation's

26th September. papers are reporting this Sunday, papers are reporting this Sunday,

It's all AFL grand final in

Melbourne, the Sunday Herald Sun,

front page says it all, "Can't

split 'em." There's a rematch next

week with ten minutes extra time

scheduled if needed. The paper

points to this earlier plea from

the Prime Minister.

Please, please, please, can we not

have a draw? Our nation just

couldn't bear it. Australian's

deserve a result today.

The standoff over Deputy Speaker is

in all the papers. The Sun Herald

has "Bully" Abbott blocks speaker

hopes. Labor has accused Tony

Abbott of intimidating Liberal MP

Alex Somlyay out of standing for

the Deputy Speaker's position.

Liberal Party rat. There's no question of me being a

With Defence Minister Stephen Smith

in Afghanistan, The Sunday Age

reports, review of our role there. Federal cabinet's national security

committee has ordered an assessment

amid mounting casualties and claims

the troops are being denied

essential support.

The Sunday Mail and other News

Limited papers report, Australians

back right to die legislation. An

Auspoll has found 78% of people

want the Federal Government to

overturn laws banning euthanasia in

the ACT and Northern Territory.

Welcome back to the program Julia

Gillard. Good morning Prime


I noticed the black and white

chequered. Despite a police,

yesterday, we have a draw and make

Collingwood? do you agree with the captain of

Firstly, nobody should take any

implication from the wearing of a

black-and-white chequered. I do

have a purple top on. It was

obviously a very tense day

yesterday. They AFL, the history

and tradition is to play the Grand

Final again, so everybody is

heading to next Saturday now.

It did think that attitude is a big

Neanderthal? Maybe it is time to update themselves?

I'm sure there will be any amount

of debate on this topic, given the

result yesterday, but heading into

the Grand Final yesterday, had

anybody being asked, what happens

in a draw, they would have said,

the game is played again. It will

be an 8 1/4 Grand Final. Very

pressurised for the players. But we saw some extraordinary football yesterday.

Very diplomatic, the Minister.

A poll says that 70% of Australians

would like to see the ban on

euthanasia legislation in the two

majority? territories overturned. AU with the

I think this is a question which

people will work through as a

matter of individual decision, not matter of individual decision, not

looking at the newspaper polls.

Looking at what they think is the

right thing to do. Number one, the

question of the capacity of

territories to legislate like

states. And whether people have a

few about euthanasia. People will

resolve the issue for themselves.

There will be a conscious boat. --

a conscience vote.

What is your attitude in principle?

In principle, I do find this a

difficult question. Intellectually,

you would say that people should be

able to make their own decisions.

But I find it very hard to

conceptualise how we could have the

sort of safeguards that we would

need if we did say that euthanasia

was legal. I find it almost

impossible to conceptualise how

there would be appropriate steps there would be appropriate steps

and safeguards. I am conflicted on

it in that sense.

Going to roll Merkel politics, the

Liberal MP has now withdrawn his

bid to be Deputy Speaker. Do you

sleeve? have another Liberal up your

I think all this means is that as

we head towards parliament opening

on Tuesday, and parliamentary

business proper on Wednesday,

increasingly, we are seeing that Mr

Abbott believes his roll is to

wreck. He is acting like a ball in

a china shot. -- a bull in a china

shot. I believe that Australians

want us to get on with the job and

make the parliament work. I will be

asking myself every day, what can

we build, what can we do positively

in this parliament. That is why I

entered into the agreement on

parliamentary reform. That is why I

am ready to honour the agreement on

parliamentary reform. And it is

deeply disappointing that Mr Abbott

would say yes to parliamentary

reform, signed the agreement, see

his represent his engage in the

group Haag, Seabrook the report

warned himself, and then trash it

when it doesn't suit him.

So you are still looking for

someone to pay with your speaker?

We will present Harry Jenkins for

will candidate as Speaker. Whoever

is the speaker is a decision of the

whole House of Representatives. Of

course, we are looking to honour

the agreement as best we can in

circumstances where Mr Abbott says,

my job is to be a wrecker. That's

all he wants to do. Smash things,

trash bins, break them up.

Tony Abbott's case against your

credibility is based on this credibility is based on this

unequivocal statement you made five

days out from the election. There

will be no carbon tax under the

government I lead. Things have

changed as a result of the election,

but to Deputy Prime Minister has

said that you are heading for a

surplus in three years. Why can't

you give the same straight out

commitment to no carbon tax?

I think we have to be realistic

here. Circumstances have changed.

During the election campaign, I was announcing the Government's

position. Of course, the government position. Of course, the government

has policies and plans. We also have a House of Representatives

were we cannot just go to the House

of Representatives and say, here is

the Government's position. That is

not the circumstance we find

ourselves in. I would also say but ourselves in. I would also say but

significantly, we have seen make a

very important speech on

arrangements for carbon pricing.

And the view of a business like BHP

for a certainty. What that means is

that we will work constructively in

the new parliament. That is what I the new parliament. That is what I

have said we would do. With the

Greens, with the independents, and

they offer is open to the Liberal

party. We are putting together a

committee which is open to all

sides of politics. Who agreed that

climate change is real and we need

to price carbon in order to reach

the targets we have set ourselves

in 2020. In Mr Abbott wants to take

a constructive approach, he could

see his party be a part of the discussions.

Time for a break.. When we return

with the panel is it time to bust

open the detention centre policy

for asylum seekers?

And one thing that can be said for

Labor's now renominated Speaker,

Harry Jenkins, is that he has a

sense of humour. Though on Tuesday

it was more like gallows humour.

There is some uncertainty about my

personal future, so as I might only

have the gig for another seven days,

I'm trying to make the most of my time.

And his inspiration comes from the

one hit wonders Chumbawumba. I get

knocked down, but I get up again,

you're never gonna keep me down.

with adequate protein

This programme is captioned live.

You're on Meet the Press with The

Prime Minister. And welcome to the

panel Steve Lewis from News Limited

and Michelle Grattan from The Age.

Good morning, Steve and Michelle.

This week saw a new focus on

Australia's policy of detaining

illegal immigrants and asylum

seekers who come in boats. Rooftop

protests at Sydney's Villawood

detention centre were quickly

linked by the Opposition to

detention centres bursting at the

seams, thanks to an increase in the number of seaborne refugees.

If there are 5,000 people in

detention, it's not because of the

policy of detention. It's because

of the policy that has encouraged

so many to actually get on a boat

and come here.

Prime Minister, apart from the

policies you have already announced,

are you going to look at some new,

specific measures to try to stop

the flow of boats? As I announced

in the election campaign, my

solution is to have a regional

protection framework. And we will

be pursuing it. With our neighbours,

including with East Timor. But

there would do is take away any

incentive to get on a boat. We

don't want is see the evil trade a

people smuggling. That is the

solution on focused on. More

urgently, you have to face up to

the problem with what to do with

the processing of the Afghan people

from there has been a freeze

imposed on it. But that is about to

come to an end. You have to decide

whether to renew it of start

processing those people. What is your inclination?

This is not a question of

inclination, it is a question of

the best country information we can

get about Afghanistan. And that

country information is assisted by

the work of the UN High Commission

on Refugees and the information

they help nations like Australia

with when it comes to country

circumstances. So I am not going to

pre-charge. We will work through

the Minister for Immigration in the

first instance and then the

Government as a whole.

There are around about 5,000 people

currently in detention. Do you know

how many of those are the children

and as the number of children

Curran are being held in detention

centres actually worry you?

We have to be a little bit careful

here when we use the word attention

from of course, we have a policy of

mandatory detention of making sure

that people are detained. We need

to have proper health checks,

security checks and processing from

also have a set of values which

guides how family groups,

particularly children, will be

treated, and the kind of

circumstances in which they will

leave. So when you look around at

the country, it is possible for

families to live in quite different

circumstances from the high-

security detention imagers that

people see on their television

screens. They are being held in screens. They are being held in

motels are supposed to behind

barbed wire? They are being held in

a combination which we believe is

suitable for families and for

children from as a political party

in opposition, we did not believe

that children should be held behind razor wire in high-security

detention. So we have worked to have more

have more appropriate accommodation

for family groups and children. But

there has been an not have

criticism from mental health

experts for example, including one

of your own advisory bodies, about

the effect that this policy and the

uncertainty people face, is having

on people, including on children.

There are some people who would

prefer we did not have mandatory

detention. But the government

policy is a mandatory detention.

When people are detained, we take

advice about the best way of

providing services to people,

including health services.

Obviously, we too were quick mental

health experts on that.

Despite assurances from the top

brass that our troops in

Afghanistan are well supported,

stories keep coming out of the

ranks that this is not the case.

The Defence Force Association makes

this point.

The Australians and Afghans

involved did very, very well in it,

but at the end of the day, they had

to withdraw because their

ammunition was running out and they

didn't have sufficient force to the

enemy force. Now, if they'd been

able to do that, they possibly

wouldn't have had to fight a battle

the next day and the day after and

the day after that. So that's the

big lesson in this.

My colleague this week has exposed

the concerns of soldiers about the

state of play for a were troops in

Afghanistan. Had the sort personal

assurances that Allah soldiers want

for nothing? But they're well

supported? On an ongoing basis, the

Government reduced force protection.

I did read the story which had the

details of an email from a soldier. details of an email from a sol ier.

I also watched and I am sure you

would have, too, the press

conference the next day from the

chief of operations about the

circumstances of that battle. Where

quite a different he was bought. He

made the point that people in a

combat situation can walk away from

the same incident with very

different perspectives about what

had happened. Of the army works

through a process where they

collect the various views of what

has happened in the battle produce

a synthesised view of what has

occurred. On 4th protection, the

government is committed to

providing our troops the protection

they need. There was a review which

led to a stepping up and investing

$1.1 billion in force protection.

Be keep the area under constant

review through our national

security committee and we will

continue to do so. What of a

general policy? We have had more

police forces to go to Afghanistan,

but there is more American pressure

for further troops. AU inclined to

be sympathetic to that request?

When you say American pressure, we

have not received a request to

increase our numbers of troops in

Afghanistan. Were engaged in a

major increase around 12 months ago,

we believe the numbers are about

right. Watts Stephen Smith has been

talking about is adding to our

training capacity for training

police and we will work through

that question. When it comes to the

deployment in Afghanistan, as a

government, we are committed to the

mission in Afghanistan. We are

committed to seeing it through. I

believe our troop numbers are about

right and we will continue Stev

fast in the pursuit of the mission.

It isn't easy, obviously, we have

seen soldiers lose their lives, and

seen soldiers lose their lives, and

a lot of tragedy, but we remain

committed to getting the job done.

The jobless training the Afghan

National Army so they can provide stability and security in Afghanistan.

And coming up, it's been a big week

for Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd. We

ask who's top dog in Foreign Policy.

The debate over resourcing our

troops in Afghanistan pressed a few

buttons for syndicated cartoonist Zanetti.

Julia wants to know if we need a

national broadband network or a national broadband network or a million dollar bicycle shed.

This programme is captioned live.

You're on Meet the Press with the

Prime Minister. Rivalries at the

top of governments are nothing new,

there was Hawke and Keating, Howard

and Costello, and now the

Opposition says there is another

lethal rivalry between Gillard and

Rudd. The new Foreign Minister

certainly enjoyed the limelight in

New York. Kevin Rudd still feels

deeply resentful, Alan, about the

fact that he was politically

assassinated, when in his view, he

remained the best person to lead

the Labor Party into the election.

Prime Minister, do you feel Kevin

Rudd breathing down your neck?

We're working together, getting on

with the job, working as a tame. I am working closely and

constructively with Kevin Rudd

foreign policy questions.

You're going to four international

conferences. Will Kevin Rudd

accompany you on those trips?

These are leaders events so I will

be attending them. Kevin will have

a travel program as Foreign

Minister. You should expect the

arrangements between Kevin Rudd and

I to be exactly the same as

arrangements between Prime

Ministers and foreign ministers in

the past.

One of the conferences would be a

trip to Brussels. You'll be flying

to Brussels for about 24 hours and

then back to Australia. That would

leave a large carbon footprint. Why

is this particular meeting so important?

As you well no, from the point of

view of journalists, it can be hard

to win this one. If you go quickly,

you talk about carbon for a print,

it of has gone for a long time, the

headlines would be ridden. This is

an important meeting. That is the

first time Australia has had the

opportunity to sit at a table at

this particular table, which brings

together the leaders of Asia and

Europe. It is important because it

brings together so many of the

economies with which we trade,

increased trade means increased

jobs for Australians.

You are not known as a foreign

policy specialist but he will have

a chance to meet with the British

Prime Minister, the US President,

etc. How do you think you're good

mixing it with world leaders? Will

be able to hold around and forge a

new identity on the global stage?

People of this the come into this

position as Prime Minister from a

variety of life parts

variety of life parts and Life

journeys. Kevin came in with a

great will have expertise in

foreign affairs, having spent much

of his life as a diplomat. And

ministers past, Bob Hawke, Paul

Keating, John Howard, they didn't

have that prism of foreign policy.

But which are then cut out a

particular roll and the world stage.

I will obviously be looking to be

in this international meetings as a

feisty advocate of our national

interest other Australian interests interest other Australian interests

on the world stage when it in that

roll as feisty advocate, you have

several conferences coming up. What

will be the priorities you will be

pushing at those conferences.

A clear priority for the government

and how we intersect with these

world events is keeping our economy

strong. The globe this still in a

tentative recovery phase from the

global financial crisis. Our

economy is coming a stronger than

major economies around the world

and that means we have a unique

opportunity to keep building

economic strength because we are

coming out of the global financial

crisis so strong. Of that means

that on the agenda of this meetings,

whether it is the G20 or rather

meetings, is what the world needs

to do as we emerge and the global

to do as we emerge and the global

financial crisis to get the global

economy are strong as possible from

a have you been reluctant to move

into the logic was Mark Wyatt has

it taken so long?

Not a question of reluctant. I Not a question of reluctant. I

thought it was proper that I would

not move into the lodge until I had

been elected by the Australian

people. Since the election, there

have been some simple mundane

matters of repair work, and

securing some asbestos.

Kenny tell us about the roll of the

first bloke who has given up his job in Melbourne?

Tim will be with me in the large as

by Palmer, supporting me the way

his does. It can expect to see him

continue his advocacy for men's

health. He is someone who is very

much taken up with advocacy about men looking after

men looking after themselves. Thank

you, Prime Minister. Thanks also to

our panel, Michelle Grattan and

Steve Lewis. A transcript and a

replay of this program will be on

our website. Until next week, goodbye.