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As we've been hearing this

morning, the Electrical Trades

Union has raised concerns about

home insulation installers

inspecting their own work under

the new government scheme. For

more, the

more, the shadow Parliamentary

Secretary for climate action

Senator Simon Birmingham joins

us now from Canberra. Good

morning. Good morning, Joe.

Now, a lot of these installers

are really struggling now. We

just heard from one of the

installers now they have huge

financial commitments they've

made in this industry and now

they're having to sack workers.

What should the government

What should the government be

doing to help these

companies? This is the latest

in this saga of human tragedy

that has evolved under Peter

Garrett's home insulation

program. I saw your interview

before with Tony from Eureka

Insulation and my heart goes

out to people like Tony because

there are no doubt there are

many, many people who have been

involved in the insulation

industry, not just for the last

12 months of this

12 months of this program, but

for many years, many years

prior to Peter Garrett

supercharging this industry

with his insulation cash

hand-out. And unfortunately for

people like Tony and their

employees they are doing it

extremely tough at present and

the government having now just

pulled the rug out from

underneath them is leaving them

languishing for a period of

months. It's one thing for

months. It's one thing for them to offer some emergency

retrenchment assistance for a

few employees but it's the

employers who need to be

supported, who need to be

ensureed that they can stay in

business until of course we get

some type of replacement scheme

up and running. But this is

just another example of the

litany of failures in this

program, all of which were

foreseen in the two Minter Ellison

Ellison reports the government received way back in April of

last year. Specifically, what should the government be doing

to help those businesses right

now? It's up to the government

to work out the right type of

support mechanism. The

government has over the last

couple of weeks reacted very actively without I have

consultation with industry in

consultation with industry in a

fairly knee-jerk fashion. They

firstly cancelled the foil insulation rebate. Then when

the pressure continued to build

and the examples of mismanagement under this

program continued to build they

cancelled the entire program.

They did so without going

through with manufacturers and

reputable businesses the types

of things those businesses

business. might need to actually stay in

business. So Peter Garrett,

rather than defending himself

continuously, should actually

if he is going to cling on to

being minister, should be

bringing companies like Tony's

to Canberra to sit undown with

him so he can tell him what it

is they need to stay in

business so we still have some

sort of insulation industry

left in Australia by July. Do

you believe the government may be exposed to compensation

claims from these be exposed to compensation

compensation was something companies? The risk of

again highlighted by the two

Minter Ellison reports. The

risk of compensation from home

owners who might suffer fires.

The risk of compensation from

the families of workers who

tragically have been electro

cuted and the risk of compensation claims from

businesses who have been so

stuffed around by this program

industry and has now that supercharged their

industry and has now totally

pulled the rug out that indeed

there is an enormous potential

here. But I come back to the

point that once again it was foreseen, the risk was

foreseen, Minter Elton in independent advice to the

government provided on April 9

of last year foresaw those

risks and told the government

about them, and yet the

government failed to act

appropriately and the buck must

stop with Peter Garrett. With

this safety audit process, who

this safety audit process, who

sud be checking the safety and

the quality of of the

insulation of these batts? The Electrical Trades Union makes a

very good point that in sending

out the people who did the

insulation in the first place

you have to question whether

they are going to of course

undertake a fair and thorough

inspection of their own work.

We don't ask students to mark

their own work pat school. We

their own work pat school. We

shouldn't be asking installers

to work their own work as to whether it is safe and up to

standard. These are very

serious problems. Again, the

government has potentially a

thousand or so electrified

roofs as a result of their

mismanagement of this program

but they have no clear plan as

to when each and every roof

fitted with foil insulation

will actually be checked to

ensure that those homes aren't

ensure that those homes aren't actually a massive safety

trap. You've been calling for Peter Garrett's resignation.

Will the opposition now commit

to similar ministerial

principles, if a minister is

warned several times of a potential with a problem and

goes ahead with that program,

that that minister will

resign? I will let Tony Abbott

resign? I will let Tony Abbott

put the policies down for the

whole coalition as do the

standards of ministerial responsibility. Is that

something you would agree with

this principle? I will be happy

to say if I have the privilege

of serving I would expect to

the types of standard that we

are holding Peter Garrett to.

He was not warned not once or

He was not warned not once or

twice. We have 21 documented

instances where he has warned.

We have now reports to went to

government that foresaw all of

the problems that eventuated

with this scheme and the

consequences of not acting on

those warnings appropriately

have been dire with four tragic

deaths, 93 hours fires and tens

of thousands of homes fitted with ineffective

with ineffective insulation.