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leadership of the Opposition.

That's on twit it We'll go to

more ob this story now on the

ruckses within the Liberal

Party. And we're joined now by

South Australian Liberal

Senator Simon Birmingham. From

Senator Simon Birmingham. From our. Good morning and thank you

for joining us. Good morning.

Good morning viewers.

Well it's good and important to

clarify I guess lines of allegiance this morning. It's

fair to say that you're a

supporter of Malcolm Turnbull? Virginia, I've been

very clear throughout this

debate that I am a supporter of

Malcolm Turnbull. That I'm

supporter of action on climate change but there are two things

that I guess I would like to

make clear at the outset today,

that is that this is of course

a very sad and sorry day and

difficult times for the Liberal

Party and to say to to

supporters, to our members, to

our donors , to our friends out

there, please understand that

this has come about because you

elect conviction politicians to the parliament because there

are people representing you who

have strong views and on these

issues, we've seen that those

strong views have differed and that's created a lot of

difficulty but secondly, over

the coming days of course, we

will work to try to resolve

these very extraordinary

situations that we find

ourselves in. We obviously

can't allow things to go on as

they are. Yesterday was a

terribly difficult day for the

party and we need to find ways

to work through these issues

and work through them in a way

that brings us together and

allows us to go forward on all

the other issues in which we

are in such passionate

agreement as a united

team Let's try and take those

issues in in order. First of

all do you believe the

Emissions Trading Scheme

legislation will pass the

Senate, that the Government

still has enough support from

some of you Liberals to get it through? Well Virginia it

remains the policy of the Liberal Party leadership and the Liberal Party to support

the Emissions Trading Scheme, the Emissions Trading Scheme,

that's work that we'll be

undertaking in the Senate today

and we'll continue to do that

in goot faith Do you think you'll undertake it

successfully in tend? I do

know. I'm not going to give predictions to today. And I

don't really want to deal in

hypotheticals today. I said we need to work through this

issue. We have an interesting

situation, the overwhelming

majority of Liberals agree that with action on climate change,

support the need for strong

action on climate change. action on climate change. And

Malcolm Turnbull rhetoric is

spot on in that regard. But

there are many issues with the

Emissions Trading Scheme. We've

tried to fix it, we've tried to

fix it through negotiations

with the Government, and a

majority all be it a slimmer

one agreed to accept those

amendments. So I know the time

is tight this morning and we

want to get that outline of

your points, Malcolm Turnbull is right then when

is right then when he says it's

paraphrasing here but it's a

matter of on or for the Liberal

Party that having negotiated in

good faith and agreed with

these amendments that you

manage to get through that you

then have to stand up and

support this legislation? I'm

not sure that they're the words

I'd choose to use to use

Virginia. They believe yes we

negotiated an outcome. That

doesn't make it a perfect

scheme. It certainly isn't a

perfect seemment there are perfect seemment there are will

be manges to come and if it

doesn't pass question try to

work on more perfect

outcomes Let's go more directly

then to the issue confronts

your party which is the Liberal

leadership and many are scrir describing Malcolm Turnbull's

leadership the today as

unstenable girp the number of

people and the innerity of the

people who have quit the frontbench. Do you believe

there needs to be a leadership spill and that someone else needs to take over the needs to take over the party? I believe that Malcolm Turnbull

can lead us into the future. But obviously these are

extraordinary times and these

are difficult times and as I

said before, we're going to

spend some time I imagine over

the next few day, over the

weekend, working out hower with

can resolve those issues. Some

may choose to bring on a spill,

that in the end is of course

their call, their decision if

they choose to do so Do you

think that's the right thing to

do if that I do? Well, we had a

vote the other day, that vote the other day, that

investor of course chose not to

have a spill. That puts us in a

difficult situation. Since then

we've had many frontbenchers

resign and obviously the

tensions have heightened a lot.

These are as I said, difficult

times, these are times that the

Liberal Party has certainly

never seen before, not in the

very short time that I've been

here but in the decades that

some of my colleagues have been

here in the Australian parliament. Fwheed to find ways parliament. Fwheed to find ways

to heal the party, bring it

together and ensure that we can

present to our support terse

unified front of passionate

conviction politicians, that we

have but working in the same

direction You mentioned before

that the public at large should

be aware that you're a group of

passionate conviction

politicians with strong

opinions, but have those strong

opinions as they've been

expressed over the last few

days and culminating in these days and culminating in these frontbench resignations and

criticism of town bull, have

they been expressed in the best

interests of the party in your

view? I think over the last not

just few days but few weeks and

few months there have been

remarks made along the way,

some contributions that have

been less helpful than others

to the upy of the party and

that's terribly disappointing

but I'm not about to lay blame

on party in in the end these

are people who hold very strong views, I had views, I had strong views on

some issues, they hold strong

views around this Emissions

Trading Scheme. I respect that,

I've respected their right to

cross the floor I'm

disappointed the way some of

the debate has been conducted

ch our supporters expect better

of us and we should deliver

better for them and that's what

I hope we can do as we work through these issues over the

next few days. If there is a

tilt at the leadership do you

believe just picking up your

final theme there, do you

believe taebl is cabinet of

uniting the party? I will work

who ever is leader of the

Liberal Party is and I hope

that all my colleague will do

likewise. I hope that Malcolm

Turnbull can continue to be the

leader of the Liberal Party but

if that's not the case, thenly

work with Tony or whom ever else emerges in that capacity

because we need to heal the

rift and offter Australian

people the type of choice and people the type of choice and

the type of alternative that

John Howard so successfully

offered for more than ten