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(generated from captions) journalists' families. The pair

are now in a hotel in Mogadishu

and are expected to fly out of

the country today. The discuss the latest development in Nigel

Brennan's reletes and the

stalemate over the Government's

planned changes to the youth

allowance, deputy prime

minister Julia Gillard joins us

now from Canberra. First of all

your reaction to the great news

this morning that Nigel Brennan

has been released? Obviously

the media is reporting that Mr

Brennan has been released. Mr

Brennan's incarceration has

obviously been something of

great distress to the Brennan

family. It's been a dreadful

time. I'm not in a position,

Joe, where I can officially

confirm these media reports.

Obviously my colleague the

Minister for Foreign Affairs,

Stephen Smith, will be

monitoring all of this very

closely and as soon as we are

in a position to give people

official information we will. Moving

will. Moving on to your youth

allowance, it looks like that's

going to be voted down in the

Senate once again. The

Opposition's primary concern is rural student will be

disadvantaged in the long-term.

Can you guarantee they won't

be? This is a better system

for rural students, full stop.

And I've agreed to a review of

this system so that the

evidence will be there for

everyone to see and I'm prepared to say to the

Australian people and to rural

students in particular I am

absolutely confident this is a better system for rural

students and if we are able to

implement it then the figures

will show it's better for rural

students. The Opposition is

basically asking for a

continuation of the current

system under which we've seen the participation rates

the participation rates of

country kids in universities go

down, go backwards, so the

current system is a bad system.

This will be better for rural

kids and it's not too late for

this legislation to go through.

We are asking the Opposition to

get with supporting rural kids

and allow this to go through.

If they don't, the consequences

for students right around the

nation next year are really

catastrophic. 150,000 kids

won't get paid scholarships, a

further 100,000 who could have

got youth allowance for the

first time or could have got

more youth allowance won't be

able to have that money

paid. Why was it necessary to

create thissuchuation where all

those payments were put

those payments were put in

danger in the first place?

When you're changing a scheme,

obviously you can only have

authority to pay new benefits

if the parliament passes your

legislation. We've never had

scholarships for 150,000 kids

before. I can't pay those kids

those scholarships unless the

legislation passes the

parliament. We've never had

this broad brush access to

youth allowance through

youth allowance through a more

generous parental means test

before. I can't implement that

unless parliament passes the

legislation so the great

benefits of this package can't

be delivered to students unless

the Opposition, the Liberal and

National Parties, change their

mind and allow this bill to go through the parliament. It's

not too late for them to do

so. With all this focus on the

ETS, how is there possibly going to be time in the Senate

to consider this? Well, the

carbon pollution reduction

scheme will be considering

first then of course this bill

can be considered afterwards.

We've already had hours and

hours and hours of debating

time on this bill. It's in its

very final stages or it aus in

its very final stages when the Opposition basically voted to

block it. Yesterday I

reintroduced a new bill which

can go into the Senate and if

the Opposition indicates it's

prepared to vote for that bill

then it can be dealt with very,

very quickly and what I would

say to students who are anxious

about their position next year

who don't know what's

happening, who need a scholarship in order to go to

university, they need to get on

to their local member of

parliament and say, "Pass this

bill." It's time for the

Liberal and National Parties to

stop playing politics and

actually pass this bill so we

can been flt students. Turning

to the Liberal and National Parties, does Malcolm Turnbull

deserve some kudos for con

confronting the sceptics in his

party and dragging the

Coalition through some

inevitable growing pains?

inevitable growing pains? I'll

allow commentary about the

Liberal Party's internal

masinations to be done by the

political commentators in our

media and people within the

Liberal Party themselves. The

main issue here of course is to

focus on the national interest

and the national interest does

carbon pollution reduction require the passage of the

say I appreciate Malcolm scheme legislation and I would

Turnbull's had a very, very

busy week but

busy week but it's also time

for Malcolm Turnbull to focus

on the national interest in

terms of the new student

financing package, getting it

through the parliament, getting

a better system to students. He

was a participant in a

Government that saw the

participation reets of country

kids go down. Everyone's now

acknowledged the old system is

ram shack scpl needs to

ram shack scpl needs to be

replaced. We need Malcolm

Turnbull to show leadership and

lettuts replace it with a

better system. Some other news

that's been break this morning

is Barack Obama looks like he's

going to commit the US to a 17%

cut in carbon emissions in the

US by 2020. Does that mean

Australia then will ramp up its

commitment and go for the 20%

cut or 17 to 20% cut instead

cut or 17 to 20% cut instead of

the 5? Obviously Barack Obama

is making decisions for America

but what this shows, I think,

is how seriously the biggest

nations on our planet are

taking the challenge of climate

change and what it shows is

that there's no room for a

continuation of climate change

denial and skepticism. The

international interest, the

national interest requires the

national interest requires the

political leaders, whether it's

Barack Obama or Kevin Rudd and

Malcolm Turnbull, to be focused

on delivering change. We are. We obviously want the Liberal

Party working with us in the

delivery of that change. So is

Australia well positioned to

move to a 17% cut? We've

announced our targets as part

of the carbon pollution

reduction scheme and we've

announced what would cause us to increase

to increase the target from our

starting point. That depends on

international agreement. What

Barack Obama is obviously doing

is stating the position of the

United States before the

Copenhagen meeting and what I

would say is this says on

behalf of America what we've

been saying on behalf of

Australia, that's vital that

nations deal with this question

before going to Copenhagen

before going to Copenhagen so

they can be there with a clear

view to try and forge an

international agreement. That's

why we've been so determined to

have the parliament pass the

carbon pollution reduction scheme before the Copenhagen

meeting and we obviously will

continue to work over extended

sittings to get the carbon pollution reduction scheme

through and I'd say to those

remaining sceptics and deniers in the Liberal Party the time

for talk is now over. We need

to deliver the carbon pollution

reduction scheme through the

parliament. We'll see what happens. Julia Gillard in