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(generated from captions) . The top story on News Breakfast - the ALP conference

gets under way in Sydney today gets under way in Sydney today

and jobs and the economy will

be at the top of the agenda. Federal State and Territory

leaders will join 400 delegates

from around the nation for the

three day event.. The Rudd

Government says it will oppose

a push by the unions for a

green trade barriers. The

unions say Australian jobs will

be threatened by countries that

don't sign on to emissions

targets. For more the Trade

Minister Simon Crean joins us

from outside the conference in Sydney. Good morning. Good

morning Joe. Now when an

Australia has an ETS and China

and India don't, their

production costs will be

chooper and they'll have an up

fair advantage. Do you concede

that? If that's the case, and

without additional measures

under our scheme , that could

be the case. So what's the

problem with making it a level

playing ground with green trade

barriers? It doesn't make it a

level playing ground if you

introduce the trade barriers.

Because the trade barriers

become a new form of protectionism. We've fought too

long to get trade barriers

down. Why would we move in the

direction of reerecting some

new ones? Now, weness this

argument of carbon leakage,

Joe, the whole purpose of us

devising our scheme and the

issuance of free permits the in

part our approach to addressing

that. As are our measures to

encourage alternate energy

sources and to develop and

defuse in in other words, to

transfer to other countries,

the technologies that enable

anymore to reduce. What we've

got to do is to get a scheme in

place that rewards compartive

advantage. Australia's

compartive advantage is not

just its resource, but the

efficiency with which it can

extract it and the fact that

it's resource and its

development of its resource is

far cleaner than the rest of

the world. We need to get Rick

in addition of that in the

scheme. That's factly what

Labor is doing. What we don't

want is a reversion to

something that can be become

another trade barrier. But to

what extent will those measures

compensate for the imbalance,

will they compensate 100% for

that imbalance? No, they

compensate depending on the

level of emission up to 90%

Joe. That's what's in the

scheme. But of course this is

part of what we're using to

drive the debate

internationally. We have to get

a system that is

internationally accepted. But

that international acceptance

also has to recognise this

principle of common but differentiated, in other words,

countries at different stages

of development may get more time

time to adjust. That's why

we've introduced these measures

such as the issue of the free

permits to help our businesses

get through that transition

time. By all of this depends on

what the final outcome is. My

point is, apart from the

administrative difficulty of

the border tax arrangements, it

invites retaliatory measures, invites retaliatory measures,

it becomes a new form of trade

barrier, but the worst aspect

is, it's conceding defeat

before we even start. Now, I

think it's far better for Labor

to go forward with a scheme

that all of our parties support

and that the broad community

the main supports, it's only the Opposition that are

stalling on this, to go forward

with that in a progressive way,

to try and get the to try and get the maximum

outfrm from the Copenhagen

agreement and not begin

watering it down. So you're

going to stare the unions down

on this at the conference?

We're not going to support

measures that run the risk of

becoming a new form of

protectionism. That's what

border taxes can become. Quite

apart from their administrative

complexity. I mean, people who

scradicate this, I don't think

have thought the consequences

through. Let's have a debate

about it but we will not

support it many. Is there any

chance that compensation to the

coal industry for an ETS will

be doubled to $1.5

approximately. No, we've put

our proposals out into the coal

of the industry. We've put the

white paper out, we've invited

comment about that and we've

introduced legislation based on

that comment. It's passed the

House of Representatives. All

we're waiting for... At least

Malcolm Turnbull is showing a

preparedness to move in that

direction. We hope he moves

the full way. Can you guarantee

there will be no job losses in

the coal industry because of an

ETS? Le what we are saying is

resident's not just look at

this argument from the perspective of perspective of with where the

threats are. There are huge

opportunities for Australia and

job opportunities in green

jobs. We are the most

efficient, effective producer

of resources in the world.

We've got to get compartive

advantage for it, but we're

also going to be introducing

again if the Senate passes a

man dated renewable energy

target, that will lift the capacity to develop capacity to develop renewable

energy. We can export that to

the world. I believe that there

are job opportunities out of

embracing climate change

sensibly, understanding what

the real challenge is and

understanding most of all what

the compart yoif advantage of

this country is. Green jobs this... You can't give that

guarantee in relation to coal.

Another issue up for discussion

at the conference is at the conference is the

importation of cheap copies of

Australian books, the left

wants that rejected. An

Australian author says allowing

parallel importation will cost jobs in publishing and

printing, reduce the number of

current prieters able to write

full, reduce the number of new Australian writers and the

number of Australian stories

being told. Are you prepared to

live with nah legacy? Hang on,

this is a very complex this is a very complex issue.

We have a report from the

Productivity Commission, we will consider that report and

make our judgment paced on all

of the relatations made around

it. See are leaving your

noption relation to that at

this stage? Of course we R

we're not going to be rushed

into this. We're going to

consider the report, clearly

people have strong views on it,

that will be taken into account

and the Government will

determine its position determine its position

accordingly. That's ou good

Government should operate. We

look forward to some feisty

exchanges on the floor of the

national conference. Scrp,

thank you for talking to us