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Hello and welcome to

Stateline. And to winter! I'm

Philip Williams. Coming up - a

pair of birthday celebrations -

25 years for the Raiders, a

special report from Gavel

gaffe. And ten years for 'Oz

Story' an there's a connection

with Canberra there too. First

as we heard on the news, the

sale of the Snowy Hydro is off.

The PM announced this morning that the Federal Government

that the Federal Government

would not be selling its share,

followed closely by similar

announcements from the NSW and

Victorian Governments. What a

difference a day makes!

It's such a short-term

solution to their financial woes.

woes. Why does the Government

want to sell something that is

making a profit? A lot of my

colleagues are starting to get

the calls from people and are

starting to worry about it. You

can't sell water. Water belongs

to everyone.

For those opposed to the

sale, there was great water

sale, there was great water

news today - it rained and the

sale is off. I think it's positive for the community in

the long-term. Water will be an

issue for us in the future and

I think it's great for

Australia that the

infrastructure is kept with the

people. It's a big issue for everybody in Australia. Water and that the Government is

prepared to listen are both

really important things. The

public of Australia own it and

have no right to sell it. I

think if they had of sold

think if they had of sold it,

they would have lost the

election. When Robert Menzies

pulled the leaver to open the

incredible scheme, was another

Liberal PM going to be the one

turning off the tap on public

ownership? Until this morning

he was, but not now. There is

overwhelming feeling in the

community that the Snowy is an

icon, it's part of the great

saga of post-World War II

development in Australia. It

conjure s stories of tens of

thousands of European migrants

coming and blending with each

other and in the process of

working on the Snowy becoming

part of the country and people

feel that. I have listened to

that. Standing by his man, Gary

Nairn, local member, Special

Minister of State and

Minister of State and all

aboard the Snowy Express in

full reverse. I've been

listening to my constituents.

In the first instance, this was

not a privatisation by the

Australian Government, it was a

privatisation by the NSW

Government and as a minister I

accepted the decision that the

cabinet made initially to put

up the 13%, but from that

up the 13%, but from that point

I've been listening very

electorate. While the Federal carefully to my

Government was busy caring and

capitulating to public opinion,

with just 13% of the scheme, it

had the least to lose. The

majority was and now will

remain in NSW's hands.

Premierema not happy and

willing to say so again and

again. One thing I want to

again. One thing I want to say

in relation to that and that is

that the PM has pulled the rug

from under the sale. Pulled the

plug on that. He has pulled the

rug. The PM has pulled the rug.

The rug is pull. Pull the rug

on that. The pulling of the

plug on that. Thank you. But

rugs and plugs aside, the NSW

Premier says the fundamental

problem remains - he wants the

money for roads, hospitals and

the like..and the Snowy Scheme

needs investment too. It is in

a business that is competitive,

risky, it is going to need

capital. Well, that capital is

not going to come from the

taxpayer of swaels. I make that clear. There is one NSW Labour

MP with a smile today - Steve

Whan, opposed to the sale from

absolutely thrilled the very beginning. I'm

absolutely thrilled obviously.

It's something I was really

worried and upset B it's a

victory for people power, no

question. The Snowy Hydro is in

people's psyche. It is

something they care about and

they've said so. they are attached to it and


It's been an extraordinary

tale of people-power

pressure. But it was slow to

take off. Back in February,

take off. Back in February,

Stateline did a story of local

anger about the sale. We do

not want to sell Snowy Hydro.

When is the Government going to

wake up? What are they going to

do? Sell it off? We just want

it to remain Aussies. It is

down right disgusting and

deplorable. It took three

months for the public

resistance to build enough to

force a prime ministerial

scuttle. In the Cooma pubs and

clubs, there were celebrations

as news spread. I know there

will be ongoing flack that will

come out of it, particularly

from the NSW Government, but

that's up to them to sort

out. Certainly a welcome

surprise with 1.5 inches of

rain and this news. I'm a happy

little chappy today. It was a

rare victory. The Snowy Hydro,

built and paid for by the

public, no longer for sale.

Extraordinary change.

Mountaineers have been in the

news all week. The tragic loss

of life and surprising

survivals and a question mark

about the ethics of the sport.

Bill Packard is a notable

Canberra identity. He was the

founding worden of Bruce Hall

and has been climbing mountains

for 70 years. If he hadn't been

struck down with polio on his

first expedition to the

Himalayas he could have been

pack ard in the history books.

He's returned from a recent

trip and I spoke to him this

week. When did you first start

climbing mountains? How did the

passion begin? Oh, as a tramper

in snuz and tramping amongst

the mountains. It's a wonderful

thing. That was in 1945. So

I've kept going since then. I

had a spell when I had polio

when I wasn't able to do

anything for a couple of

years. So you've been doing

this for what 70 years

now? Yes, off and on. When you

have a wife and children, you

can't do it quite as much as

you would like or your wife

would let you. All this time, I

mean, you come back to

Canberra, Canberra is a lovely

place, but it's not exciting

mountaineering country is

it? Oh, it's the best place in

Australia to be. To live? But

also for

mountains. Really? Yes! You've

got the Snowy Mountains at hand

and the Brian Harradine. When I

really want to walk I go back

to New Zealand or across to the

Himalayas. I did go

mountaineering again but I

chose to stop doing anything

difficult because I wasn't

capable of helping if something

went wrong. Under perfect

conditions, good snow and steep slopes and good campaignons, I

could do it, but then in the

mountains you never know when

something will go wrong and

then I would be an

utterliability and that wasn't

fair on one's companions. Mountaineering,

particularly on Everest, has

been in the news for bad

reasons the last couple of

weeks. One of the things that

has really been thrown into

sharp focus is the moral

dilemma of at what stage do you

leave somebody on the mountain

if you think they are

dying? There is no moral

dilemma - you don't leave your

pannon. The trouble with

Everest is it's now become, as

it were, a public thoroughfare.

Just as you or I occasionally

on the streets might see

something in a crowded city and

we keep walking. Would you ever

have dreamt of a situation

where you would have left a

companion to die? No! People

have risked their lives and

even lost their lives in making

every endeavour to get them

down. Is that the right thing

to do? That's the right thing

to do. Even if it's at the risk

of your own life? Yes. When you

heard the story of the man

before Lincoln Hall who was

dying on the mountain and 40 or

50 people walked past him and

didn't help... I felt sad for

what had been for me always a

wonderful sport. That's lost a

lot of its attractions. Everest

is just too dominant in

people's minds. What would you

say to critics that argue it's

essentially a selfish

sport? Like any sport, it is

self-indulgent. I wouldn't

think that some of our rugby

footballers are doing it for

the public benefit! And that's

no more selfish than setting

yourself out to run a marathon

and make that your dominant

vision. What would you say to

all those people that walk past

a man dying on Everest? There's

never nothing that you can do.

Even comforting somebody who is

dying is desirable. And to

stay with somebody in that

condition is important. Does it

say something about the broader

society, do you think? I guess

it is one of the late 20th

century and going on into the

21st century, this cult of

individualism above everything

else. No. Now to a different sport, the Canberra Raiders

came into existence in 1982 and

at that early stage the team

might have been called the

Senators. Thankfully, better

judgment prevailed. Club won

its first premiership a few

years later in the 1989 grand

final. Canberra turned green in

celebration. This Saturday, the

team and its fans celebrate

again and in this special

report, Tim Gavel reviews the

Raiders' first quarter century.

COMMENTATOR: Up they go for

it! Oh, it's picked up! Over

the past 25 years, it's been a

rollercoaster ride for those emotionally attached to the

Canberra Raiders. The rarth

were admitted to the NSW

premiership midway through 1981

following submission from the Canberra and District Rugby

League for entry into the

Sydney competition in 1982. You

and I and George. Les was one

of the driving forces behind

the Canberra bid as they

attempted to persuade a

sceptical board that the club

from the ACT should be chosen

against one from

Campbelltown. They were worried

about travelling to Canberra,

now they travel to New

Zealand. Now 91 years of age, Les remembers the final

apprehension to the league as

if it was yesterday. They

called me up and asked me to

get in there and offer to pay

all their expenses to come to

Canberra otherwise we wouldn't

get in. So I went in and

promised the world. I promised

to pay all their accommodation

expenses, their bus fares or if

it came to travelling by air,

we would pay airfares. How do

you feel when people call you

the father of the Raiders? A

little embarrassing at times

because one man can't do it. It

takes a team of fellows. If it

wasn't for Michael and Ron and

Don and a few others, we

wouldn't have been able to get

there. I'm quite sure of

disgla. With the Canberra team

admitted to the competition

with the backing of the

Queanbeyan Leagues Club, the

next challenge was to find

players that. Task fell to

former Australian player, Don

Furner, installed as the

Raiders' first coach. I used to

go and talk to the players I

wanted and they said, "You're

kidding, how are you going

to..." After I sort of got four

or five players to come, then

people started to sit up and

listen. But the first year we

had to wait. We were getting

flogged, belted and it was hard

to attract the top

class. Working alongside Furner

was Les McIntyre's son, John.

He became the first club

secretary or chief

executive. It was hard to

convince them we were going to

be successful. But fortunately

that we were able to convince a

few of the fellows that if we

could - once we spoke to one

guy and he had a mate or two

mates that might be available

you could look at and negotiate

a package deal so that they

weren't coming here one out. In

the end, most came from the

local competition. Angel Marina

was one of those players. How

does it feel to be finally

walking back on to Seaford

Oval? It's a fantastic ground.

We always used to run up in the

first half and run towards the

scoreboard in the second half.

We had a down Hill run so

thought we had an advantage if

we did that. NEWSREEL: Marina

scores! And there were other

issues to consider, such as the

colour and design of the club's

jumper. The lime green colour

that has become so distinctive

came from an unusual source. Is

it true that the colour of the

jumper came from a chair at the Queanbeyan Leagues

Club? Exactly. We wanted a

different green to South Sydney

and it happened to be the up

Holtry in Les's offer was that

colour on the chair. We said

that's the colour we want. When

I walked in here to take up

office and I saw that chair and

I said that was the bloody

inspiration for the foot ball

jumper. With the team on the

field, the fledgling club

started with seven losses in a

row. In the 8s round., the

Raiders recorded a win over

Newtown. From the outset, it was obvious in order to be a

force, the team needed a

marquis player. The

breakthrough came in 1985 when

young quld centre Mal Meninga

signed with the Raiders. One of

the major reasons was because

of Don Furner. I have a lot of respect for him.

respect for him. I met him a

couple of times. Success soon

followed with a grand final

appearance in 1987, culminating

in a premiership two years

later. The emotional scenes in

Canberra after the premiership

win surprised even the most

ardent Raiders

supporters. We're the best team

in the world. Keeping a lid on

the celebrations wasn't easy,

but the Raiders backed up to win the premiership win the premiership the

following year. Daly across

Liam! There's the support! the

Raiders are in! But success

sometimes comes at a price as

the club found in 1991. There

were financial problems lead

together establishment of

the'Save the Raiders' fund

followed by a salary cap

breach. The community gets

behind it and raises money, I behind it and raises money, I

think the league will see that

as a positive step. There was

something of a vendetta. I

don't know that I could blame

people for that. It's

professional sport. One of the

things that I always use as a

defence was that we were forced

over the salary cap to over the salary cap to keep the

players that we developed

ourselves. I remain convinced

of that. In the end, John

McIntyre resigned as chief

executive. I made the decision

and said, "Right, if I go, at

least the club can get on with

life. If I remain, there would

probably still be

pressure." The club also lost

several key players as the team was forced to cut salaries was forced to cut salaries to

stay under the cap. With coach

Tim Sheens and Meninga staying

on, the roirds won their third

title in 1994. He powers away.

Mal Meninga scorps a try! The

spectre of Super League was

shadowing the premiership in

1995. The exact number, even

I'm not fully aware. There is a lot of money being thrown

away. Have you players signed

with the Super League I

believe. So We think it's a

great concept. Raiders played

in the News Ltd Super League in

1987 before the merging of the

competitions. COMMENTATOR:

From a long way out and the

Raiders beat them! In recent years, premierships have been

hard to come by. But those

involved at the start remain

just as passionate about their

team. I'd say probably more

passionate now. I certainly in

the morning leading up to a

game I'm probably almost as

nervous as a lot of the

players. I feel gutted when

they get beaten. So, you know, my passion

my passion is the thing that

keeps me involved and when that

passion goes it's time for me

to go. (Sings) # We're bad and

mean, the green machine. We hit

them hard so they see green.

We're big and strong, we're

fast and mean. That's why we're

called the green machine, we're the bad

the bad and mean green machine.

The men from the ACT. Don't try

to stop us cause we'll hit you,

hit you, hit you and you'll see

green! *




Congratulations to the

Raiders. And there's another

birthday, this time 'Australian Story' has its tenth

anniversary and part of the

celebrations including a competition, the Great

Australian Story challenge. It

went to David Born for his

short film, telling the story

of a surprising career change

for a Canberra public servant.

It's called A Little Bit Of

Magic. It's a Sunday afternoon

here at home. There are

obviously shocking events

unfolding in Tasmania at the

time I could hear on the radio.

People were being shot. It was

the Prime Minister's Office on

the phone and they said I

needed to do a paper for the PM

to have on his desk first thing

in the morning. The PM wanted

to know what could can done

about gun control in

Australia. Within the Department of Prime Minister

and Cabinet he was the expert

around gun control, domestic

security issues. He was the

person looked to for advice on

those issues. I had a few ideas

that I developed over the years

in bouncing them off people in

the Attorney-General's

portfolio, so I was pretty

prepared. He tried to push past

governments to go further with

gun control and found for

various reasons it was a

difficult equation. He himself

was very purposeful and

determined in trying to see gun

control pursued as a Government

object. The PM seized the

moment, of that there is no

doubt to do something about the

firearms laws in Australia.

Less than 24 hours after Port

Arthur occurred, cliff and I

met with the PM and began a

whirlwind two weeks of

delivering Australia the most

comprehensive and

community-saving firearms laws

that just about any country in

the world has. The fact that we

took out of the community

850,000 rifles and other sorts

of long arms has made a

significant difference. Quite clearly within a very short clearly within a very short

period of time he was a trusted

adviser to the PM. Trusted,

respected and acknowledged

ultimately. He was awarded a

public service medal, not to

mention a very nice

commendation from the PM for

his contribution on the

issue. Well, it was an exhilarating career, but at the

same time hi this parallel life

where I have been heavily

involved in the community. That

was where my heart lay, where I

got anyhow greatest sense of

personal satisfaction. At first

I was puzzled. He was giving up

a successful and potentially

more successful career, but

beyond question it mattered to

him personally, it was a

considered and determined

decision and I respected him

immensely for that. I

retrained as a teacher. I'm not

awe relief primary school

teacher. I started a project that

that Camp Quality was happy to

lend its name to, Project

Boxseat. I would put home

entertainment systems in the

homes of kids with

illnesses. He's a communication

tool. He brings communication

back into the kids' lives. They

have a theatre experience to

discuss with their peers and

family and when they get to the stage of

stage of having problems with

communicating because of a lack of belief in their recovery or

the treatment getting the

better of them, arrives on the

doorstep Cliff and he re

invigorates their life and day.

Riley has leukaemia. It

keeps him in a cheerful, happy

mood which is good for his

illness. If he's feeling happy

he doesn't really think about

being sick. I raise all the

funds myself through regular

proportion of my volunteer book fares. It takes a fair

life. I love it. It's great. He

Canberra Hospital went for four days at the

Canberra Hospital and that was

the culmination of five weeks

solid work. Over the last four

nights he had probably six or eight hours sleep. It was

sorting and sorting book. He believes absolutely in what

he's doing. He thinks that

somebody has a duty to help

these kids who are suffering

and his role in life is to do

it. I don't really have any

regrets. I'm obviously on a

much-reduced salary compared to

what I used to be and that is a

bit difficult at times, but I

think in life you are given

lots of talents and I went with

some talents for a while, but

in the end it wasn't giving the

sense of personal fulfilment I

can get in doing what I do now.

While it's a million miles away

from serving prime ministers

that, it's an and the buzz that comes from

that, it's an even bigger buzz,

I think, in introducing a bit

of magic into the lives of

families that are a bit short

on magic.

Good on him. And to finish

this week, guitar's Bruce

the Tuggeranong arts centre. We Matiske will be performing at

use his music a lot at

Stateline, but this time we had

the man himself at Canberra's

Kurrajong Hotel. See you next



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