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It was a page in Australian

political history that we will

never be forgotten and it

should never ever be, it was a

black mark on democracy within

Australia. Now you're still

mates even though you're

completely opposite. Best of

mates. Completely opposite

politically. Yes. So you were

having a wake and you were

popping the champagne and

celebration? I had a smile on

my face, put it that way. I am

certain that when he appears

you will give him the reception

he deserves. I think there's

still a lot more to come out

really than has been

revealed. You expect more skull

doggery? Noo yeah I do.

I feel there was a lot of

underhandedness going on at the

time. You hear snip ets of that

in the media but I don't know a

lot about the details that went

on. I still think it is a bit

of a mystery after all this

time. There's something in the

Senate, didn't they. Wrong

thing to do but still. What do

you think, 30 years on? Wish

the same thing had happened to

Howard. I wouldn't have a clue

what you're talking

about. Gough Whitlam was

sacked? Still don't

know. It's not happening. Not

happening. Well may we say God

save the Queen.because nothing

will save the

Governor-General. What about

me? Well you thought I'd never

ask. I was 18, I'd just joined

the ABC and like many others I

just rushed down here to be

part of history. There were

huge crowds and at night time

the thing I remember most was

up there on one of those

balconies behind me a man who

would become a Liberal minister

was giving the crowd the finger

and they were yelling, "Jump,

jump, jump." Somehow that

personified the passions that

overtook the crowd this

extraordinary day 30 years ago.

Some of your and my memories

of 30 years ago on this

Remembrance Day. Welcome to

Stateline I'm Philip Williams

and it is great to be back.

Still to come on the program

good new force Mount Stromlo

some Capital coaching and a

poignant tale of adoption. Mirs

you might remember Robert

Macklin appeared on this

program every now and then but

hasn't done so for a while.

He's been busy writing another

book. This one has a connection

with November 11, in as much

that Ned Kelly was hanged on

this date and the book is about

bushrangers. The book is called

"Fire in the Blood" and tells

the tale of Frank Gardiner and

his associate, Ben Hall and

Johnny Gilbert. Tom

Stewart-Moore joined Frank

Gardiner for a bushranging tour

of our region.

The way Frank Gardiner is the

bloke who gave us the whole of

the bushranging movement, the

golden era, like I call it from

the 1860s. He set the scene for

bushranging, he made the rules

and he was the bloke who

recruited the bushrangers we

know about - Ben Hall and

Johnny Gilbert and he really

turned the whole colony upside

down in a whole period there of

about 10 years.

Australia at the time was

totally divided. It was a

community of haves on the one

side and the have nots on the

other and Frank Gardiner was

the champion of the have nots.

He was born Frank Christie in

the Golburn area in the early

days there was an old bloke

named Gardiner, a former

convict who was a fantastic

horseman and he taught Frank

all he knew about horses as a

young kid and Frank himself

became one of the great

horsemen of our country. He

gave the name of Gardiner after

he was captured after his first

job of pinching horses. If you

really wanted to make a buck

and you were not of the land of

gefrry you didn't have that

many options. When you got

angry about the situation and

when there was no natural

justice, no Court of Appeal it

was perhaps understandable that

these fellas were billed and

yeah, sure, Frank rebelled and

he once again got caught in


So after he sold some horses

to the Yas yards he came back

here to the hotel for a bit of

a celebration with his mate.

The Chief Constable Mc-Janet

was right on his trail and he

came into the bar but Frank

wasn't there. He and Prior had

gone upstair with a couple of

something? Something like that girls. To play cards or

I suppose.

So Robert we're at Golburn

court house after they brought

Frank Gardiner when he was

captured at Yas? Yes this is

the first place where he metal

bert Stephen who regarded

himself of the scourge

bushrangers. It was here he

sentenced Frank to 14 years on

cock too island and later he

tried to hang he went to

cap cockto Island and he and

Peasley made a pact that when

they got out they would in

effect begin a revolution. They

gathered together in the

Abercrombie Rangers and began

the traditional high women's

role of bailing up travellers

and then recruiting again.

Frank had this wonderful

romantic idea that he would be

a band it chief and his first

recruit after Peasley was that

wonderful Will la thes which en

of the road Johnny Gilbert.

Gold was then discovered in New

South Wales most particularly

in the flat which is now called

Young and this was the area

that Frank knew so well and he,

at that time, didn't go digging

for gold, what he did was look

after the miners needs for

meat. One of the blokes he met

at the time when he was

gathering cattle was a young

grazier named Ben Hall. And Ben

and Johnny Gilbert became his

two right hand and left hand

men and then an odd thing

happened - Frank fell in love.

He fell in love with the

beautiful Kitty Brown who was

the sister of Ben Hall's wife

Bridget. Their love is one of

the great tragic love stories

of our colonal times. Frank,

after this period, felt that he

would end his days on the road

being shot down so he planned

the biggest robbery that we

have ever known in Australia.

He captured 2,700 ounces of

gold and over ?4,000 in bank

notes and it was an enormous

amount of money. Because

Frank's idea was that this

would give him the way out that

he and Kitty would then be able

to clear out and find a life

together. And they lived in

Queensland very respectable characters for 18 months before

they were captured. Frank was

sentenced to 32 years in jail

and this broke Kitty's heart.

She went to New Zealand a few

years later and there she

actual ly committed suicide in

absolute despair. The sad thing

is, really, that Frank was not

that much longer in jail. His

sisters who had married very

respectably organised a

petition and Frank was released

in 1874 and became the first

Australian and as far as I

know, the only Australian, to

be exiled from his home land

and that's where he lived in

San Francisco, in Colorado for

the rest of his life.I really

love this place. It's a real

piece of Australian history.

Johnny Gilbert's grave. He was

such a special fella. He was

Frank Gardiner's Lieutenant. He

was a real willa thes which en

of the road. When Johnny died

it was 1865 Ben Hall had been

shot down a few weeks

previously, now it was Johnny's

turn down here. They gunned him

down and brought him up here

and buried him a few days

later. Johnny Gilbert was shot

down, Ben Hall was shot down.

Stanmore gan were shot down,

the Clarke brothers were

hanged. Frank was the only he

was the great survey

report. From one survivor to

another the Mount Stromlo

observatory as Marcus Einfeld -

to is the destruction of the

Mount Stromlo observatory was

the dark day for the science of

astronomy. It is good news it's

been rebuilt and it's better

than ever. Designed and built

at trom strom it is - Stromlo

it is attached to a telescope

in Hawaii. Peter McGregor

joined his Stromlo team via

hook up as they wax lyrical

about its capacity to unlock

the secrets of the universe.

Lexi Metherell produced the


I think one thing that gishs

human s or at least as far as

we know distinguishes humans

from other forms of life is our

extreme curiosity and our need,

almost, almost a physical need

to understand things around us.

With this instrument we are

now about to get spectral

information and somebody once

said that the saying goes that

a picture tells a thousand

words a spectrum tells a

thousand pictures is the add on

to that one. Astronomer s use

Spectra to analyse the physics

of what's happening in the

universe and when you can just

take a picture you can look at

something and you can see a

blob of gas or whatever in one

place, it takes a spectrum to

understand how it's moving and

how it's excited and what it is

and how it's chemistry

is. Astronomers are looking to

protect the most distant and

faint thing in the universe. In

order to do that you need to

have splendid equipment so

we're pushing the limit. J It was always going to be pushing

the limit of what the telescope

was able to achieve. So with

the through put that seems

higher than we had dared

hopeful it will make things

easier to detect. So we are now

sort of seriously looking at

extra galactic projects whereas

before it was a bit

questionable whether that was

possible. I think if you think

about young children usually

their interest in science

starts with either astronomy or

dinosaurs and regardless of

whether they go on to be as

tron mes, most don't, but that

curiosity is fueled, I think,

by looking up at the sky and

wondering not only what's

there, but how it's different

from where we are now. So with

this young star that has a disc

around it, it's like the disc

that the earth or the other

solar planets would have formed

in. We're seeing this object as

the sun would have been when

the earth was forming and so,

what we are able to do is look

at how all the gases moving

around this object and how potentially planets might be

forming in this object and so

get an idea about how our solar

system and other solar systems

are formed. Beyond the suburbs

the destruction went on. The

Mount Stromlo observatory was

flattened, telescopes ruined

and prized researchers left

without the tools of trade. The

point about the fire was it was

a setback but everybody turned

around and said what do we have

to do to build it back again.

There was never any doubt that

this instrument was going to be

a useful instrument to have on

the telescope and the fact it

was burnt was extremely

unfortunate. But we just worked

towards keeping it going

forward. Because so many people

here worked on NIFSes for so

many years to not only see it

rebuilt and perform more than

we ever imagined was a

fantastic boost for everyone.

The telescope is on the best

observing sight in the world.

It's a dreadful place to be but

the telescope works superbly

well. We're talking about

telescopes that are at 14,000

feet which I'm told is about

the altitude of the Mount

Everest base camp. It is

difficult, you have to go up

the day before to 9,000 feet

where the accommodation is to

spend time aclie matising to

the altitude. You then on a

routine, on the observing

routine you get up about 3

o'clock in the afternoon. You

then have your dinner and by

about 5 o'clock are getting in

a four wheel drive struck thing

that goes up a very rough dirt

road to the summit and at the

summit you walk around very

carefully because if you go

climbing stairs or whatever

you're rapidly out of breath.

You have to drink lots of water

because if you don't you

dehydrate and get a splitting

headache for the rest of the

night. You take it easy, you

have to get used to it. You get

there about 5:30, ob observing

starts atpm when it gets dark.

We work through to 6am. You get

used to it after about three or

four days you get used to it.

But it is about as an extreme

environment as people could

routinely operate in. I think

that astronomy allows us to put

our own, first our own lives

and our own world and our own

solar system in a greater

context to give it more


Well talking of things Stella

Canberra's most famous basketball export Lauren

Jackson is always grabbing the

headlines whether it is her

Olympic success or injury the

world wants to know about it.

Alesser known basketball export has forged her own

international name. Carrie Graf

has returned to coach the Canberra capital this season

fresh from her work in one of

the toughest leagues in the

world. Amy Bainbridge has this

story. Ready. Go, come on. Most

mornings we have something

going on at 6 o'clock, an

individual workout with one of

the players, our weight

sessions on Wednesday the team

session anywhere between 6 and

8. I'm in the office until

8:30, Monday, Tuesdays,

Thursday and weekends we oar on

the road and home on Friday or

Saturday. Her long list of

basketball achievement s makes

for an impressive res play.

This year she's home to coach

the Canberra Capitals. We've

got an opportunity that not

many other people will get

that's to forge ahead and become more professional than

we are now. I'd like to see

that happen and be someone who

could leave a legacy for

women's basketball in Canberra.

That's part of it to work with

Lauren Jackson again is part of

it. There's only one pace for

Grafster she just goes which is's just great, like I

said, it brings passion. She

leads people, she's a great

communicator and I think that

yeah, she does, she's always

sort of going very fast, but

that's her, that's just what

she does.aside from everything

else we're friends. We have a

good friendship there. Ooif

grown up playing under her and

being able to develop a

friendship in that time. I

guess first and foremost

there's a friendship there and

secondly, as a coach I can

learn from her. She's loyal to

her country like she is to her

friends if you rang Loz up at 2

o'clock in the middle of the

night and say can you drive two

hours I need to talk to you,

she would.

The pair suffered the

devastating news that Jackson

will be out for four

months. Then when I found out

she was the first person that I

called. She came straight over

and looked at the X-rays

herself and was just there, she

was there for me that night. Stayed, talked through stuff as

a friend and then on the Monday, when I got the

prognosis from the doctor, um,

she was there and very

supportive. Yeah and then the

next day we sorted out the

technical stuff but I've got a

lot of time for her. I think in

those moments coaching goes out

to the window. Your first

thought is she going to be

okay. What will she do now?

Then you click into, all right,

this is coaching let's get the

plan, let's do this, whatever.

At that point you just give her

a hug and it's going to be okay

and then you go through the

process. After working as an

assistant to Australian women's

head coach Tom Maher there is

no doubt where Graf's ambitions

lie. I would love to win a gold

medal as the head coach of the

Australian women's basketball

team. That's been a goal of

mine for a long time. Probably

since I started

coaching. Position, go back to

where you were. It crosses

those boundaries of passion and

job. There is not a lot of

people fortunate enough to be

so passionate about their job

that it does consume so much of

their life and we're lucky we

do it with people we care

about. It will be interesting

what we do for Australia in the

Olympics she is a teacher. She

can teach players, she is

passionate and will drive a

team to win a gold medal. I've

seen that I wish everybody else would see that.

Now the second film from the

shortlist of the finalist in

the art of documentary

competition. It is run by the

ANU and the finalists will be

shown at the national museum

this month. The maker of the

film we like the best will

offered a short internship on

Stateline. We like this very

personal and emotional story.

It's called "Two Mothers" and

it's by Brooke Goldfinch.

This story starts long, long

ago when a young couple met and

decided to be married. Here are

my parents just before their

wedding in Scotland in 1970.

Both baby boomers my parents

had just one thing in common -

they were what you would call

squares. They drifted through

the 20th century unaware of the

great social changes going on

around them, rock music,

women's rights, the

anti-establishment movement,

even modernism seemed to pass

them by as did good fortune or

so it would seem. My mother

trained as a mother craft nurse

in 1962 she loved children with

an intensity that that set her

apart from other women. When my

father asked her to Mary him

she warned him she had no less

than seven babies. Shortly

after they were married my

mother discovered she was

baron, my mother's dream of

having a big family swiftly

collapsed. My father says that

babies were scarce at this time

because GoughWhitlam had just

introduced the single mother

pension. They managed to adopt

my brother and sister but not

allowed a third time. When my

brother as with baby they net a

woman who to the this day they

know very little about. She had

five children. She asked my mum

and dad if she could give them

a child after they saved her

drowning at the beach. This

woman, this character is in

fact my birth mother, my

surrogate mother, for nine

months she carried me and then

handed me over to them, a

miraculous gift of life. This

is how the story was told to

me, any way. Just like, like a

miracle. I spent my childhood

wondering what my real mother was really like and what it

would be like to live with her.

I spent a lot of time wondering

who or what I was did I descend

from Jewish, Jewish or Russian,

was I susceptible to strange

hereditary diseases. Did Gill

have big eye brows too. I

assume that my mother didn't

care. One day my dad pull med

aside and said that I shouldn't

ask those questions any more.

He said they hurt my mother's

feelings and that my mother

didn't want to be reminded that

I wasn't hers. But this denial

left so many questions

unanswered. I often think back

to the time when my mother was

cruelly duped by fate. She's a

deeply religious woman and it

must have been a great test of

faith to have something that

you so desperately want,

something that seems so

naturally yours taken away from

you. I think about how she made

her own fortune in a time when

surrogacy was illegal and

socially unacceptable, she

chose her own fate. This change

adventure brought true souls

together for belter or for

worse, one soul that would have

been lost in the world without

a mother and the other that

would have been lost without

another child. I always hoped I

was the soul that she was

looking for.

Lovely film. "Two Mothers" by

Brooke Goldfinch. We'll have

more films to show you in the

coming weeks. That's the

program for another week. More

garden s are open this weekend.

The addresses will be on the

screen. Have a great break and

I'll see you at the same time

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