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Hello and welcome to

Stateline. I'm Philip Williams

nd I'll be your host while

Kathleen Hyland is away on

maternity leave. I'm really looking forward to spending

time with you over the next few

months. Later in the program

we'll be sharing the sweet

sounds of the Soweto gospel

choir. First Telstra - the sale

is on although delayed until

the share price is improved.

Despite the deal with the Nationals regional Australians

still have concerns about the

future and quality of their

services. The Liberal's Gary

Nairn thinks the decision to

sell is the right one so much

so that no matter what his

electorate might be thinking he

won't be crossing the the

floor. The ALP's Kate Lundy

says the sale is wrong and

hands. Telstra should stay in public

Consumers close to Canberra as

Wamboin just want anybody to

shine a little light on

Telstra's black holes.

Lexie Wise loves her farm,

family and her horses. Make a

phone call, yes, you might be

just as good as me, no phone

reception. The charm of country

life evaporates with the

mention of the world Telstra.

It's a mobile phone It's a mobile phone too far

just 15 kilometres by Crow from

the national capital.

If you're going to riding

which there's an element of dangerouser in that what do you

do? I have to ring my husband

before I leave so he knows how

long I'm heading out. I tell

him how long I'll be. If I

don't ring when I come back he

knows to send out a search

parliamentary. You can't rely

on your mobile? No, I

can't. Lexie Wise lives on the

Wamboin estate has lousy mobile

service why will she be any

better off with a privatised

Telstra? Mobile services are

substance theyly better today

than they were 9.5 years ago

throughout my lek trat. Given

the geography there is gaps and

we're filling those gaps very

quickly. The gap in Wamboin

will be filled very soon both

from a mobile phone point of

view and a broadband and we

already have competitive

broadband happening in that

region as well. Those sort of

things just wouldn't happen

under a totally



situation. That is in a sense

sounds like a argument for

keeping it. You are saying

there is success now under the

current arrangements. But there

can be even more success. Gary

Nairn can say all he likes

about patching up the holes but

he has relied on having Telstra

coming before Parliament so we

can hold them accountable. I

say get out and talk to your

constituency and stay in touch

with them. We know and I know

and Gary Nairn knows he'll keep

getting those calls of

complaints, Telstra will keep

making promises and promised

the world as the Coalition

Government has for nine long

years that they won't actually

deliver an outcome that fixes

everybody's problems to run a

small business from home or

educate themselveses from the

bush at a university in a

regional area. Those things

won't happen.

For the moment, though, for

Lexie Wise, the steps to better

communications take on a rather

more literal meaning. This is

how she and Telstra establish a

connection her home but only on

a good day. Have you to God

anything? One bar which

usually isn't enough. Now it's

just going up. I could possibly

make a phone call now. With

your hand up like this? Yes

and hopefully not falling off

the ladder. The absurdity of

this mobile callisthenics is

compounded in a cold Canberra

winter. I've had to come out

here in the rain and the wind.

I've had my house phone out of

order which is why I come out

here and do this. Telstra say

can I have a mobile number to

contact you on and I say I

can't stand out here all day

waiting for them to ring. Good

for your muscles. I would

rather do something else than

stand here to get good phone reception.

One of the reasons that the

telecommunications and Telstra

are failing now is because

they've been completely

compromised working hand in

hand with the Coalition

Government to keep their share

price high. That means they

haven't been making the capital

investments. That means they

haven't been providing the

maintenance people in regional

areas to fix the phone lines

Wick quickly enough. That's

rubbish. She probably hasn't

been outside Canberra very

often. I drive 60,000

kilometres a year and I've been

driving those 60,000 kilometres

a year every year around my

electorate and nobody knows

better than I what's happened

with respect to

telecommunications around my

electorate and it has imfrom

proved out of sight.

Lexie Wise does a bit of

driving too. It's the only way

she can find a reliable

connection from one of the

hills near other Herr Wamboin

home. Me, just letting you know

I'm on the way. Local member

Gary Nairn says services in the

bush have improved enormously

in his electorate and will be

even better once Telstra has

been sold what do you think? If

that was the case I would love

to believe it. I don't know

services have improved that

much as far as your mobile

coverage is concerned. If

Telstra were taken over and

things improved fantastic, but

who's to say that is going to

happen. The mobile telephone

you are calling is switched off

or not in a mobile service

area, please try again later.

The people who risk their

lives to save their Jewish neighbours from the Holocaust

are being celebrated at an

exhibition at the national ar

chooifs. Children from the

primary school went along to

heard first hand from the

survivors. The exhibition is

called the courage to care and

courage is precisely the lesson

that the children are

learning. I look like your mors

and aunts and everyone else, I

don't think I look too

different. I don't have horns.

Jewish people don't. We look

pretty much like everybody

else. Nazis wanted to

exterminate us. Which address

the ideas of prejudice,

injustice, intoll earn answer,

discrimination, the bottom line

is bullying. And in other words

to do that we use the most

extreme form of bullying that's

in history, the Holocaust. We

give the children examples of

people who stood up to be

counted. People who disagreed

with what was going on, who

morally could not justify what

was happening and against all

odds, at the risk of being

killed themselves, did

unbelievably courageous acts. I

can't stand the ingest justice,

if something is done wrongly to

you or to your friends what are

you going to do sit still and

do nothing? No, try and help

them. That is what we did.

Later on you became more and

more involved. He is a perfect

example, a living example who

saved over 1,000 lives and he

was in an official capacity was

able to rig things in a way

with his wife to literally wipe

people's names off records so

that they managed to survive.

He had a family, he had

children and even that risk he

continued to do what he thought

was right. Were you like scared

or did you feel good for what

you were doing? Not at the

time, afterwards. Not before.

You couldn't. If you were

scared you were in trouble

yourself. It was what we did.

My wife and I was not planned.

Something happened, done by the

Germans so we had to do it

straight away, help these

people straight away or forget

about it. That's how

about it. That's how it was

done. Afterwards you came to

the conclusion that if

something had gone wrong we

would be in a bad spot,

yes. They were just so brave.

If they hadn't done that many

people wouldn't be alive

today. Before today I could

never imagine putting your life

in danger for someone else, but

now I can. They are yet to hear

the story of a survivor. It's

from the point of view I'm

alive today because this

happened and that happened and

there were instances of courage

to care and people who helped

them and therefore they're

alive today. On a 5th November

1945, someone came flocking on

our door and my mother was

warned by the chief of police's

wife that our name was on the

list of the Gestapo. She had to

like try and stay away of what

was happening and stuff like.

If that happened to me I would

be like really scared. I don't

think I would be able to like

go on with my life as normal.

It would be really, really hard

to get over something like

that. There are just so many

people who would have died it

would have been horrendous. It

is scary, thinking what if that

happened to me? I couldn't

handle it. It's really

frightening. Who can tell me

what courage means? Being

brave. Yes, being brave. The

ideas that they hear gives them

a new way of look at things I

hope. They go away with ideas

and mo toes for life and

hopefully from my point of view

the reward is that maybe one

day in the future they'll

remember that school excursion

that they went on and they'll

be in a situation and they'll

think - oh I won't put up with

that, I'll do something. Just

because you're different to

other people it doesn't mean

that you should be treated

differently. Somebody like

Hitler could be so inhumane to

take people from their homes

and families and just take

their lives from them. The war

can actually bring out the best

of us sometimes, like how

people helped. Yeah and also

the death toll was just amazing, I never knew that

could actually happen.

Emma Renwick produced that

story. Now there are only about

a dozen violin makers in the

whole of Australia one is based

a t Gorman house. He used to

work at the place in London

where a cello sold for z9

million. His truments seem like

a snip.

I really wanted after I

finished Uni and I was working

for a few years I wanted to do

something with my hands. I

wanted to have a product at the

end of the day and I wanted to

have something to do with music

and then one day I was - it

sounds a bit corny but I was

walking through a forest and I

thought to myself I could do

something with wood,

instruments, - yeah an

instrument maker. I went

overseas and studied in a

violin making school. The one I

chose was based near to

Nottingham in the UK it's a

town called Newark where

there's an international violin

school. They started from the

proviso you didn't even know

which the sharp end of the a

chisel was and guided you

through everything from care of

tools to the techniques of

making instruments and you

started to steep you like a tea

bag into the tradition of

instrument making. You start

off by making a web structure

which is the side s. So you

stick the sides on to precut

blocks of wood. Then you use

that rib structure to create

the outline of the front and

the back. You then finish

carving the outside surface,

turn it over over, hollow the

inside surface, then you then

work in various technique s to

make sure sthoour the

instrument is flexing and

sounding how it should, the

right character -

characteristics. You then glue

the box of the instrument

together and carve the scrol

and then after you've finished

the finger boards you fit that

neck into the body of the

strumentd. At that stage it's

pretty much ready for

preparation for varnishing and

then you fit the pegs, cut the

bridge and string it up and

then wait for the moment of

truth. You can hear what it

sounds like.

This is my first trument that

I almost finished. I didn't get

quite to the stage of putting

on strings. It's a bit of a

school instrument and it shows

a lot of the characteristics of

the violin school where I

learnt. One of them being that

for some strange reason they

encouraged us to stain the

first instrument with tea and

while getting the wood to a

nice colour locked in the

flame, it means that the flame

doesn't move, how wood in a properly varnished instrument properly varnished instrument

the wood work is a bit rough

and ready but it's there. It is

obviously recognisable as a

violin, without strings. I got

a chance to work for just under

two years in London and I

worked in a shop called fine

violin s where they dealt in

the very high end of

instruments where the cheapest

thing in the shop was 15,000

pounds and then it went up to 9

million pounds for a cello.

Before I started violin making

I never owned my own cello, so

being able to make my own cello

was a big driving, motivating

force. The player has a lot to

do with the sound coming out of

the instrument. But liking a

high performance race car,

you're always looking to get

that little extra bit and it

makes tall difference whether

the tyres are pumped up,

whether the bridge is cut

right, whether the strings are

coming across the finger board

at the right height and

formation. What I really like

about violin making is I think

something common to many wood

workers. I love making

shavings, I Lyme like the feel

of the tools moving through the

wood. I mainly work with hand

tools so it's a very connected

process where I'm carving

things out of wood.

Now you might have been

intrigued by the pictures of

the grass Toyota, the winning

art work in a major

competition. The national

Aboriginal and Torres Strait

islander art award has become

the Premier event on the

indigenous art calendar. Last

weekend hundreds gathered in

Darwin for the official opening

of the 22nd awards. It put the

territory on the map nationally

and this year in particular,

with three of the overall

winners act chully coming from

the territory it's saying a

great deal about the importance

of practising artists to the

territory and the excellence of

art here in the territory. This

year a group of 18 women from

the Tjanpi weavers project took

out the top award worth

$40,000. It tease first time a

collaborative effort has

received the country's most

prestigious indigenous art

award. TRANSLATION: We got

some needles and scissors, big

needles and sis source and we

wrapped the string around and

around and around and we had to

get more string al and needles

and keep wraching that around

and keep doing to window and

the shape of it.

The women's work called the

Tjanpi grass Toyota took three

weeks to create. We started

making people out of grass with

arms and legs and things and

then we started to do the

Toyota and we thought we could

do this, and we did it. There

was no stopping at all. We just

kept going no getting tired or anything. We just kept anything. We just kept going.

Every day we were making this

Toyota, Friday, Saturday,

Sunday, Monday and Friday, we

didn't knock off we kept going.

One of the two judges at this

year's award was artist Destiny

Deacon from Victoria. I looked

at art that got me from the

heart. Whether you say wow or

it makes you feel something. I didn't care about people's

names or where they were from

or what sex they were. Destiny Deacon says the grass Toyota

won her heart. It's got the wow

factor and it says something

about where those women were at

and how important it is and

also to make something that is

sort of modern out of

traditional grass. It has a

stoshy as well with the

weavering and it's got

everything happening with it.

The winning piece, is sort of

quirky and humour use but it's

serious as well. It's the kind

of work that you can stand in

front of and have an interesting conversation about

the work, about the reasons it

was made and what it


The art award is to recognise

and promote appreciation and

understanding of the quality

and diversity of indigenous

art.the works come from artists

working in remote regions and

urban centres in traditional

and contemporary mediums. It's

a really important award the

award and lots of people send

their best or what they've done

in the last year . It's a lot

to look at or what to study.

I's important because it means

a lot to people from different

regions, Australia is a big

country. It's the first time

all categories of general

painting, three dimentional,

barks and works on paper have

been won by women. Each year

there are certainly strengths

in paper, bark, painting and of

course 3 D and this year our

judges were particularly taken

by not just the actual

execution of that particular

work but also what it meant to

the community and what it's

convague and it's humour. Two

years in a row we've had the

3-D work that's been the

overall winner but who is to

know what next year's judges

will think is more important.

Judges in this year's award

are keen to see how their

decision will be regarded. I

don't think it will be a

controversial decision. It

might be from grand kind of

classists of indigenous art. It

is nice to see people walking

towards it, looking at it and

smiling . The women would be

Sadly, the grass Toyota will

not be travelling south. You

will have to go to Darwin if

you want to see it. Like many you want to see it. Like many

others I went along to

Llewellyn Hall on Tuesday night

for the Soweto gospel choir. It

recently performed to a packed

St Paul's Cathedral in London

and to packed performances in

the Johannesburg. This week

they worked their magic at

Dickson college with some of Canberra's African teenagers.

Canberra's African teenagers.

plauz plauz

At this time I would like us

to try and do a song together,

does anybody know the song "Oh

happy day". I've heard about

it. You will get to sing it

right now.everybody side to

side come on.

It looks good, it looks good.



* Oh happy days.* Oh happy

days.* Oh happy days. * Oh

happy days.

We like sharing ideas. We like

to know what they're thinking

about us, so I think it's a

wonderful experience.

We are going to do something

which is part of our national


I think it brings them closer

to where they come from because

we're seeing a lot of African

moves and music, so I think we

moved them.

Fantastic. Mark Moore shot

that story. That's it already.

My first program. Look forward

to your company again next

week. We know it hasn't snowed

this week but the Stateline

camera crew took such beautiful

pictures when it did we thought

you'd like to see more of them.

So rug up and until next week,

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