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Interview with Immigration Minister, Chris Bo -

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lit up the sky. Those are the

headlines this morning.

Welcome back to the program, Chris

Bowen. Good morning, Minister.

Well, the stalemate over the

Malaysia solution - there's no end

in sight, is there? Well, look, the

Malaysia agreement is a huge step

forward, as John Menadue said

during the week. We have

legislation before the parliament.

The Opposition appears hell bent on

blocking that. We have tried to

negotiate with them in good faith

to see that legislation passed. We

will continue to prosecute the case.

The other point is, of course, Paul,

we don't - we are not the only ones

with legislation before the

parliament. Mr Oakeshott has moved

a private members' bill to allow

offshore processing. That shows the

sort of good faith that people can

bring to the table. Mr Oakeshott is

an Independent member saying that

both sides support offshore

processing. We will be supporting

Mr Oakeshott's bill, for example,

as a significant step forward. The

Australian people want this sorted

out. They say both sides of

politics support offshore

processing and should be able to

vote for it. The bill in one sense

is stating the obvious. But can I

put it to you that the Malaysian

solution is a dead duck. Even if

Labor wins the next election, it

won't control the Senate, the

Greens will have the balance of

power and you will be blocked there

as well. So don't you have to start

all over again, rethink this? Well,

Paul, what we have got here is an

agreement with Malaysia where

Malaysia says, "We will work with

Australia to implement a deterrent

to offshore - to boat arrivals in

Australia." There is three differences between Malaysia

agreement and turning back the

boats. A, Malaysia has agreed...

But UN can HCR has said it is

workable and turning back the boats

is not. C, Malaysia can be

implemented without endangering the

lives of the service personnel. We

will argue for the types of

arrangements that we have

implemented and will continue to

point out that we need a long-term

regional solution which removes the

incentive to come to Australia by

boat, and involves Australia

resettling more refugees from

around the world, just as the

Malaysia agreement did. Now, we

will put that case. If the Liberal

party is saying this they won't

respect the mandate of the

Government, if we are re-elected

and continue to block it in the

Senate, that is a matter that they

will need to justify to the

Australian people. Of course in the

meantime, it is the onshore

processing that is the go. Early in

the year, Tony Abbott was quoted in

the Australian as saying that core

policy forebroader protection is

turning back the boats. This

morning, the Shadow Minister Scott Morrison brushed aside the Indonesian ambassador's concerns

about that. We have had a strong

relationship with Indonesian over

the period of time we have

implemented that policy. I have the

same confidence about our ability

to achieve this again. Well, the

argument is pretty straightforward.

They did it before so I that can do it it again?

Well, what we have got here is an

Opposition in denial. I mean, the

Indonesian ambassador's powerful

intervention is the latest in a

long line of indications from

Jakarta that they do not support

the policy of turning back the

boats and they will not cooperate

with it. The Prime Minister of

Indonesia has said it himself. The

Opposition just shrugs their

shoulders and says, "It will be

alright on the night, we will sort

it out." They are in denial about

the fact that Indonesia will not

cooperate with this policy. Mr

Abbott says he wants a foreign and

migration policy with more of a

focus on Jakarta than Geneva.

Jakarta has said, "No, we are not

going to cooperate with this

policy." Are you saying that when

Tony Abbott says, "We will turn

back all the boats when it is safe

to do so", he is using political

weezle words? We have seen Mr

Abbott all over the shop on this.

He said that he would have a boat

phone, at Kirribilli, giving the

orders. Now we are told it is an

operational decision for people on

the grounds. He beats his chest

saying, "We will turn around every

boat, a major orstep forward." The

deputy leader of the Opposition

says to the Indonesian ambassador

says, "You don't need to believe

that, we will talk to you about

which ones we turn around and which

one we don't." They are in denial

about the unworkability of this

policy. They are in denial when the

navy and brorder protection says

Australians will risk their lives,

when it says it will breach of

interventional conventions, and

when they say, "We are not going to

cooperate in this regional policy."