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(generated from captions) let me see. Well done. Yumi. I was

a big fan of the electricity. Yumi

mentioned if you are at a live rock

concert, seeing that. That's

something we have been speaking

about, the death of live music, and

whether it's going on. To talk

about this we have Peter Garrett

and Rosie Beaton. Peter, I might

start with you, you were rocking

out with Midnight Oil a couple of

decades ago - I was going to say a

couple of years ago - a while ago.

You used to pack out venues, it was

the thing to do as a young person,

see a live band. Is that happening

any more? Not as much as I think it

should. One of the reasons why I

got behind the Annandale Buy a

Brick campaign, this is a great

venue where a lot of people started

their career. It's where you could

see someone on the way up and

follow them. We have a lot of pubs

where kids who couldn't get into

the city, see a band like ourselves

or INXS or whoever, early on, and

see them again and again. That was

a cultural connection that kids had

at that time with the bands. The

music industry flourished. There's

other ways that people could get

into music. I don't think there's

anything like a band on a stage in

your suburb doing their thing. Is

this a Sydney centric problem or is

it happening over the country.

Melbourne put a focus on trying to

maintain their live music scene.

They concentrated on making sure

there are places for people to play.

There are planning laws and they

are proud of people. We have great

bands in Sydney. We need somewhere

for them to play. Rosie Beaton, do

you think it's happening, and why -

is it the Internet, it's a cultural

change. I think the Internet is

good. A lot of kids are discovering

music online, and because the

Facebook page "We're playing here",

rocking up and looking at the band.

There's so much pressure on

promoters and venues, it is so

expensive to put on gigs.

Legislation is aig that live music

venues are -- saying that live

music venues are high risk, they

need two security guards. If it's a

band without radio airplay, 20 kids

turn up, it's not paying the bills.

It's a hard situation. So, Peter,

because we are talking about a

change in culture, and a lot of

things affected pubs and those

areas, patronage is down, there's

the drink driving laws and other

aspects changing things. An artist

who is coming up now can get more

hits, more visibility from their

bedroom by putting something on

Youtube or Facebook. Than they

could... Justin Bieber. He's a good

example, than they could get than

going to a pub. The bottom line is

you need to see people in some

place. You may check out someone on

Youtube. The key thing for me is

I'm part of the boomer generation,

we were supported by the audience

even when we weren't getting played

on radio or you weren't the flavour

of the month. You were supported by

the people that you established

personal contact with. We are

humans, social creatures, we grave

that. When an artist comes to

Australia, they don't sit in a

hotel room saying "I'm playing live

on Youtube", you see what they look

like. It's lovely to hear you say

that. When you say "We're human, we

grave social interaction. It

worries me we are not graving it

like we used to. People are sitting

at home in the computers, in the

dark. People need to get off the

couch and support live music. You

need to talk to your Government

mates and the Government needs to

help the venues that are struggling

and they can't pay the bills

because nobody is turning up to see

the gigs and change the legislation

so when international acts perform

in Australia they must have a local

Australian act support them. I

agree with you. We need more

attention given to State planning

authorities, around licensing and

planning laws. It's not appropriate

for someone to move into app area

where there's been a pub or club

going for 10-15 years and complain

about the noise. How often does it

happen. A lot. There's one other

thing. It sounds like a silly thing.

Midnight Oil would never have

become a global band if we didn't

have suburbs to play in week in,

week out. That's how you learn your

chops, how to figure out how to do

it. And to get a sense of how

people respond to you. I think for

us, it's an important thing, one

other thing to say quickly, with my

other hat on. National curriculum.

We have a National curriculum in

English, maths, science and history.

Kids have a common learning

entitlement. We want to bring in

Gee ago Rafi and languages and

music. -- geography and Lang wiges

and music. Music or art. Arts and

music. Drama, dance, music the lots.

I have presents for you too. I

don't know what it is. Wow. Rosie.

What's going on. I'm trying to say