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Hello. And welcome to Stateline. I'm Catherine Garrett. Coming up - no Olympic winner, not a one. And yet there will be enough other heroes and gold to heroes and gold to go round. First, at the First, at the start of the National Rugby League season the Canberra Raiders were written off as no-names with

little chance of take maybing the top 8, let alone premiership. Now a premiership. Now a month from the finals they're right in the mix but their startling on-field performances have been over-Shadowed by off-field disaster, culminating in the

sacking of troubled star Todd Carney. It's damaged the Raiders reputation community standing to where the respected club support. I spoke with Alan Tongue earlier today. COMMENTATOR: He COMMENTATOR: He takes him on and he is going to get forward., no he throws it back to Alan Tongue and Tongue to Alan Tongue and Tongue has scored a scored a wonderful try. Yeah, there's obviously been some distractions, there is no doubt about that. But some positives through it all. We've

some good footy, the boys have got focussed back on the job and trying to make the final series. Has the Todd Carney saga tainted the saga tainted the Raiders brand? I don't think helped the situation. Froebl most disappointing thing is Todd had worked so hard with his off-field behaviour his off-field behaviour and some of

as a club we're always here to

support him. The club has been very good through it all and tried to tried to give him every opportunity to help rebuild his life. Anything you want before you head in We're hoping that this that this decision was the best

for him and that he can move away now and get things back on track and come back a better person person and that will definitely

help him become a better footballer. You're considered a role model by everyone, a role model of a player. you judge the behaviour other players who have been the spotlight for all reason? Wing're stuck in a bit of a culture gap, I think, at there's still, you know Bondi is a problem in society - is a problem in society - binge drinking is a problem in society and it's no different

in the NRL. I think some players are not happy with being a role model, some just want to play football and that is it. But reality is that we

play rugby league at the highest level and that part and

being a role model. Do you

think there has to come a time when you say these have to playing a game they love, playing a game they love, step

up to the plate. I think so. With the edketion of the younger guy s, they've younger guy s, they've really worked hard with the national 20s competition this year and

it's something they've been constantly drumming into these young kids saying to be an NRL live up to this standard. So why is it still happening? Yeah, I am not too sure. I definitely think alcohol plays a big part and we talked about the binge drink ing issue in society and it's no different - it's in many sports. The fire. Is there that culture, thoeks of the heady excitement of the game, a win, a group of men and the pub - that cliche of that's what you do as of that's what you do as young men and does that need to change ? That's right. I suppose that's the cult you're brought up with. I'm from brought up with. I'm from a country area and that's what we do. We play footy on the weekends and then you go weekends and then you go and celebrate afterwards with

mates at the hotel. That is just the way rugby league has been pretty much since day dot. It is something that we have to realise that society is changing and the role of a rugby league player is change ing in society as well. Do you

think there is an attitude

problem in the club and is

enough being done about it? I don't think in is an attitude

problem at the club. I think the attitude we've tried help guys out, you know we've talked about Todd but any problems with young dlub or whatever, the club thrown their full support behind them, tried to behind them, tried to put the player first before

football. Now, come parents have told me they've been a bit reluctant to sign up for the season tickets, given the consistently poor behaviour of elite players off the field. What would you say to those parents? As we've been talking about - as rugby league players

we do, you know, have a start that we need to set. And I think across the board we have to put our hands up and say we

have let down the public. But in saying that we are working hard and I know near Canberra we've got a great bunch of blokes and we enjoy footy and the young kids we get out in the community more than any other club in any other club in the NRL. Tell us about that open letter to the 'Canberra Times', encouraging fans to stick with the club. What was all the club. What was all that about? I about? I suppose it's - there's no greater feeling than running out in front of your home crowd, the support we get down

here is great. We love playing

at moment and our results show that we do. We play our best footy when we're at home. I think modges the players think modges the players we're excited the brand of footy we're playing we're playing and I think the public are becoming more aware of that too. So was the letter

prompted by a feeling that fans aren't coming to the games much and perhaps there has been

the bad publicity around the club? I think there's club? I think there's been a few things that have weighed on the decision. Also the the decision. Also the weather - it was snowing before last weekend's game too, you have to take all that in consideration and there's been different talk about tick etting prices off-field behaviour. So there's a lot of things there. At the end of the end of the day we're industrying to get the message out that we blof love the

support of the Canberra time people and we're almost into the final series so please come out and support it out and support it us. There

are between 40 and 50,000

carers in the ACT. That's the bruise stadium - Bruce Stadium filled filled twice, so many people you'd think they would make up a powerful lobbying force, but their're ers say they can't get

their voices heard. Carers ACT has just polled their members to find out what pressing in the lead-up for the election. Perhaps their lives little leave little time for

campaigning. Yes, one. There you are. One up. Bend your elbow. My son was born in 2002. Seemed to be very normal pregnancy, healthy child. But within a few days he wasn't responding as you would responding as you would expect a child to. He didn't like

being held, to be fed. Wouldn't take contact from anybody. He would arch away from them. Didn't start meeting

milestones. He wouldn't roll

over, push himself up, didn't smile, and would scream an awful lot. By the time he was three, he had a diagnosis of autism. And also had developed epilepsy. So he got absent seizures, full tonic clonic seizures so that world of meditations as well as dealing with the muscle tone

and lack of speech. Fingers are so much more fun! It is a 24/7 job. There

is no real break. He's got to be fed, changed, toileted. He doesn't give you any indication

of what he wants or needs other than to squeal or scream. Sleep is an option al extra. He may go to sleep for two or three hours and then be awake for five or five or six during the night and be asleep for another two

and that might be a full sleep for a day. He is a happy for a day. He is a happy little boy, but it is constantly watching out for him. His movement means that he walk into walls and with a walk into walls and with a high pain flesh hold pain flesh hold you don't know if he's actually hurt if he's actually hurt himself

or not. So he's got to be constantly supervised. Nicola Pepper is one of the Pepper is one of the ACT's 43,000 carers. young mother is unnem young mother is unnem bitter and uncomplaining about the demands the role dictates but

she welcomes the opportunity to

complete a survey identifying issues of care and issues of care and concern to be presented to MLAs before the election. It's good to see that we've got the chance to put things forward. Having watched cynically over watched cynically over the years how does work, you hope that it's going to get through but not always sure 84% of respondents who said that they've been risk physically, mentally or emotion ally by their caring role - we have 63% who said

that their health had been affected directly by lifting, role, by the fact role, by the fact that they

don't have the time or money to even visit a doctor themselves because they are so busy providing care. Survey respondent s said their greatest needs were more support to help with the support to help with the costs, respite options and increased therapy services. Any carers come in At first glance there would appear there are lots would appear there are lots of serves and the Commonwealth has been pretty much the driver and the supports available, you will find that there's not lot of money behind there. And

often they're quite fragmented in how they're provided by a

range of different service providers. So it is difficult,

then, for family careers to access and know access and know what programs are available. You could be waiting days or weeks before your next one and you don't

know where to go with

something. You might get a quick phone call if they're

able to get to you, but it's so slow. The equipment that you need for your child - it's need for your child - it's a

constant hunt. Because, again, a lot of it still does come down to money. We just can't afford to be afford to be continually forking out for day-to-day expense s, let alone major equipment. There's not enough funding. We try and do as much ourselves but we can't always manage. We'd love to hear the

political parties going forward

into this ACT election to really give carers some formal recognition recognition by strengthening government policy government policy to provide better sustainable, better sustainable, integrated holistic support for family carers, not just at the crisis points in their caring lives but without tlout the whole caring life cycle. At transition points. We need to look at on the big scale look at on the big scale as well because that Government to plan for the future. We all know we have an ageing population here in the ACT. What we found out is like will people in the ACT will people in the ACT be giving up their to where their parents are? Will they be brig their parents into the ACT? So will we need more aged care homes? Will we need more need more supported

accommodation for people with disabilities as their parents. It's been a very hard road sometimes. I know that there have been times when have been times when I have

suffered depression because of this. To be able to sort of little boy needs me, no-one is

going to look after him the way I will. No-one is going I will. No-one is going to watch out for those little nuances that you get when

you're the mum. And I think of

myself as mum first. I just happen to have to do additional caring work for this little

fellow. To sort of come to the realisation you're a carer is a pretty tough one as well. Good morning, Nicola, good morning koeb yurn. Ready for our day? Bye, bye, have a good day. Key you.- see you. Jessica Ferrari worked me on that story. Another group of caring Canberrans have found it much easier to get voices heard. They're members of a choir known as Vets Voices. The criteria membership - you need to be a veteran from any conflict veteran from any conflict or peacekeeping force peacekeeping force and

enthusiastic singer, and have a little time to spend spreading the love. You're testing the love. You're testing my system.

SONG: # When the moon hits your eye # Like a big piece of pie # We know of the therapeutic benefit of singing, especially

for people we have a lot of people here who have physically and mental-type problems and it's very uplifting and it

makes you feel better. I approached the original president here three years president here three years ago about forming a singing group

and then I met Brian in our combined psychiatrists weight

room and we decided to get together and make this thing happen. The whole idea was we love sing, we know what it love sing, we know what it does for us. SONG: # All sons and # Around the world # Away from the family and friends. # When we formed the

group we called it Veterans Voices because we were

that we wanted it to be a

veterans singing group. We are peacekeepers. We want vets to come and join SONG: # On with the sailors cry # Carry the lamp that's born to be king # Over the sea to # Over the sea to sky # Speak bonny boy to the wind # On to the sailor's cry

# He that is born to be king # Over to the sea to sky #

We're not professionals.

We're not trained in that way. So for some of us who find it - have found it very difficult to eemp get times, it's quite daunting to

go out there and stand up and sing in was certainly the case three years ago when we got going.

And I've watched it change over time. I mean, I have post traumatic stress dis order traumatic stress dis order as well, but I love singing and

being in front of an audience, so it wasn't so hard for me. But I could see with a lot of the other fellows who hadn't

done it before there was a lot of stress. Music is therapeutic but as but as people have problem, as many of them do around here,

music offers the opportunity to forgot all those. It's being in any corporate is being in a team and being in a team you things for your mates. The environment here is such that this for suss a place almost a place of sanctuary for us. A lot of us still deal with those demons and that sort of stuff.

We are continuing to do that. So to be able to come somewhere to be with people who are alike

who know what we know and feel what we feel but not have to have, to sit down and have a big long discussion about that,

we can just do our thing comfortably, that is a very nice thing, it's amazing. That's why these places

work. There have been times I've not wanted to I've not wanted to come down here because I've been feeling

lousy, but I I turn up and within half an hour I'm laughing and singing and we have a ball. As laughing is

pretty much compulsory: That does the same thing as does the same thing as the singing and we all come out much happier, we of coffee at the end and go home to our wives and home to our wives and families a little less cranky than we were when we left home. SONG: # Oh what a beautiful morning # Oh what a beautiful day # I've got a beautiful # I've got a beautiful feeling # Everything's going # Everything's going my way # We were mostly Vietnam veterans to begin with, so we

started with 'ofs and '70s songs. After a while songs. After a while we tossed those out and we introduced

songs - we used to say what songs can we sing and blokes would go on to the would go on to the Internet and download songs and we worked very much uncompanied for a while until John Bonnett came along. He's brought a lot along. He's brought a lot of

new stuff into us. When I went

to the first rehearsal, I staggered: I thought staggered: I thought the

quality of the voice and the enthusiasm, the whole atmosphere, it was, well, quality was extraordinarily good. And the environment was uplifting, to be (Sings Russian song)

SONG: # The whistling gypsy

came over the hill # Down to the # He whistle and he sang till the green woods rang

# And he won the hearted of the # & dedoodah day # # The reason that we like

going to the retirement places

is that we feel enormous

benefit out of sing ing

together. We get a lot out of it. We feel better for it. It's nice to be able to pass that on to other people. If we enjoy

singing, if we enjoy singing part of that enjoyment we would like to spill over to other

people whose lyes not many as happy as they can happy as they can be. SONG: # Way and up she rise SONG: # Way and up she rise s

in the morning # We get enormous pleasure pleasure of the audience. But the aim of the game is that it might be a bit selfish, I suppose, but suppose, but we feel better for doing SONG: # Way hey and rises... # Early in the morning # It's a wonderful job for quite a while. There must be hundreds, if hundreds, if not thousand of vets here in the ACT that we're not able so far to attract more to join us. We would like. That

We would like to see more people. We more member, that's for certain. And that includes female s tie.'S open to female

veterans as well as male veterans. So if there's any females or male veterans who group. SONG: # And I think SONG: # And I think to myself # What a wonderful world # Yes, I think to myself Now you know what we have to

puts up with out there. We will

have a link to their website on ours on Monday. Craig Allen produced the story. And produced the story. And now to Canberra's very medallists. It seems the guitar department at department at the ANU School of Music is a breeding ground Music is a breeding ground for

champions to rival the AIS. The the Cordoba international guitar competition. The department head, Tim Kain, is a local lad, having grown up Braidwood and then Canberra. He and his young champions might be unsung, but they're be unsung, but they're finally tuned. - but they're finely tuned. It's the guitar's heyday at this particular period in history. It has a very long history but as a 6-string instrument it really came into its own in the 20th obviously it's the instrument of pop music and has been for

the past 50-odd years. Maybe first and foremost is the beauty of the sound of the instrument. Thing's why it's so popular and what draws popular and what draws people to it. It's a pretty daunting experience, the competitions, but especially in Spain and in the festival, in the Cordoba international guitar

there's so many great players,

really, really big names These

are from quite independent juries that

players they're listening to but simply but simply make an unbiased judgment, so it's a wonderful thing to see that School of Music is producing young musicians young musicians of this calibre. In 2006, both Bradley and I went down to Sydney and won the instrumental duo competition and duo competition and a chamber of music with guitar event that we both placed first in together as the BREW gittal

duo, which is a pun on our names - BR for Braddy and EW for Drew. And we both like for Drew. And we both like a

bit of beer every now and then!

Being students we have the instrument that we can afford.

And we love our instruments, they're great Aussie git arse and Matt and I both play git arse by the same maker.- guitars by the same maker. I think that having the same guitars in the duo really makes for a nice quality sound. play guitars by the same maker. - guitars by the same maker. I guitars in the duo really makes for a nice quality sound. I am obviously immense ly proud of their proud of their achievements. They do actively support each other. We have a class where students play to each other and give each other feedback. You

feel less nervous if you're confident in the music you're playing and if you're well

prepared. The more important is the reason why you play music. If you're going up on stage to make music for and audience make music for and audience and to be to be a generous musician who just wants to give something, then there's very

little to get nervous about because you don't feel like you're going to be judged and you don't feel like the spot. You're just there, it's a natural, organic way it's a natural, organic way of bringing something to an audience. There's so many ways in which musicians make a living and it's one of living and it's one of those things that parents are very

concerned about . But if one trusts one works hard and trusts one works hard and is dedicated to it, somehow things

seem to work out.. And the love of music is always there, and the ability the ability to play and that

can never be taken away from now. It's just a great game to be. In They're very good friends as well, so it becomes very natural without even needing any gestures. We just know when it's right to come in together and it all feels very natural

and musical.. It's my job to keep fanning that flame and challenging them and supporting them and just having them and just having fun with them as well. It is in the end a really enjoyable Do It's just about

there and having a bit of fun.

Very good. Jessica Ferrari the program for another week. the program for another week. I will see you at the same time next week. Until then, goodbye. Closed Captions by CSI

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