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live. Hello and welcome to

Stateline. I'm Philip Williams.

Coming up - two artists, they

met, danced and married. His

career as a painter prospered,

hers as a potter took a

backseat. After half a century

exhibition. Bill Stefaniak together, they have a joint

became leader of the ACT

Liberals this week. Something

of a surprise move. Most

pundits were expecting the

challenge to Brendan Smyth to

come from Richard Mulcahey.

Stefaniak first entered the

Assembly in 1989 as Education

Minister in the Carnell

Government. He's one of the

longest serving members

representing Ginninderra. A day

in his new busy life as

Opposition Leader shortly, but

first we put to the test his

recognition factor around town.

Do you know who this man is? I

know who he is, but I forgot

his name. No! Does he come from

Australia? Bill

Stefaniak. That's some state

politician isn't it? That would

be Bill Stefaniak. Do you know

what party he's from? The

Liberals. Do you know his

name? No. No. Probably the new

leader of the ACT Libs. Does

the name Bill Stefaniak mean

anything to you? Vaguely. No.

Is he a politician? Yeah. He's

the new Liberal leader. Looks

like an average bloke. Bill

Stefaniak. Does the name Bill

you? No. Yes, Bill Stefaniak mean anything to

Stefaniak. That is Bill

Stefaniak. Is that Bill

Stefaniak? Doesn't he have

something to do with housing? I

wouldn't know. It's the new

Liberal leader guy. What's his

name? Bill Stefaniak.

Let me say that Mr Stefaniak

- I haven't shuttered in my

boots. I like Bill and respect

him and I've known him for 36

years. You know, it's difficult

for me to comment on those

things at a personal level. I

extend my commiserations to

Brendan Smyth. Tell me about

you though, your personality.

What is it about you that is so

suited to this job? I'm a

person - I'm a pretty

gregarious person. I like to

get out and about with people.

I do listen to people. At least

I try too! It is important to

be aware of what ordinary

people in the community want,

not just special interest

groups. I don't mind walking

into a pub and having a few

beers with the locals. Hello,

Kevin. Bill, how are you? Noted

about. Morning, Bill. How are

you mate? Congratulations,

Bill. There is a theory put to

me by somebody who has been

close to you in the past, but

that in effect you are a

stalking horse for Richard

Mulcahey. Are you not there for

the long haul. You are warming

the seat for him? A lot

obviously can happen in

politics. I've been around a

long time. I took a difficult

decision. The party has made

that decision and we'll move

forward now. Do you worry

you've been sucked in? I'm here

to give it my best shot. I'm

under no elusions that if we

don't win the next election,

the party might well look for

someone else. Are you worried

you might not get to the

election? I think the Liberal

Party will be crazy to engage

in any further destabilisation,

any further problems, any

further internal party

problems. I think we need to

put all of that behind us. It's

hard to put it all behind you

when even some in your own

party accuse you of backstabing. These things are

never easy, but if we don't,

and if some of the problems

we've had in the last 18 months

continue, it will be very, very

difficult for us to have a

chance to win the next

election. You have the hot

breath of Richard Mulcahey on

your shoulder there. Well, he's

certainly guaranteed full

support. I'm pretty confident

in terms of what seems to be a

real desire to move forward.

Most politicians have ambition.

There are few who go into

politics who don't want to be

leader at some stage. That is

something I think you live with

in politics. You're about to

undergo the haircut of your

life. I am. This is the Jackie

Best Appeal. There is a new

the pharmaceutical benefits drug on the market, but not on

list and it costs about $8,000

a month. Jackie has beaten

cancer on two occasions,

including a brain tumor, but

she has another form now and

this drug is doing wonders for

her. A bit of fear and

intrepidation now. God knows

what I will look like after

this. I hope I don't scare the

children. Here goes. It's for a

great cause and thanks to

everyone for turning up. It

worked for Kate Carnell. She

managed to have the without

follicles and survive in

Government, so hopefully do you

think this will change your

image? I can't be uglier than I

am now. I will be interested to

see what it looks like. How

does it feel? I can feel a

breeze! That's Frank blowing in

your ear! Very handsome

. Extremely handsome. He only

has to go in the sun and it

will match the tan. Tell me

about your passions beyond

politics. I love - there are a

number of things. I'm an avid

reader, especially of military

history. I very much enjoy

sport. I do go to the gim. I

haven't in the last few days

much, unfortunately. I coach

rugby union. I play veteran's

rugb myself. Rugby is a

passion. It's a religion! It

probably is. I enjoy being with

my family. This will be hard

because it will mean less time

with them. I like a good play.

I suppose I do have a passion

for most sports and certainly

like participating in them as

well. Stateline can now

officially reveal you were the

lifeguard at the Captain's Flat

pool for a season in 1970? It

was 71-72, Phil. I remember

that well. I had to throw about

eight kids out the first day

and four the next day. I didn't

have any trouble after that. It

was an absolute ball. We

drained the pool on Christmas

day because there were frogs in

it. About 50 of the local kids

helped me scrub the pool clean

and we filled it by 28

December. It was a great job

when I was a student. You are

sort of very much ensconced in

the football culture in the

country, particularly in the

rugby field in the ACT. You

like military history. They are

very bloky things. How do you

appeal to the other half of the

population? Well, I like

playing and I've done things

like part-time teaching at the

CIT. I was Education Minister

for seven years. Most of my

portfolios weren't exactly what

you call bloky port foals,

except for sport and

recreation. I have two

step-daughters and a little

daughter of my own, a lovely

wife. I've got four very

important women in my life and

the step-grand-daughter who is

delightful. You are seen as

bloky. A man's man. I suppose

I'm seen as that, but I'm more complex than would meet the

eye. It's not just watching

football matches or getting

involved. I enjoy good play and

a night out at the theatre. I

do enjoy watching a good soapy

movie. When you did take that

very difficult decision to

effectively depose Brendan

Smyth, you really did expose

yourself to a new raft of

scrutiny, you know. We've come

to talk to you, for example. Yes. That's a lot of

extra pressure. It is. I

wouldn't do it if I didn't

think I could do it. I hope I

will be able to lead the party

forward in a positive way. I'm

willing to give it my best

shot. Thank you. Catch you.

Boys in schools have caused

enough concern to warrant a

major Senate enquiry. Numerous

bookz and stacks of papers.

There is a local initiative

lending much-needed support.

The 'On Track' Program is an initiative between Googan Goolwun Youth Corporation and

the ACT and Narrabundah

primary. It teaches the boys

survive skills, not just useful

in the bush, but back in the

schoolyard and classroom. Along

the way they gain self-confidence and have a lot

of fun. Catherine Garrett

produced this report.

That's the low ropes course.

There is about seven different

obstacles and you guys will do

all that today. I have a few

safety rules to go through.

Tyler you come up here, bud.

You will be the person in the

middle. You two will be my

spotters. Now, remember how you

have to have your hands like

this. You guys come in a bit

closer, alright. And pretty

much on your guy's word, you

will fall back. Some of the

kids we have do have

challenging behaviours and

we're trying to improve their

behaviour as well through the

mentoring staff and roles that

we have on board. See if he

trusts you. Hey. My role as a

mentoring role and being a role

model for a lot of the young

kids, it's pretty basic in

regards to the good and bad

things in life. Some students

don't have either a father role

model in their homes and I

think with some of the mentors

that we've got here, this is

what the kids can look up to.

I think it's very important

for boys to have these male

role models and mentors. LAUGHTER

At first, the guys didn't

take us too well. Being from a

policing side of things. As

things grew, it takes a bit of

time. I don't know whether we

have their trust yet, but we've

been in the program for a good

12 months and I think it's slowly getting there in regards

to trust and honesty. Later

constable Kenny! We found

through involvement with young

people and young people at

risk, we can reduce crime and

the likelihood of young people

turning to criminal behaviours

and other harmful

behaviours. Did you catch the

meat? It's good. Looking

forward to going on

this? Yep. No, we don't try to

scare the kids, but there is an

element of discipline in there.

That stands them in good stead

later in their lives. Good,

job! Your turn. I'm getting the

students to work well in a

team, getting them to display a

bit of leadership qualities as

well. Just the hand-eye

coordination as well. Being a

teacher I try and make sure

when I run the programs I try

and look at it in a holistic

approach. I'm hopeless at

this. I'm sure you guys can get

to one end of the pole to the

other without losing your

balance. Keep going! You learn

a new thing every day and get

the traditional games happening

and going on the bush walks and

didding the bush tucker stuff

with Daniel and creating new

things and doing activities.

This is used for food. More so

to make fire sticks out of this

as well. It's proper name is

xanthia grass tree. It has

spiky grasses as well. It

tastes like avocado. Once they

know about their culture,

that's who they are, then they

can be more confident about

themselves and their

self-esteem is boosted up and

they can perform whatever they

want. The grass tree, and the

stump provide the resin. You

get the resin and mix it with

dry kangaroo pooh to make stone

axes and put on the

spears. This is chinabilla, an

initiation place, a sacred

area. There was one called

buragin. We would have a stump

at each end and there is a set

of cones around both of them

and like a red and yellow. We

have to hit the stump. At risk

kids that we work with are

very, very shy in some

ways. They just don't know how

to handle people. Being with

other indigenous kids and

people like us and other

Government agencies helps them

to talk a bit more. They are

all supportive and help you get

along in school and stuff and

they are always there for you.

They help with my work - I've

improved with my work and my

teacher, getting along with

him. I've made new

friends. I've learnt to do

group work like science at

school and everything. By the

time they get to high school

they have a lot of gaps in

their knowledge and it's hard

for them to stay at school and

things like that.

I think if we can get them

at a primary school level or

younger, we can build them up

so that they have a better and

brighter future ahead of them.

Looks like a great program.

Michael Taylor is a much

acclaimed Australian painter.

He met his wife, Rominie, at

arts school when they were

teenagers. She's aport. They

fell in love over common

interests in art and dancing.

After they were married, she

put her career on hold to

support his and to raise a

family. They've travelled all

over the worthwhile but have

spent what amounts to a

lifetime in the Bredbo region.

After 53 years of marriage,

they are having their first

joint exhibition. Arthur Hill

joined them at their Cooma home

for a story about love and art.

There was one class - it was

Laura Nimos's class. She had us

doing an architectural drawing

of East Sydney, which is nice

old convict buildings and this

drawing went on for weeks and

weeks. You gradually developed

it each week. Rominie and I

were sitting together drawing

the same thing week after week

and that's how we got to know

each other. So she got bored

with the drawing and got more

interested in each other? Well,

we still kept drawing, but we

both liked dancing and after

college in the night-time we

went to varies venues around

Sydney. It was a mutual

attraction society thank

heavens. Neither of us had had

any experience in that

direction so it was pretty

amazing to discover it with

someone. It's like you are

away with the pixies once

again. But it was a buzz. You

couldn't imagine that your body

as you had been as a younger

person could stand up and be

counted and get such a buzz

from this. I think the music

and the words and all of that

added to it. They were part of

the excitement. They swept you

along. And the type of dances

swept you along. I first

learned when you dance that the

man must lead. So that's

something I learned from

dancing. So we have sort of

lived with that a bit. Really,

when I left the art school, it

was the people I met in the

next few years that made me

realise that I wanted to do

something that was very

different from what they were

teaching at East Sydney. I

never think of myself as an

abstract compressionist. One

day I look at the sea an think

what I do about that. The terms

don't worry me, particularly.

Yet, I think people are just

painters. It was the first

time really in my life when I

lived there that I had an

opportunity to buy canvas, to

be off all the time. I had

always had part-time work up

until then. In fact I bought

canvass that were quite large.

It was just a matter of getting

up in the morning and I could

go to the sheds and really feel

like a painter. How long do you

think you work? How many more

years? Do you see an end at

any point? Are you going to

work like Picasso, until the

very end? I could go out with a

brush in my teeth. I am rather

fond of pools and legs.

GENTLE TRUMPET MUSIC PLAYS

By the time we got here, 30

years later, I said I'm going

to do an associate diploma of

pottery at the local TAFE. They

were wonderful. They taulgt me

how to mix glazes and throw a

pot a bit better than I'd been

able to up until then. Then my

father died, I got a small

amount of money and I thought I

will invest in another kiln and

wheel because on account of...

It's a good memory for

him. I've always done colage

from the time I was at arts

school but it was a less er

endeavour than the oil

paintings. But what actually

happened about ten years ago, I

think it was, we were not - I

wasn't selling any paintings,

we weren't earning very much,

so I was looking for cheaper

ways of getting it done and I

started getting cardboard from

behind shops. The things that I

was sticking on the cardboard

were from say Salvation Army

shops where you could get

magazines for 10 cents, books

for 20 krnts cents and I had

quite a stack of these 20-cent

books that I could rip into. It

got so that I got very involved

in the collage making and

because it was so cheap, I

could keep producing. By going

through the old books one image

would attract me and I would

tear it out and then there

seemed to be some that were

personal you would find and

these - well, you could call

them realistic images with the

paint work - brought out

something that was a little bit

different from the paintings.

It probably was a lead-in for a

lot of people. But also I was

discovering things myself. A

lot of these images went back

to childhood days and later. I

was quite surprised when I was

offered the show with Rominie

and that that was the thing

that clinched it, that we were

going to have a show together.

I had to mix my own glazes

here. You get really carried

away. Especially when you are

doing - the hand is in the

clay. It's actually very good

for if you suffer from

permanent pain in your knees or

something like that. The clue

is you can't concentrate on two

things at once. So you come

away from doing your pottery

quite... It's great. I would

like to get more extravagant

and more further away from the

practical side of it, two

teapots that you are going to

have difficulty pouring the tea

out of and more into the

sculptural. We think after 53

years if we have a big public

demonstration of our

collaboration or whatever it

was, it was great. A

celebration. We felt

celebratery. Natural ly it's a

bit - the anticipation, you

worry will you stand up, will

my legs fall apart. It was

full circle. Here were the two

kids drawing next to each

other, were now having the

first time that you showed your

artistic endeavours

together. Yes, and it was

deservedly right that she was

given some recognition. In what her

her own work, but also the

involvement that she's had with

you over the years as

well? It's not easy being a

muse! It's hard to describe a

relationship that is as

meaningful as ours has been,

but we were pretty good

together and it lasted over 50

years, so pretty good going!

Pretty good going indeed.

That exhibition is on at the

Canberra Museum and Gallery.

That's the program. Goodnight

to Friday night viewers and

good afternoon to the Saturday

audience. Whatever time it is,

be sure to join us again next

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