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(generated from captions) Bundaberg today, Tarsh. It's a

shocking story. Thanks Max Futcher from Bundaberg. Environment Minister Peter Garrett

claims his department never told

him a risk assessment of the

insulation rebate scheme had

demanded it actually be delayed for

three months. The recommendation

was ignored despite the report

finding serious flaws with the

potential scheme including safety fears and

potential fraud and joining us now

live from Canberra is the Shadow

Environment Minister, Greg Hunt.

Good morning, Mr Hunt. Thanks for

morning. your time this morning. Good

Now, should the minister have been

told of the warning to delay the

program start date? Some may say

how could Peter Garrett act

responsibly with this scheme if he

wasn't given all the information?

The simple point is that the minister has

minister has had over 20 warnings

and they were from his department

through the Minter Allison process,

from unions, from the industry

experts and above all else from

State and Territory officials who

said that this program will lead to

fires and fatalities. So it's not

just a case of one warning. It's

they over 20 warnings. 21 warnings and

they were clear and precise and

absolute that, as it was designed,

the program would bring in the

cowboys, bring in the shonction. It

was ungovernable -- the shonks. It

was ungovernable and it would lead

inevitably to tragedy. Now we've

seen of course 240,000 roofs out

there which are either unsafe or

substandard. We've seen 1,000 substandard. We've seen 1,000

potentially deadly electric roofs.

93 house fires - and that's almost

impossible to imagine. And then,

above all else, the profound human

tragedy. So real warnings ignored

by the minister, a desire to just

put a lot of money out there and

sadly the shonks came in and have

ruined a good industry and turned

it bad. Good people have lost their

jobs and above all else, jobs and above all else, there are

tragedies out there. Now, Mr Hunt,

Peter Garrett is remaining defiant,

saying that he will not stand down

at this stage over this issue. In

Parliament yesterday, the

Opposition leader, Tony Abbott,

declared the minister was in electrocution denial. You then

followed it up by naming the four

workers that had died during this

installation debacle. Some are

to saying you're using scaremongering

to acquire political points during

this whole debate.

The problem and the challenge here

is that almost every week there's a

new house fire. There have been 93

house fires attributed to the

program, not through our words, but

through the evidence given to the

Senate inquiry yesterday by the

secretary of Mr Garrett's own

department. That's 93 homes that

have been, you know, ruined or have been, you know, ruined or

damaged in a very significant way.

And 1,000 potentially deadly

electric roofs out there. And these

are real-world impacts of a

Government policy and, at the

moment, we know there are 48,000

homes with foil roofs out there

which have been installed under the

program - about 2% or about 1,000

of those are likely to be live and of those are likely to be live and

electrified. And who knows which of

those houses there are? So there

couldn't be a more profound impact

on human lives, on real lives. Many

things happen in Canberra which are

just a debate. This has reached

into the lives and homes of people

and, um, made them unsafe, put them

at risk and led to house fires and

human tragedies. So I wish it were

just a debate. It is much more

finally - serious than that. Mr Hunt, just

finally - a new poll out today

shows more than half of all

respondents believed Peter Garrett

was doing a dud job. Someone has to

take responsibility for this. There

seems to be a lot of blame-game

going on here. Should the minister

go? And if he doesn't resign,

should the Prime Minister sack him

and sack him immediately? Mr

Garrett should resign. He has

failed in a gross and systemic way

discharge to protect Australian homes and to protect Australian homes and

discharge his duties and if he

doesn't resign, then the Prime

Minister should sack him. Alright.

Thanks for joining us this morning.