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THEME MUSIC 'Welcome to Order In The House, a review of the week in Federal Parliament.' The leader of the Opposition promotion of this fake email has his fingerprints all over the and he knows it. created or composed, The email was not nor was the text provided journalist Steve Lewis to the News Limited by anybody in the opposition. the ghost of Mark Latham. I could have sworn I was witnessing It was all there, Mr Speaker. It was all there. The jaw jutting out. All the fake aggression. All the machismo. All the "We're going well!" We used to hear it, Mr Speaker. The Treasurer has something to hide! resume his seat. The Member for North Sydney by the Ozcar affair A week that was dominated that an email began with the revelation attack on Kevin Rudd central to Malcolm Turnbull's was a fake. the Opposition Leader But that didn't stop the Treasurer to account. from calling can raise distractions Now, the government emails as much as they like. about other documents and other Good. The Member for Clovelly... as much as you like. You can talk it up But you cannot escape the fact of the Commonwealth of Australia that presiding over the finances Minister... is a Treasurer... ..who has lied to this House. He has lied to this House. progress of Mr Grant's application. He said that he had no idea of the like everybody else. He said he was treated treated like this. There was nobody else treatment... The only person who got that Order, the Minister for Agriculture. of the Prime Minister. ..was a crony and benefactor ethical standards of this government. This goes to the very core of the The Member for Dawson. when he was in opposition, This Prime Minister, who, constantly stands up, and now as Prime Minister about high ethical standards. speaking sanctimoniously who has lied to the House. Here he has a Treasurer Order, the Leader of the Opposition should be careful. extraordinary leverage The Treasurer has sought to use to seek an advantage for a mate, and he will not lift a finger, who has so abused his power. not lift a finger against a Treasurer It is impossible to imagine...

The Minister for Families! to imagine any company It is impossible and more susceptible being more vulnerable than Ford Credit. to government pressure Leader of the House.

They were fighting for their life "John Grant needs help. and they were told, but he needs help. He's not a Ford dealer, Oh, and he's a friend He's a mate of the Prime Minister." Those on my right... of the Labor Party. This is the culture They cannot escape from it. of the ethical standards... Cronyism, patronage and abandonment The Member for Deakin is warned! As much as they scream, The louder they scream, the more desperate we see them to be as they try to hold up in office trust of the Australian people a Treasurer who has betrayed the responsibilities... and prostituted his Order! the power of Commonwealth... ..by seeking to leverage The Minister for Families. the Prime Minister's mate. to advantage ALL: Hear, hear. of Australia to resign, After calling on the Prime Minister after calling on the Treasurer to resign, this Leader of the Opposition comes into this House today and says he has concerns.

But he does not actually take the action of moving a motion of censure. MAN: That's right. We have been told that we should resign from our offices because it is such a matter of grave public importance. Yet he comes in here and does not even have the courage to move a motion of censure. Why has he failed to do so? He has had an opportunity today in this debate, firstly to produce the email upon which his entire case depends. Where is the email? We are waiting for this email to be produced. Secondly, why has he not produced this email? Because the email which he alleges exists between my office and the Treasury does not exist. The entire case advanced by the Leader of the Opposition rests on a forgery. Today, Alan Jones asked the Leader of the Opposition on radio the following. But someone in the Opposition obviously believed they had seen the email, because Senator Abetz, your Opposition Industry Spokesman, read out its text during the Senate inquiry on Friday.

To which the Leader of the Opposition replied, and I quote him, "That had been published, I believe, in the Telegraph."

To which the Deputy Leader of the Opposition then added on ABC radio this morning, and I quote her,

"It is perfectly legitimate for senators to put information that has been published on the front pages of the newspaper that day regarding the content of an email." Mr Speaker, But here is the core problem. The Daily Telegraph did not publicise its alleged email until Saturday. (LAUGHTER) The Senate inquiry was held on Friday. This is the damning moment for the Treasurer. Because the Treasurer stated in this place, the Treasurer stated in this place that it is an entirely normal situation.

He is expecting us to believe normal situation to ask a company that is desperate for half a billion dollars of taxpayers' money to help out a mate of the Prime Minister. He expects that is I will tell you what, that is not an entirely normal situation. The best defence...the best defence this Treasurer can come up with is that the money did not, in the end, come from Ford Credit. The Treasurer has engaged in a conspiracy to murder but there is no body, that's what he's saying. So therefore there's no crime. Well, there is a crime. There's two crimes. One is, the Treasurer has misled the Australian people and that is a heinous crime.

A heinous crime! MAN: (COUGHS) Children overboard. Secondly, this weak and insipid Treasurer is taking care of the Prime Minister's mate with taxpayers' money.

That is our contention. He has gone too far.

The Treasurer has gone too far, Mr Speaker. The bill for all of this is undoubtedly being paid by the Australian taxpayers. The Shadow Treasurer has sought to create the impression that no-one else was looked after, just Mr Grant. No-one else received any treatment at all. Well, let's deal with Mrs Hull, the Member for Riverina. She sent an email to my office... INTERJECTION ..I'll deal with the home fax in a moment, Sloppy Joe. Order. Email from Kay Hull, on March 20, 2009 at 12.17. "We have a crisis in car dealer finance to many dealers, covering around 80 to 90 dealers in New South Wales..."

and goes on, very legitimately, to talk about the nature of the problem. So that came to my office at 12.17 on March 20. At 12.28, 11 minutes later, the reply goes from my office. 11 minutes later. 11 minutes.

WOMAN: That's pretty good service. "Kay, I will refer your request to the appropriate person in the department who will get in touch with the car dealer..." so on, so on. An immediate reply from Kay is also very diligent. "Thank you very much Amanda," and so on. But the key line here is in the next document, which is an email from the Treasury Department to my office on the March 23 at 11.53. "For your information in case Kay Hull asks you where this is at, I have spoken with the dealer and explained to him where things are at. INTERJECTION Order. But it's the next paragraph... The Member for North Sydney. It's the next paragraph that's the killer. Order, Member for Moreton. The next paragraph is the one that's the killer.

"I told him to contact Capital Finance and to let me know if he gets resistance." Let me know if he gets resistance.

Signed, Godwin Grech. We had the Prime Minister come in here, his face flushed, surrounded by a phalanx of heavies. He came in here and he tried to carpet bomb the integrity

of anyone who dares to question anything that he did.

the integrity of News Limited, He carpet bombed the integrity of the Leader of the Opposition. You know what the Prime Minister has even done today, Madam Deputy Speaker? What the Prime Minister has been doing since last Friday and again today, he has used governmental organisations as agencies of political intimidation. He has sooled the Australian Federal Police and the Auditor General on politicians and journalists to try to stop them doing their job. That is the real import of what we have seen today, a Prime Minister who will balk at nothing to try to ensure that he does not suffer any political disadvantage whatsoever. This is a very serious allegation that's being made partly based on an email that no-one has seen and those who have seen it are now doubting the veracity of it. I think the onus really is on the Leader of the Opposition to substantiate how he came to be in possession or view that particular email,

and who, in fact, showed him that email. Otherwise we potentially... ..and also for the Treasurer to do as I just suggested. Otherwise we potentially waste a week on this, and I think we all know the result of this now.

Irrespective of what the numbers are and how the votes go, or what's written in tomorrow's papers. If that email isn't presented today there is no trail of corruption with the Prime Minister. I think it's as simple as that. There may well be some questions that need to be answered by the Treasurer or the Treasurer's office.

The Leader of the Opposition. My question is to the Treasurer, and I refer the Treasurer to his statement in the House on the fourth of June when he said that Mr John Grant, and I quote, received the same assistance as every other car dealer.

Will the Treasurer advise the House how many other car dealers he spoke with directly on the telephone before referring them to Treasury for Assistance. Now, there were a variety of car dealers that contacted my office. They contacted other offices. They contacted the Treasury. They worked through the MTAA and made contact with the Treasury. I spoke, and I said this very clearly in my doorstop,

to Mr Grant following a representation from Mr Bernie Ripple, I spoke to him, I spoke to him for a couple of minutes.

I referred him to my DLO, and he was then dealt with by that DLO in the way in which the emails indicate. I spoke to him, I don't apologise for that for one minute.

The Leader of the Opposition has the floor. My question is to the Treasurer. I refer the Treasurer to his statement in the House on 4th June when he said that Mr John Grant, and I quote, received the same assistance as every other car dealer. I refer again to the meeting on 23rd February,

where Ford Credit was seeking more than $.5 billion of taxpayer-funded assistance. Can the Treasurer inform the House about how and why Treasury officials came to know

that Mr Grant was an acquaintance of the Prime Minister. The Minister for Families. Is that all? The Treasurer. He ought to do the decent thing and resign. Hear, hear! He was so desperate. SO desperate. (ALL PROTEST) Order! He ought to do the decent thing and resign. Hear, hear! (PROTESTS) Treasurer to resume his seat. Leader of the Opposition on a point of order. The Treasurer should do the decent thing and answer the question. The Leader of the Opposition. The Treasurer should respond to the question. Treasurer. I don't accept the characterisation of that matter, the way in which it was put by the Leader of the Opposition. But the fact is that Treasury officials were meeting on behalf of dealers to try and secure finance for them and that is a very important thing that they were doing. Many of those dealers - no, more than one dealer. Many dealers. The fact is, this has been outlined by Mr Delaney today. "The treatment that Mr Grant, a member of mine, got was no different from the treatment my other members got on my intervention on their behalf to Mr Grech. They were all treated in the same way and for good reason -

there was no other way to do these things." (INTERJECTIONS) 'By Tuesday the Opposition had abandoned its case against the Prime Minister but it didn't let up on the Treasurer.

The Government used Dorothy Dixus to taunt the Coalition.

The Minister. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The National Esecurity Awareness Week has some key lessons.

Its lessons for all computer users include, when dealing - and this is part of the material - "When dealing with email, it is important

to not just blindly follow achievements from unknown sources." That was part of the lesson, the lesson out there on National Esecurity Week promoting for the general public. It also said, "It is important to take a bit of care in trusting where the information came from." That's what it said. That's what it said. National Esecurity Awareness Week just two weeks ago. And indeed, we launched in education module

aimed for Year 3 and Year 9 students. In the future... LAUGHTER AND INTERJECTIONS In the future there's no doubt that it could be played we're building, in some of the new classrooms that we're building. We also produced a series of postcards. I commend to members in the House the website - www.staysmartonline.gov.au

The postcards - "What have you lost?" Maybe the leadership. "What have you lost?" "Protect yourself online" postcards. We've even got the program buddy. And I table it for the benefit of the Leader of the Opposition, who may need one or two in coming days. Clearly the Opposition didn't pay attention during our National Esecurity Awareness Week. What we've seen from the Opposition is their reliance upon a fake email to call for the resignation of the Prime Minister and the resignation of the Treasurer.

That is what we have seen. The sort of lessons that are being told to kids in Year 3 have not been learned by those opposite who are the alternative government of the nation. The contradictions when it comes to the connections with Mr Grech and this email are quite extraordinary. "At 7:55am today, the Shadow Treasurer, when asked about correspondence with Mr Grech over the last few months, said 'Not to my knowledge.' At 8:05, the Leader of the Opposition said on AM when asked,

'Has anyone in the Opposition, to your knowledge, spoken to Mr Grech in the last few months, apart from the conversation that Joe Hockey said he had?'" The answer? "'Well, I am sure they have. Mr Grech is very well known and I have certainly spoken to Mr Grech.'" The Minister will relate his material to the answer. At 8:30, the Shadow Treasurer was out there saying, "Of course I have spoken to him. A remarkable turnaround. The concern that was there about this fake email... Order. The Minister will resume his seat.

The Member on a point of order. I'm sure you can anticipate. It is on relevance.

He's gone miles away from... The Minister will resume his seat. The Min... The Minister will respond to the question and relate to the matters of ecommerce, esecurity. Minister. Thank you, Mr Speaker. There's a very clear lesson from Esecurity Week and that's about the integrity of emails. There are other lessons there as well, such as, you can't delete them from your computers. Other lessons there as well. So the members of the Opposition might bear that in mind and cooperate with cooperate with the AFP investigation, and make available the Opposition's computers

to that AFP investigation because it's very clear that there's one other lesson they haven't learned, and it's clear from the questions they've asked today, which is when you're in a hole, stop digging. The Minister will resume his seat. I refer the Treasurer to his statement in the House on 4th June, when he said that Mr John Grant was treated, and I quote, "just like everybody else." When I referred a dealer to the Treasurer's office for assistance, did he have a phone conversation with that dealer before referring them to the Treasurer? Parliamentary Secretary for Defence will leave the Chamber for one hour under 94(a). The Member for Grey will continue his question. "When I referred a dealer to the Treasurer's office for assistance, did had have a phone conversation with the dealer before referring them to Treasury and did the Treasurer also receive updates on this case to his home fax? The Treasurer. Order. The first thing I'll say to the Member for Grey is that not every dealer sought a conversation, Mr Speaker. Not every dealer did seek a conversation.

But those dealers that contacted my office... There's a general warning. ..were dealt with promptly and appropriately. Of course they were all dealt with me, you moron. LAUGHTER The Treasurer will withdraw. I withdraw, Mr Speaker. Anybody who knows me in my political life knows that I've always endeavoured to deal as directly... Mr Swan will leave the Chamber for one hour under 94(a). Treasurer. I have always sought as a Member of Parliament and as a Minister to deal as directly as I possibly can with people who have problems. In this case, there were lots of car dealers big financial headaches and the employment of thousands of Australians was on the line. So many people were calling my Ministerial office.

Many people were calling the Treasury direct. Many people were going through their industry organisation. All of these things were being handled in the Treasury. As regards those that contacted my office, they were all forwarded on to the Treasury to be dealt with as quickly as was possible and as effectively as was possible. I'd remind Members of an investigation that's currently occurring with respect to an email that has now been determined to be a fake that was, according to the Australian Federal Police, created on a Treasury computer and emailed to the home of Mr Grech, to his computer. Although it was deleted subsequently from the Treasury computer, the AFP were able to determine the origins of the email. In response to these extraordinary events,

the Government has been prepared to make available all of its computer records with respect to the inquiries that are proceeding, both the Auditor General and the Australian Federal Police, in order to ensure that they can complete their investigations and that they can get all the available information they can in order to determine if any offences have been committed, and if so, by whom. Unfortunately the Opposition have thus far not agreed to make available their email, their computer records to the inquiry by Australian Federal Police in order to assist in the investigation of these matters in order to determine the origins of the email and any parties involved in its dissemination or in any way connected to the email and its dissemination more broadly. Mr Speaker, if you... The Minister will resume his seat. The Leader of the Opposition on a point of order. I'm interrupting Superintendent Tanner here, but the fact of the matter is, we have promised full cooperation with the Federal police. Full cooperation with the Federal Police. The Leader of the Opposition will resume had is seat.

That is not a point of order. 'Wednesday's media reports that public servant Godwin Grech

had supplied unofficial information to the Coalition put more pressure on Malcolm Turnbull. His attempt to call a full judicial inquiry was thwarted.' Questions without notice. Are there any questions? The Leader of the Opposition. My question is to the Prime Minister. I refer the Prime Minister to the Treasurer's previous answers regarding the preferential treatment provided to Mr John Grant, his friend and benefactor. Is the Prime Minister confident that the Treasurer's answers in the House have been, and I quote, "an honest and comprehensive account" as required by his own standards of Ministerial ethics?

Is the Prime Minister confident that the Treasurer has acted with fairness, as required by his own standards of Ministerial ethics? Does the Prime Minister have full confidence in the Treasurer's administration of Ozcar, especially in the way he looked after the Prime Minister's mate? MEMBERS: Hear, hear! The Prime Minister. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I, as Prime Minister, have absolute confidence

in the Treasurer of the Commonwealth of Australia.

I say that in the full confidence that those sitting behind the Leader of the Opposition today have passing and fading confidence in him. Mr Speaker, we have here a Leader of the Opposition who stands in this chamber in a state of denial,

as if somehow the events of this week have simply not happened, that they have just passed by, that they are of no consequence whatsoever and that it is all simply a bad dream, that it will go away. I have something to say to the Leader of the Opposition - this is not a bad dream that will just go away. It is a nightmare and it won't go away. It goes to the future of the Leader of the Opposition's tenuous hold on his position in this place. My question is to the Treasurer. I refer the Treasurer to an email dated 28 April 2009 and distributed by his own office this week.

This email sent to the offices of the Prime Minister and the Treasurer and to the respective departmental secretaries on a car dealer states - "By the way - and in the unlikely event that you do not know - most of this woman's employees live and work in the electorate of -" And here the words "the electorate" are omitted and replaced with the term "Liberal electorate". Did this dealer receive assistance in the same way that John Grant did? Why was political representation relevant? Was it part of the Treasurer's selection criteria, given this dealer was not a mate of the Prime Minister? The Treasurer. Well, Mr Speaker, every time the shadow treasurer gets up and asks questions in this House like that, he just reminds the Australian people that they've got no plans for jobs and no plans for the economy - none whatsoever. The emails that he is quoting from are emails that were released and which prove a very simple point - that Mr Grant received support, just like many other car dealers received support. But it is the case... It is certainly the case that there are questions that do need to be asked and answered here. Those questions relate to the role of the Leader of the Opposition and the role of the shadow treasurer in their relationship with Mr Grech and the pressure they may have put him under. The Leader of the Opposition on a point of order. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I move that so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would enable the Leader of the Opposition to move the following motion forthwith - that this House censures the Treasurer for misleading the House as to the full extent of his personal and active involvement in assisting the Prime Minister's mate and benefactor, Mr John Grant, by using his office as Treasurer and a half-a-billion dollar funding deal with Ford Credit as political leverage and today, voting against Opposition demands for an immediate judicial inquiry into the OzCar scandal. In the entire time that I have been in this House, I have never seen a motion to suspend standing orders during question time greeted with such silence from the Opposition Leader's own side because they know what he does not know himself. Order! I mean... I understand, Mr Speaker, that the Member for Wentworth knows a dead cat when he sees one, but this one has got no bounce.

This one has got no bounce. Mr Speaker, on Monday, we interrupted the Government's legislative agenda for 5.5 hours. Those opposite did not seek to move, at 12 o'clock,

when invited to by the Government, when invited did not seek to move a censure resolution. That was at a time when they were still saying that the fake email was real. Two days later, when they know it is a fake, they come in here and move a suspension for a censure What an extraordinary position. I understand. I understand, Mr Speaker, that their tactics committee met until 1:30 this morning. MURMURING Order. Order. It has become a conference.

It has become a conference, Mr Speaker, because when I turned on the television to watch Sky News this morning I had to check what I was watching. There was Kieran Gilbert in the studio,

interviewing the Leader of the Opposition. But Mr Speaker, watching the Leader of the Opposition I could have sworn I was witnessing the ghost of Mark Latham. It was all there, Mr Speaker. It was all there. The jaw jutting out, all the fake aggression, all the machismo, all the "we're going well"! We used to hear it. We used to hear it. "It's all going well!" Order. The Minister Minister resume his seat. Minister will resume his seat. Order. The Member for Warringah on a point of order. Much as I enjoy references to the Labor Party's former leader, this is quite out of order under standing order 104. The Member for Warringah will resume his seat. The Leader of the House will relate his material to the question. The Minister. Yes, Mr Speaker. There is someone who knows about boxing! The fact is that this Government does have a big legislative agenda. I understand why those opposite want to move suspensions of standing orders - because they have no questions. They have no questions. Why else? When was the last time a suspension was moved after three questions? When was the last time? Member for North Sydney. Three questions. They cannot even count. After three questions, they moved to shut question time down, because all they have got is a fake email - that is all they have got and they have had a shocker of a week with this reincarnation of Mark Latham opposite here. Cab drivers are nervous! Lucky we have COMCAR. Lucky we have COMCAR.

The Member for Berowra.

I have a question for the Attorney-General. Is the Attorney-General concerned that the media has provided a running commentary on an Australian Federal Police inquiry since Monday?

Has the Attorney sought an explanation from the Australian Federal Police as to how this has occurred? Will he assure the Parliament that there has been no improper release of information from the Australian Federal Police to any minister, member or staff member of the Government? Finally, I ask him, what is the role of the presumption of innocence in relation to Mr Grech?

Order. The Leader of the House. Coming from this member, it is clear that the standing order which mean that questions cannot be ironic

should be applied in this case. Order. There is no point of order. The...order. The Attorney-General. What a cheek, coming from you, Ruddock. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The inquiry by the Australian Federal Police is made entirely independently of Government. I have full and complete confidence in the conduct and the professionalism of the Australian Federal Police. I made a statement last Saturday as to why I requested the secretary of my department to in turn communicate a request to the Australian Federal Police. I did that subsequent to my receiving certain advice from my department as to potential offences under the Criminal Code. On receiving that request from the secretary of my department the Australian Federal Police, through their completely independent decision-making process, made a decision to commence an inquiry. I am aware that the Australian Federal Police, as we all are, issued a statement earlier this week, on Monday. That statement, I might note, was issued after a certain statement was made by the Member for North Sydney in this House. That statement by the Australian Federal Police or the decision to make that statement was entirely a matter for the Australian Federal Police. The Prime Minister has sought to say this is a question of character. What do we say of the character of a prime minister that makes unsubstantiated allegations against the Opposition? What do we say about the character of a prime minister

who, when he was in opposition, accused the prime minister, the foreign minister, the trade minister and half our frontbench of criminal activities and said that the Howard government had been underwriting Saddam Hussein's activities,

financing suicide bombers, accused the government of corruption and when it was established in a judicial inquiry that all of those claims he made were false, he gave no apology whatsoever. Our accusations against the Prime Minister were based on the evidence to the Senate committee but clearly that particular evidence must now be under question because of the assertion that there was a fake email produced in the Treasury and the inference that it may be connected with the witness.

That is the inference and that is why I have said - and this is the test of my character - that the criticism of the Prime Minister that we made last Friday, in the light of those developments, cannot be sustained. That is what we have said. That is a concession that the Prime Minister never gave to us

when he was in opposition and we were in government. The only way for the Prime Minister

to enable us to get to the bottom of this OzCar scandal is to have a full independent judicial inquiry. We have moved to set one up twice today and on each occasion the Government has knocked it back. That enquiry would have the full cooperation of the Opposition. It is vital that there be some sunlight let into these activities. How could it be that the financing arrangements of one Queensland car dealer, John Grant, became a personal mission for the treasurer of our country? How could it happen that the treasurer's private office on 20th February should send an email to the senior treasury official responsible for the $2 billion OzCar Financing Scheme,

Godwin Grech urging him, indeed instructing him, to make representations on behalf of that Queensland car dealer? And then only three days later for Mr Grech to go into that meeting with Ford Credit, at a time when Ford Credit was so desperately seeking $550 million of Commonwealth financial support, and spend a significant portion of that time at the meeting making the case for Ford Credit to take up the financing needs

of Mr Grant, who was not in any event a Ford dealer. Now on our side of the house, we all remember how this Prime Minister went about winning headlines in 2006.

How he went about, day after day Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs, making wild and scurrilous accusations against a Prime Minister, a foreign minister and a trade minister. How on 15 different occasions at 15 different press conferences,

he demanded that heads must roll. Not only did he call for resignations, not only did he accuse those ministers of corruption, but he made the outrageous allegation that they were feathering the nest of Saddam Hussein. And when, as they said earlier, Madam Deputy Speaker, a judicial enquiry found those smears and insinuations to be utterly baseless,

when it vindicated those three senior ministers he had so wrongly accused, he did not apologise, he did not retract, he showed not the slightest remorse, he simply accepted the reward of his Labor mates - they made him leader of the Labor Party.

The Senate delayed a vote on the government's Carbon Pollution Reduction bills until August. The coalition and independent senator Nick Xenophon have commissioned studies into alternative schemes. The bills that we have listed in the motion have been bills that the government have indicated to us that are urgent. If we considered the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme bills before these other motions,

there could be a risk that these bills are not considered. It is our view that the public certainly need the assurance

of these budget measures bills will be debated properly prior to the consideration of any other legislation. These are bills that commence

either at the beginning of this financial year or sometime shortly thereafter. As opposed to the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme suite of legislation which doesn't commence until one year after that, until 2010. And let's be honest, it really doesn't matter whether we start this debate now.. We start the ETS debate now or start it tomorrow, it will go all week and it should go all week because it is a ridiculous process for Australia to be putting forward an emission trading scheme prior to Copenhagen and in the form that is currently before us. It wouldn't have mattered whether we started this debate today or we started it last Thursday. This debate will go on as long as it possibly takes to convince the Australian people of the ramifications of what will happen to them if they proceed with this current emissions trading scheme and what will happen to their lives and what will happen to the economics of this nation and how completely and utterly pointless it is. Even if you have a genuine concern about the environment, then it still is completely and utterly pointless. Now the trap that people are obviously laying,

they're laying the trap of, you know, this is a filler buster.

Whatever tactics it takes to save the Australian people from this process is a genuine and worthwhile tactic. And if it's to debate this for as long as possible, then if the outcome of that is something that takes those who are the weakest in our economy and protects them from the effects of what is a peculiar and detrimental and environmentally pointless piece of legislation, then so be it. And it's view in relation to the CPRS bills that I don't believe that there should be a vote taking place in the absence of comprehensive modelling of alternate schemes. And that was one of the outcomes, not a majority outcome, in terms of the Senate enquiries into this,

that there be modelling of alternative schemes. And I see that modelling as important in the context of both framing the debate, giving an opportunity for amendments to be filed, and also having a debate about what the appropriate targets are for the CPRS bills. And I agree with the Greens, that I don't believe that the targets are adequate. The targets are too heavily conditional and I think that's in part a function of the design of the current CPRS scheme. Now it has been clear for some weeks now that the Opposition is terrified about debating these bills because they are unable, as so many other things, to reach a consensus inside their party room. They're deeply divided. The Senate Committee Reports again highlighted that division. That, quite frankly, is a problem for them, Mr President. But they have a responsibility to the Australian people to come into the parliament and vote on these issues. Particularly given that they went to the last election under a commitment to introduce Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. They actually went to the last election, even under John Howard, committed to that stance. And they have since walked away from it because they are unable to deal with the divisions inside their party. Now, Mr President, this comes down to a question about whether or not the Senate is going to debate the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme bill this week or not. We have the position, Mr President, in this parliament where the government doesn't have the majority and we have a position where the Opposition and some minor senators have determined to frustrate the government's capacity to debate these bills. Now I have to say, at least to Senator Xenophon, he was honest about it. He has said quite clearly he doesn't want to debate them. Now as I understand it, Senator Xenophon's position is August. Senator Fielding's position is unknown. And the Opposition's position is on the never never. This government is ready to debate the legislation on its CPRS scheme. There has been extensive consultation, there has been a green paper, there has been a white paper,

everyone has known the debate is coming on. So, Mr President, if people aren't prepared to debate it now you've got to wonder why. You've got to wonder why. And the only explanation for the Opposition is that they cannot reach any consensus. The leader does not feel secure enough to take on people like Senator Cash, who are from the flat earth view of the Opposition. And don't believe, as Senator Minchin doesn't, that there's any contribution to global warming from human activity.

But because they can't resolve those difficulties, they come in here and hide behind a procedural resolution. A procedural resolution which they didn't even speak to. I mean, I've got to give Senator Parry... He gave it his best shot yesterday.

He wasn't very convincing, but he moulded some sort of argument. The question is at the motion moved by Senator Bob Brown. Oh, what a mess, lack of application

to the most important environmental and potentially most catastrophic economic issue confronting this nation has got into because of the Opposition, and I have to say on this occasion,

Senator Xenophon and the silent Senator Fielding.

The government announced the Ghana Report in December last year to the Press Club and it was a responsibility upon all of us to come to this debate in mid-year fully equipped with the information that we needed. There's been a number of Senate enquiries. And, of course, consequent upon the enquiry which Senator Xenophon proposes, we could propose a series of other enquiries because this is a moving field. There is no limit to it. But we are charged with making decisions in the interest of this nation and to getting on with that job. I think under all the confusion this morning and the delaying, it's a case that the Senate's become a bit lost in the processes.

But I want to ask the Leader of the Opposition, if he would make clear to the Senate what legislation the Opposition,

and I suppose Senator Fielding as he's been in the cart with the Opposition throughout these debates on processes,

are prepared to allow the government to deal with in this session. Because having now defeated any prospect of us dealing with the CPRS, this legislation. INTERJECTIONS We're waiting for your speech on the backdown of alcopops. But we have a request to deal with urgent legislation,

which the Opposition has said all week is urgent. But we currently have no guarantee, apart from comments by Senator Parry earlier in the week, that they would deal with the legislation. Now under the current hours available to us in legislation, we will not deal... INTERJECTIONS Is there any chance of you controlling your backbenchers, Senator Minchin?

Or have you lost complete control as well? Order. Senator Evans in entitled to be heard in silence. Mr President, we are at the situation where effectively the Opposition has prevented the CPRS being brought on for debate this week. I accept that result. I accept that result. We disagree strongly, but we accept that's the view of the Senate. The Opposition did a U-turn over alcopops,

voting with the government to pass the legislation. But four MPs, two Liberals and two Nationals crossed the floor to oppose the tax. Now, Minister, if you go round the bottle shops and talk to the people there they'll tell you what one of the shifts that have occurred. Someone who's over 18 in the group will go to the bottle shop and they'll buy a bottle of soft drink. They'll tip half of it out and they'll fill it up with vodka. There they've got that potent brew in that bottle of soft drink with the equivalent of 12 nips of alcohol. 12 nips. We're talking about binge drinking. Can you imagine young people sucking on that cocktail for the night, what condition they're in at the end of the night. When you go in and buy a RTD, or a premix, you know from the bottle how many drinks are in that bottle. As I said before,

if you take a can of Bundy Gold you can drink two of those and be quite safe to drive. Quite safe to drive. So, then you really ask yourself after that,

is it really a health measure that we have engaged in?

No, it's not.

All we have done is shift the emphasis to another area. In my own town we've had Bundaberg rum since 1888. Bundaberg rum has been part of the Australian romance in many fields - the outback. The little square bottle of Bundaberg rum you buy, for example. And people have often wondered, "Why did they make a bottle like that?" And the reason for that was that it could go into the saddle pack. It would go into the saddle pack of the drover's saddle, when he was going out because there were no refrigerators out on the edge of the desert. All you had was the rum so they would drink the rum with the water. Yeah, probably bore water as the honourable member says -

the member for Lyons. Quite right. Probably bore water. It was part of the navy, the Australian and British Navy, during World War II. It's been a major sponsor of Australian sport. It is part of the industry profile of my city and my electorate. It is a well-made product. It is now being exported extensively overseas. Do you think, honourable members and minister, do you think that the Champagne region of France would sit idly by if some minister in the French government started attacking champagne? Do you seriously think that Scottish members of parliament would sit idly by while Scotch whisky was being attacked in the UK or Scottish parliaments? Of course not. And nor will I. Nor will I put at risk the jobs that are involved in that firm. And the fact that rum is made from molasses, which is a tertiary product of the Australian sugar industry.

Is has a very...

It is quite central to the economic profile of my district and the exposure of one of the two cities in my electorate of Hinkler.

So I make no apologies for doing that. Now this government wants to blame everything on the global financial crisis, but the reality is the rate at which this government is spending money makes it very difficult not just for the government, but for the opposition in relation to decisions about policy as we go forward. There is a significant revenue impact a significant revenue impact in relation to this particular measure, and we do not intend to make the economic budgetary position any worse than this government is proposing. We want to make sure, Mr Deputy Speaker that we have a position which is more economically responsible. That is our track record. That will be our record when we get back into government, and that is the reason that has led us to make the decision not to oppose this particular bill. It is remarkable, you know, Mr Deputy Speaker, that the health minister, over the course of the last 12 or 18 months, has not engaged in a forward-looking program of health measures at all. We will say to the government that from today, now is the opportunity for them to go forward

and to seriously engage in a debate about how it is they are going to curb binge drinking. This has to be a debate which is conducted by both sides of parliament because it is a serious debate. But if we're going to have a bipartisan position as we go forward, then let the government signal that's their intention. We will happily sit down with them to talk about how it is we are going to change

a culture that has built up over a long period of time. I might remind the House that we voted on this first in February, and if my sums and grasp of dates is correct we were well and truly already in difficult financial circumstances by that time. It wasn't as if the Liberal Party suddenly realised between February and now, in June, that there were difficult financial circumstances. So, to come in here and pretend that they are now going to support this measure as an economic measure but deny the health impact that this measure can have, I think is really taking it a little bit too far. And I must say, I commented to the parliamentary secretary speaking here that the member for Dickson's speech was very much like the Fonz in Happy Days, absolutely unable to say that he was wrong and that it was now the right thing to come in and support this measure.

But, honestly, if for whatever reason he wants to support it, I think it is going to be a much better outcome for the community. I hope that he will be able to carry his coalition members in the Senate, because we do believe that this debate now can be out of the way. The treatment of spirits in a consistent way will have been achieved into the future. 'There was more evidence of disunity and much emotion when four coalition MPs opposed the party line over legislation stopping asylum seekers having to repay their detention costs.'

'It's a bill that takes another step towards closing a dark chapter in our history. This dark chapter is about the incarceration of men, women and children behind razor wire in isolated locations. It is about the imprisonment of innocent people for periods longer than criminals convicted of serious felonies. It is about the demonisation of people fleeing persecution. It is about the denial of psychiatric attention to sick people to whom the government owed a duty of care. It is about conditions in detention centres that traumatised not just the detainees

but it traumatised their guards. It's a chapter about lip sewing and suicide attempts. It is a chapter of harming people fleeing persecution who asked for and were entitled to protection in our country. This chapter is a stark contrast to the openness and compassion

of the one that preceded it. Some members will recall 1976 when our country was faced by the unprecedented challenge of Indochinese boat people.

2,000 of them landed on our shores in a handful of years. Some people proposed that we should put them into detention centres or push the boats back. The Fraser government, supported by the opposition, rejected this. We accepted the Indochinese refugees into our society

and we participated in an international effort which resettled almost 1.5 million people from Indochina across the world with about 130,000 of them coming to Australia. This sense of responsibility and compassion that prompted this was a tribute to the Australian people and to our leaders. History shows that our nation benefited. But just 15 years after the first Indochinese arrived on our shores unannounced, the parliament turned its back on this record of compassion and achievement and a new chapter was opened. This bill terminates the law charging people seeking refuge in Australia the costs of their mandatory detention. The most obvious reason for repealing it is that it's totally failed in its objective. The stated objective of charging people in detention was that asylum seekers should pay for the costs of being detained. I have searched assiduously to find a deterrent objective unfortunately I have not been able to discover one, at least not on the public record. The number of people seeking asylum has resulted in some calling for a return to harsh penalties of the harshness of the policies, which is still there. We have experienced the cruelty and harm

that such policies have caused. We should not contemplate returning to them again, and I will not do so. Mr Speaker, the members of this House are legislators in a 21st century Australia, a civil society, a precious society, a country under the rule of law

which is generally just and equitable. We are also human beings, with good and bad instincts, and we are capable of making good and bad decisions. Our fellow citizens have put us into this place, temporarily, so that we can pursue decent public policy outcomes for our society and legislate decent law. No advanced society should allow on its statutes a law which so degrades and humiliates fellow human beings who are legitimately calling on our protection. We have an obligation to our own and to future generations to support this bill. I will support the bill and I commend it to the House. The coalition opposes the Rudd/Labor government's decision to abolish all detention debts. At this time of surging illegal boat arrivals we believe that all the government policies must send a clear and unambiguous message

that people-smuggling

will not be tolerated in Australia,

nor will people-trafficking. And that the integrity of our migration and humanitarian programs must be a government priority. This is important for purposes of human rights, for the rights of individuals who are suffering right now in camps and places where there is no hope of their ever raising cash or having contacts to buy their way out of these terrible and inhumane conditions. In summary, the coalition considers there are safeguards already in the legislation to ensure that... the um, asylum seekers who do not have the means to pay have their detention debts waived or written off, and over 95% of these asylum seekers with these debts find their debts waived or written off. We support the continuing collection of detention debts owed by convicted illegal foreign fishers and convicted people smugglers. It's also, I repeat, very important

to improve the administration of this detention debt policy if, as the government argues, it is seriously inefficient. However, I repeat, we cannot support the further watering down

of border protection policies and the integrity of our humanitarian refugee programs. The illegal boat arrivals continue to surge in response to Mr Rudd's new regime. We think that is a terrible thing. The people are queue jumpers. And I say they're queue jumpers because every year that the Australian people through the activities of this parliament invite 13,000 refugees to Australia. Now these refugees are people who've left their homeland and have been assessed by the United Nations as being um, genuine refugees and have moved to that locality which is presumed to be the closest that um, exists where they can be safe

and having been assessed by the United Nations they go on the list and offers are made by typically western countries, around the world and on a per capita basis. Australia is one of the most generous I think,

more people per capita of their population are allowed in to Canada and Australia is next. So there is no shortage of compassion, nobody in this debate from this side is saying cut that quota. Closed Captions by CSI *

THEME MUSIC SONG: # But come ye back # When summer's in the meadow # Or when the valley's hushed # And white with snow, # Tis I'll be there in sunshine or in shadow, # I'll simply sleep in peace until

# You come to me. # (Sings) # Louis, Louis # Oh, no # Me gotta go now # I, I, I, I, I, I, I. # MAN: Mervyn Mooney there. Mervyn, you're very welcome to the show.

Let me start by asking you Mervyn - what would you say is the secret of your success? Oh. (Sighs) Now, there's a question. I do anything.

I think that's the secret really. As my mammy always says... "If you're not in it for yourself... ..who are are you in it for? Hah! And you're just back from Las Vegas, America. Las Vegas, indeed. Yep, just back. Where you shared a stage with the great Sinatra.

Dean Martin, and Sammy Davis Junior, of course. But the thing you have to remember about Sammy Davis Jr, he's no higher than, he's no higher than that. You know...I don't even know how he gets around. Lovely man. We're all friends. As...um...friends... Yeah...we're buddies. Denise! Come on. Mervyn, will you sing us another song. (Mumbles incoherently) You've come all this way. It'll be a shame to... let you go without one more song. Oh! Go on, son. Singing for us once again, ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, DENISE! APPLAUSE AND CHEERING Smile. You look fabulous. (Sings) # Some people like to rock # Some people like to roll # But movin' and a groovin's gonna satisfy my soul

# Let's have a party # Ooh, let's have a party

# Oh, send it to the store, let's buy some more # let's have a party tonight # I never kissed a bear # I never kissed a goon # But I can shake a chicken in the middle of the room # Let's have a party

# Ooh... # Mind them boys. I'll meet outside Caesar's in half an hour, out the back. I'll drop you home. You can't blame me because the car broke down. She was never this strict. It's nothing! Let's just see what it is. Last week it's whiskey, this week's it's... gin. Ah, it's for your own good, Paddy.

Go on home before I tell your mammy on you. It's for you! Hello, stranger. Gemma, it's Tony. We've a gig tomorrow night in Ballyborfare. But I'll be home tonight if it kills me. Cross me heart and hope to die. I'll see you when I see you. You will indeed. See you. Bye. Guess what. They have another gig tomorrow. Is he coming home? I doubt it.

# She's got a pad down on 34th and vine... # LOVE POTION NO. 9 CONTINUES

Gemma has lost her marbles. She's letting ladies information free.

Tony is gonna lose a fortune. My ballroom is half empty. Why do you think that is? (Sings) # The meat is on the stove The bread is gettin' hot

# Everybody rock We've got the possum in the pot # Let's have a party

# Send 'em to the store Let's buy some more # Let's have a party tonight. # Are we stopping for chips? Tony? We're off on Thursday. Ballagreen Friday. And Crossing Glen again on Sunday. So we need to get you to bed as soon as you get home. Mervin Mooney, he's great. Chip? Just imagine that. Selling out the same venue for six months. I mean, he doesn't even have to go anywhere. His fans go to him. That's when you know you've made it big time. Tony? Aye. We'll make it big time, don't you worry. Big plans. Hurry up! KNOCKING Are you awake? Did I wake you? What time is it? We stopped for chips. Twice. Night, love. Night. Here. For the wedding fund. There'd be more only I had to get a gasket for the van. And I have Denise a bit extra. She could do with a boost. She did well. They love her up there. And the chips for the lads. So did you miss me? Not as much as you think. You better get some sleep for the drive tomorrow.

It's only four hours. Goodnight. Tony, it's not really a four hour drive tomorrow, is it? It'll only take 3.5 if that gasket holds. (Sighs) The National Song Contest. When we win that, we're in the Eurovision Song Contest. Us getting to Eurovision? We'd have a hit record all over Europe. We'd be rich. And famous. And would we be gigging over there in Europe? Every ballroom from Brussels to Rome. Yeah, but that's if we win it. Why wouldn't you win it? Aren't you the best band in the country? (All agree) Now there's a heat on Monday night. Are you with me? Yeah. Right, Tony. We're on! The road to Luxembourg starts here. (All cheer) TV: Mervin Mooney opened the new maternity wing at St Mary's hospital. Any plans for children of your own, Mervin? My fans are the only family I need. Is there a special lady in your life? I've done my pick. Will she be here or will she be in Vegas? She knows where she is.

He used to be my support.

And he will be again. Vocally speaking, Ricky, he's not a patch on you. I might have an idea. A dance without a band. There's no band? Just a fella playing records. You still get the music, you're just cutting the overheads. If you really want to make it you have to go abroad. Otherwise you're stuck going around in circles. Johnny slept in, we have to pick him up. Don't ever be scared of taking it. Gigging on a Monday now, Tony. There's dedication for you. Actually, we're entering the National Song Contest. Are you now? We right? The best of luck to you, Tony. You won't get out of the heat! We'll win the heat. No, you won't! Don't let them rattle you.

Tony. Frank. Ricky. We're wondering if there's any chance of getting a lift to town. Where are you going? It turns out we're in the same heat as your good selves.

Hop in. Get in the back. Squeeze over there. Lovely. Where's your band? That's the other thing I meant to ask you, you see our lads flicked off and we were wondering if we could borrow your band. We'll have to, lads. (Band protests) Oi! It'll be grand. Thanks, Tony. You hear that, Ricky. We're back in business. The road to Luxembourg starts here. Tony already said that. Did he? Great minds, Tony, huh? Great minds, Frank. Ricky, keep it left, keep it left. I shouldn't be doing this... I'm Ricky Duvall... We'd be on the second song by now. So much for rich and famous. Four heats, I'll get you there. Have you any idea how hard it was to get him out of the house? He's gonna be devastated. Look at him now, all excited. It's all over before it's begun. I think my shoe has broke. The clutch, Ricky. Which one is the clutch? Left! Ricky, go on! (all cheer) Does he know how the brakes work? CRASH! I'm coming. I'm coming. There's no harm done. Not too fast now.

We'll get you a new pair. It's all right. I'll glue them back together. My big break. I'll get you there. You'll be bigger than Mervin Mooney when I'm finished with you. Will we have our own pool? We can't invite Sinatra over if we don't have our own pool, can we? She's out. Let's go. Here, better put that on. KNOCK AT DOOR Don't be thinking. Let me do that. There you go. You're in now and you're dry. We need to get a fry into him, quick. He's dipped. What happened? Better ask Tony. Van broke down. Again? Will you flick on the immersion there, we need to get a hot bath.

I'll do it. You're gonna be all right now. Maybe a cup of cocoa. Are you all right? Yeah. Tony said there's more heats. That's good then. I have something that might cheer you up. I'll show you later. Is there more milk? Did you spell it properly? Both sides. What about the wheels? Good man. Denise. Come on, you're going to love this.

Love what? This is big.

What is it? Watch your step. You're gonna love it. Here we go. Right. You stay there. Don't move. Don't take it off, yeah. You ready? Yes. Right, you can take it off. Ta-dah! We're hitting the big time now. Where did you get the money? Huh? Where did you get the money? She'll double our money when she wins the contest. Where did you get the money? The wedding fund. Gemma.

I'm really sorry. You weren't to know. Tony and his bright ideas. Can I still be bridesmaid? If we can afford a wedding. I was thinking...