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(generated from captions) goodbye. (Matthew Franklin). This program is captioned live. Hello and welcome to State Focus. I'm Peta Burton. morning. Great to have you with us this Mayor of Queanbeyan Frank Pangallo, Joining us on the show today, the after local government. Wallace stop by for a look at life and Snowy River Shire Mayor Richard

up their mayoral robes. Come September, they're both hanging album from "The Andi and George And, we take a sneak peak at the new industry movers and shakers. Band", one of Canberra's big music an exceptional heart and mind for But first, to a man we all know has introduction. rugby, and really needs no chat on State Focus, please welcome He's always got a bit of time for a very own, Laurie Fisher. outgoing Brumbies and Canberra's Good morning to you Laurie. Hi Peta, how are ya? again. I'm doing alright, nice to see you It's great to be here. the show we were talking about 2008 Now listen, last time we had you on the Brumbies for some new players. being a season of new beginnings for chapter for you. But not 2008/2009 brings a new of change and the opportunity for Well certainly it's become a season change is, I guess, refreshing and family. exciting and exciting for the we're in the unknown. The problem at the moment is it's a, We know that we won't be here. and the excitement of that. But it's about exploring options globe and Is it a matter of spinning the closing your eyes and pointing? jobs out there. Ah, it's not as if there's 1001 getting a job in rugby's a lot It's a very small market and, right time. about timing, right place at the around in the next few weeks and So it's a matter of having a look that's appropriate, hoping that there's something you know, rears it's head. @ that What would you like to do? show together. (LAUGHS) I was thinking about doing a fishing taken a few, not enough carp out of Well I do love my fishing and I've the lake, but a few. look, I want to coach rugby. (LAUGHS) Certainly enjoy that, but doing it. It's certainly a passion, I love right opportunities. And it's about looking for the family would like to go to a place So, preferably, you know, the and that you can dangle a line and where the weather's not too cold those sorts of things. you're nose and take and In the end, you tend to just follow community opportunity and you know, the rugby worldwide's a wonderful community. enjoy ourselves for sure. So where ever we end up, we'll the Brumbies? So how do you feel about leaving disappointed not in the fact that Look I feel a little bit haven't achieved what we would like I'm moving on but we probably thought we were gonna achieve over to have achieved and what we the last three or four years. Ah, and there are a number of That's the disappointing thing that, involved in that and primarily, you circumstances that have been injury rate over know we've had a fairly extensive the past four years. We haven't had a lot of luck there. game forward. We're happy that we've taken our that we haven't been able to build But I guess it's disappointment Brumbies coaches. on the success of the previous training day with the boys? Can you remember you're first Oh, most certainly yeah. Look. Were you nervous? Well, nervous as head coach, yeah. Were they? (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS) Yeah probably. forwards coach prior to that. Well I'd been them for two years as stepping in from an environment So like, it wasn't as if I was just there was that certainly that where I didn't know them at all, so the systems and the people. familiarity and understanding of So it wasn't too daunting at all. exciting, But it, like every day's been it's that sort of environment. the good looking PE teacher slash Now look your career started out as, science teacher. this elite position? Did you dream big then of being in rugby wasn't professional so, it When I first started teaching, went professional in 96, the only went so in 1996 and when it change rapidly so for me it was landscape of Rugby started to that? love my teaching, or do I stay in then for five or six years so, it I'd been coaching in university bubbling along, you either jump was that time when things are that your not involved you fall ship and get on board or each day decision, I'd moved onto the AIS further behind, so sort of made the love my rugby, there's professional but made the decision, listen I opportunities, I want to get on opportunities, there's worldwide to jump into professional rugby and board, made the decision in 1999, eight years. it's been fantastic for me over Never looked back. part of the job? How tough, or what is the toughest out selection. Aw, look, probably week in, week in your squad and only 15 are going If you've got, let's say 32 players disappointed people every week. to start, so you've got Personally? How do you cope with that? it hard. Well in the end, initially I found little tasty morsal to hold on to, You're trying to give people a in the end you've just got to be something to take them forward, but absolutely honest. nice words to look after there I think if you try and cater up in feelings it just doesn't work. decision, be honest, tell them, You just in the end need to make a and find their way back in and just find a way that they can improve leave it at that. great club, great players, great The Brumbies are a great team, culture, great fan base. add? What do you believe Andy Friend will is fantastic for a start. Well he's a Canberran which I think Grammar and Did his schooling through Canberra spent all his years here. Canberra and the So he'll have a real feel for tightness of the community. for their sporting teams, so... The passion within the community But you've set that up. that's fantastic when you just pop Yeah, well that's right and I think and people feel as though they can down to the shops around the street bit of advice or say, you know, G'day or give you a pat on the back or whatever. @ bi (LAUGHS) about it. I mean, that's the wonderful part experience around the world now. Now Andy's had really good rugby Waratahs, sometime in Japan, some You know, some time with the time with Harlequins in the UK. experience, so what he'll bring is So a really diverse rugby rugby team I think. some really good things to the Some different ideas and he'll challenge the current, you know, players to take the game, perhaps in a slightly different direction and he'll understand the passion within the community. The desire for the team to do well, so he'll have a really good feel for things. I imagine you would only wish for that to transfer. Oh, listen, I guess since the last, you know, six to eight weeks, my real ambition is to leave the team and the organisation in the best possible condition. So and I think, again whilst rugby wise we've probably been a little bit disappointed, I think in terms of where we are in terms of our culture, our leadership, our feeling within the group, our desire for guys to be there, our work ethic. All those things I think are... And they want to be there too. Absolutely. It works both ways. Our recruitment in working well. We've been able to recruit some very good players and some good young players, so I think fundamentally we're leaving an organisation in a team, in a really healthy state and I think if there's an ounce of luck, obviously have some good ideas on where to take the team, that it's not a rebuilding process, it's about just some little tinkering, finding some ways forward, an ounce of luck which you need, a bounce of the ball, and I think good things are ahead for the team. Well it is a pleasure as always having you on. We will miss you. We might just have to come to you. (LAUGHS) Ah well I'm sure I'll be contactable, so Ah... (LAUGHS) Okay. So any time. Now listen, we've got to think about that fishing show okay? It is. I've got hone my skills. So I understand that you've caught some recently so I'll be looking for some advice. (LAUGHS) Okay. Laurie thanks again for your time. It's a pleasure. Thanks. And, coming up next on the show, what's ahead for two other men in top jobs. The Mayor of Queanbeyan and the Snowy River Shire Mayor are ready to make a move. That's next on State Focus. You're watching State Focus. Come September when the New South Wales local elections take place, our next two guests will be hanging up their robes as mayor. Frank Pangallo has lead the way for Queanbeyan for 17 years and in that time has seen quite a few changes to the border city. Richard Wallace, who's been mayor of the Snowy River Shire is also ready to hand over the top job after almost a decade. And they're with us now. Gentleman good morning to you. Good morning how are you? Good morning Peta. I'm doing alright, now my first question is to both of you, Richard take it away, what are you gonna do with all this free time? Oh, well I've got a farm up there and also a couple of young children and I haven't dedicated much time to them, a lot of the time you can't even go to Saturday to watch them play sport etc.. so I just want to take things a little bit easy and get away from the dreaded mobile.. @ (LAUGHS) ... and just kick back. Maybe in time, in the future I might do something else and even come back to Council. But I just want a break. I'm exhausted. Sounds good to me. Quiet, be it, perhaps as well. (LAUGHS) That'd be lovely. Now Frank, what are you up to? You've got another ten years in you you reckon. Well I think I have, I have, I have. Health permitting, I'll certainly continue playing some role in public life. In fact I've announced quite recently that I will be nominating for the seat of Molonglo in Canberra at the forth coming legislative assembly elections. And how do you think you'll go? Well I don't know. It's going to be a battle. You know, as an independent, it's going to be a hard fight, but I'll certainly put all my energy into it and hopefully the people of represent their interests. Now let's just talk about, way back in the day, can you remember the first day on the job Richard? And why you actually wanted to become mayor? Did you want to change the world? world. There was a few things in the Ah, planning section of our shire. I wanted to change which was brought on by the state government. And we did get a little bit there in the rural LEP for our shire. amount of hectares, I did achieve that but it certainly, I didn't achieve all of what I could. frustrating things of being a councillor. Really it's just another sphere of state government and to me local government hasn't got enough say over the local issues and it's getting worse. Do you share the same sentiment? Yes, look, local government is quite frustrating. I remember when I was first elected mayor in 1991, I just wanted to try and speed up the planning process, assist people in getting through all the red tape that goes with local government. And you know, it can be terribly frustrating, I think I've made some in roads into doing that. But it is still a long way to go before I would be happy with it. What about the frustrations of managing a border city though? frustrations being right on the doorstep of Canberra with the additional traffic problems and there are also a lot of benefits of course, Queanbeyan people have enjoyed health and educational facilities across the boarder. So it hasn't all been bad, in fact it's been probably more positive than it has been negative. What would you say would be your proudest moment in office Richard? Well probably my proudest moment, is nothing directly related to the shire itself, but I think being part of the campaign to stop the privatisation of the snowy hydro. I think that was one of the greatest victories because it was a long battle and at times a very spiteful. We had to lobby a lot. There was a hell of a lot of media interest and , you know, the passion, it was the most passion I'd ever seen in the people in our area and may I say not even in our area. I had phone calls as far away as Perth. or not, RE. the issue. So Ah. Did you take that on board personally? lost my home under the waters of lake Jindabyne. knowing that I did something for the country. being sold to another country. whatever. about the issue. miss most about being in that position and having that history I guess. I've been in Queanbeyan for over fifty years and I'll miss the I've made. You know, being able to represent the people, dealing with their problems and hopefully being able to address some of those issues. So I'll certainly miss that. But, if I'm successful in Canberra, I mean I will be living in Narrabundah, in fact I'll be moving there very shortly, I won't be too far away and certainly, my friends that I've made along the way won't ever be forgotten. Have you already started making your list of what you plan to change? (LAUGHS) What's number one? It's a bit early. Number one is to get out there and meet the people listen to their concerns. the issues and I have been following very closely what happens in the region for quite a number of years but obviously I need to speak to the community to listen to what their concerns and as a result of that, I will form opinions and closer to the election. But it will be a massive task. What's one thing that you would expect on the top of their agenda when they come in to office? I guess on their agenda would be trying to continue serving their community without rocking the boat too much. Is there one issue or one area that you think they need to... the road network and the very heavy traffic that's going through our central business area. I think that would probably be one of the major issues I think that Richard what do you think should be on top of the agenda? By far, our biggest issue is the financial situation, along with most other small country councils not only in New South Wales but throughout Australia. We just have to watch it with insurances going up from 60,000 in '03 to well over 420 this year. The way the price of fuel is, you know, where 6 1/2 thousand kilometre shire, that's a great in cost on our finances. Is just fuel. It's a really big issue and as I say, the main thing is just the financial security of our shire In a word do you, would you find it hard to walk past the main door and place? It will be hard. Particularly on Wednesday nights when the meetings are on as to what of my system. Richard do you think it's going to be hard to not walk in? Yes it probably will be but we've got the football semi finals on at that time. (LAUGHS) I'm sure I can get involved in something like that. Who do you go for? St George. Illawarra. I'm a soccer follower. (LAUGHS) Gentlemen we'll have to leave it there. I wish you all the very best with whatever comes in September or post September 13. Thanks very much for your time. Thank you. Thanks Peta. You're very welcome. Well time for a quick break now, but coming up next we meet the two Canberra-based musical minds that started "The Andi and George Band". They're next on State Focus. Well, I'm here to tell you to eat more. We all know that fruit and vegies are an important part of healthy eating. They're packed full of vitamins and minerals, and healthy eating can help protect against heart disease, lowers your risk of cancer, diabetes and helps maintain a healthy weight. and soon you'll be looking as good as me. Welcome back to State Focus. "The Andi and George Band" is made up of 15 masterful musicians capable of creating any beat you're into, whether it's soul, folk, funk, reggae, blues or rock. The Canberra-based group has a new album out called "Sun and Moon" with everything on it from congos to cellos. Please welcome the founding members of the band, Andi Kirwin and George Bishop. Good morning to you both. Good morning Peta. Good morning. How are you this fine Sunday morning? Yeah. Good thanks. Pretty good. Pretty chilled. Now listen this all started this wonderful partnership of yours, Andi, you must tell us over breakfast some fried eggs I believe. Oh, that's, that's the song that inspired me to start writing music. A song about fried eggs. Oh really? But, yeah, I met George just over two years ago at the Front Cafe in Lyneham. tw And what was that experience like George? Yeah, it was great meeting Andi because I just rolled up there out the Front, you know the Front cafe in Lyneham? I do. Yeah, just went there to see a concert and I'd just come from this art opening at Gorman House and just rolled there and had a puncture on me tyre and just walked and these girls passed me on a bike. There was two dinking each other, one Andi and Corrina, a friend and they were just both on this one bike and they just treddled past. Yep. And Andi just goes at the cafe, yeah, have some pita bread, you know those Turkish pizza's that they have at the Lyneham shops? Yeah, as you do. (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS) Have some food this will fix your puncture. Yeah! I remember seeing George and just going, oh my God, who is that man and I'd never seen anyone that looked like you before and I was like, I have to meet him and so I just asked you what your name was and where you were from. Yeah, but then I started talking to you about Fiji, oh I met this Fijian princess. Yeah and then we had a Kava party. Oh. (LAUGHS) Okay. So it's kinda like, I don't know, the brother/sister, husband/wife type relationship? Or? Yeah, it's more like we're brother and sister. Beautiful. Our mothers...Ah. From different parts of the planet. We're like little kids, I think. Yeah. So do you get on well? Yeah. Are there brother sister moments? So those testing moments though when you just want to ring each others neck? (LAUGHS) I don't know. I was thinking about this the other day, like, what I wanted to do with my life before I met George was way different than what I'm doing now. Well what that? Well I finished school and then I was at law school. And then I just saw the future as being very orderly and secure and dry. Like, because I knew I could sing from school, going to school in Victoria and now, like, it's just so colourful and I don't do law anymore. I just do music with George and I'm glad that I met George. (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS) Yeah. So you threw, you traded in the uni, both of you were at university. Yeah, I did some university, that's how I came to be in Canberra. I came here to do primary education. Studying that. Was it hard decision to give up the uni degrees though? Well, my marks kind of made it up for me. (LAUGHS) I started making music and doing less study. (LAUGHS) finish my degree and was sort of still in that way of thinking that yeah, I should get a degree, then I'll be able to get a job, then I'll be able to work and take care of myself. So is it paying off for you both though, you know, if it comes out of your own pockets, you know, this 36 seater bus that you've bought to go across the country, congratulations on the new addition. Yeah. Oh thanks Peta. You know the second albums, Sun and Moon, so is it paying off and is it hard work? It doesn't feel like work really that much. I just am doing what I like to do. It's for myself, it's for my friends, but it's not for any big business man making money off me or anything. It feels like. It's different from work. Like it's just, what I'd do and some people give us money for it and others don't. And we do it for charity and yeah, we've had to sort of learn about business a little bit. I was gonna say. Who whose the business mind of the two of you? Well there's like, some big expenses like to buy the bus which was, we bought of Keirs which is a bus company here in Canberra and that cost nine... Who gets to drive the bus? George, Will, we got a few bus drivers that will come with us on tour. But yeah, there were a few big expenses that we had to put in as a band, so a lot of people don't know but our band usually just plays for free and then we put all the money together. What about the new album though? You did that, you mixed it and mastered it in a month. Yeah. Who does that?! (LAUGHS) Graham Thompson. Graham's our man, he's like, with the first professional CD we released, the Andi and George Band, it was kind of like, his idea saying - hey you should record these songs and we were like - okay, who should we do it with and he's like - Sam King, my friend. makes it happen which is cool. We're gonna hear one of the songs in just a moment. But can you take us back to way, way, way back when it all started for you. Your very first song that you wrote, this earth. Can we have a bit of a taste, a line or two right now? Yeah. Take it away. Well I wrote this song 'cos I thought that when you write music it has to be about nature. Yeah. So I just wrote this, it was a bit funny. @ So I just wrote this, it Give us a whirl of this earth. Just a line or two. (SINGS) Remember those days when you were young, your grandmother used to sing you this song. Used to sing bout the way things used to be. But lately, her smiles turned down to the barren ground, dried up river where the water's found. She cries in the hope that it will help, how's a woman gonna make it rain? That's beautiful! (LAUGHS AND CLAPS) Usually we both play. That's wonderful. I love the whistling at the start. You've got that mastered down to a tee. Yeah it took us a while. It's hard to whistle and smile. You can't do it. @ It's hard to whist (LAUGHS) Guys look, we'll have to leave it there. Thank you so much for joining us this morning. Looking forward to hearing a bit more of Sun and Moon in just a moment, you're gonna sing the hangover song, which is very appropriate for a Sunday morning. Yeah. (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS) Not for us though. We'll have to leave it there. Thanks guys. Well that's the show for this week. Thanks for your company again. And, to get into the groove this Sunday morning, here's a bit more from Andi and George with "The Hangover Song". Have a great day, and we'll see you next week on State Focus. Bye for now. Well I'm over, this headache feeling Well I'm over, this head Whoa. It's morning. Whoa. Well I'm over. This terrible feeling. Got grey rings around my eyes, I stare at the face of the clock, well it's telling me the time is ten and I know that I'll be late again. Baby I should quit doing those things I got to. Oh stay in bed and rest my hangover. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Well I'm over, this headache feeling. Whoa. Hangover. Whoa. This morning. Well I'm over this head ache Whoa. Live captions by Southern Cross Ten, Canberra. We apologise for the temporary loss of captions. Normal service will resume as soon as possible.