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(generated from captions) undertaken beginning with the

Marriott Hotel bombing of

2003. To those discuss attacks in Jakarta and Australia's role

in Afghanistan we're joined by

the Deputy Leader of the

Opposition Julie Bishop. Good

morning. Good morning. The

former dense department head of

strat gentleman Allan Behm said

we have to anticipate many more

deaths coming out of Afghanistan. Should our

military strategy there be

changeed? We've adapted our

strategy in line with the strategy in line with the

Obama's administration strategy

and that is a surge, focusing

on the areas where the Taliban

have become resurgent and

ensuring the leadership is

hunted down and destroyed. But

it's also a two pronged

strategy to win the hearts and

minds of the local people.

There is a lot of

reconstruction work going on

support the local army, police

and the local government and

the democratic electoral the democratic electoral process. That two pronged

strategy has been in place since the beginning of this

year and it must be given an

opportunity to work. However we can't underestimate how

terribly dangerous the work in

Afghanistan is and how well

equipped and e sourced the

Taliban are. They're not just

local Afghanis. In fact, it

seems that most of the Taliban

are now extremists coming are now extremists coming in

through the Pakistani

border For how long will the

opposition extend its support

for the mission in

Afghanistan? Obviously we have

and stage government in to seek to establish a strong

Afghanistan. There are elections coming up in August.

That will be a very difficult

time. Clearly the Taliban and

their supporters will try to

disrupt the democratic process. They want people to have the

government. But right to choose their

government. But first we must

ensure that the Afghan National

Army and the security forces

are able to take care of their

own security, and stabilise the

institutions within Afghanistan. We can't withdraw

until such time as the Afghan

National Army has been

established. There are about

80,000 troops now, but they

need to be better equipped,

that's what better trained and mentored and

that's what the Australian

troops are doing. More than

that, analysts such as Hugh

White are saying it's not going

to take to time, it's actually

impossible, it's an unwinnable

war. Our analyst this morning

said if anyone believes the

outcome of our presence there

will be a democratic

Afghanistan, they're mistaken.

Your view? Others are more optimistic. You are one of

those? Yes, I am. There is a

will on the part of

will on the part of the Afghani

people to establish peace,

stability, and fact that 80,000 Afghanis have joined the security forces or another

80,000 have joined the police

gives some indication that the

Afghanis are prepared to take responsibility for the safety

and security of their own

people. It will be a very

difficult transition, but we

can't walk away from

Afghanistan as people have done

in the past. How do you measure

that strong and stable

government when it's got to

that stage when it is possible

to withdraw? Well, first we

have to ensure the Taliban

leadership has been destroyed

and that's what some of our

Special Forces are doing in

conjunction with the NATO

forces. That did occur after

September 11 when we went into

Afghanistan. We did destroy Afghanistan. We did destroy the

Taliban. But it came back. And

that's what is being targeted

now. But then hand in hand with

that military effort there must be the civil effort. Australian

troops are working hard on

reconstruction, on mentoring,

and that - the side of the

effort that is restoring peace,

when I say restoring, establishing peace in achlth

but we can't walk away but we can't walk away because

Afghanistan cannot again become the headquarters for global

terrorism. That does bring us

to Jakarta. Many of the

extremist terrorist groups

trained in camps in

Afghanistan. Talking about

Jakarta, do you believe that Indonesian intelligence and

security officials there let

its own country down and let

Australia down? I think

Indonesia has done a remarkable

job in recent years in hunting down and

down and arrest ing the

terrorist leadership. We have

had public trials. They have

convicted these terrorists in a

number of instances. They've

imposed and carried out the

death penalty. But Noorudin

Mohammad Top is a key figure

and they haven't got him. I'm very supportive of the

Australian Government's

announcement today that we will

do all we can to assist the

Indonesian Government in trying to track down these terrorists to track down these terrorists

and the leadership of these

dreadful, dreadful attacks. The

Indonesian Government is doing

as much as it can. Of course we

can do more, and I support the government's offers of

assistance. We have worked very

well in the past with

Indonesian authorities after

Bali. Sadly, Australian

authorities now have a great

deal of expertise in these

areas of bomb attacks. The areas of bomb attacks. The more

we can do to assist the

President Yudhoyono is Indonesians the better. I

committed to ensuring Indonesia

can stamp out of this type of

terrorism but you cannot

guarantee a risk-free

environment. The Australian

travel advisory for example

couldn't be more explicit, that

there are likely to be

terrorist attacks on westerners if you travel to

Indonesia. Turning to local

politics, specifically on what

analysis is the opposition

relying in making its call as

your leader did over the

weekend for the government's

$80 billion stimulus package to

be slowed down. What forecast

are you relying on in arguing

that'd be a good thing to do?

I understand these were

comments that Joe Hockey has

made because the government is

looking to realign its

forecasts. The government had a


number of forecasts in place that indicated what growth

would be, what employment

figures would be. Now it's

seeking to change them. What

we're saying is that a great

deal of the stimulus package

has been wasted. For example,

we're very critical of the $14

billion on schools funding. We

support schools funding. In

fact the Howard Government was

the first Federal Government to

directly fund capital in

government schools. But we government schools. But we

think that by providing every

school with a kit form memorial

hall is not the best spend of

public infrastructure money. In

fact it's a very poor-quality

spend. I just want to jump in

there. We've heard repeatedly

how critical you are of the

package but at what point is

the opposition going to

acknowledge that Australia is

now the only western economy to

avoid a technical recession? At

some point are you going toe have

have to say it worked? It's

actually worked? Australia had

the third biggest stimulus

package in the world in the

equivalent countries. So it's

worked? No. Yet we had started off with the best financial

position of every kun treech.

We're now burdend with a $315

billion debt. In other words

the government overreached. It

went too far. The debt is going

went too far. The debt is going

to be so burdensome on future

generations ... hai. That will

be quickly paid off when the

country returns to a positive

economy That can't be paid off

quickory. You have to find

something like 10, --

15 $, $20 billion to pay the

interest on a that kind of debt. That's money that would be better

be better spent on

infrastructure, roads, port, productive infrastructure.

That's our criticism. There's

no particular analysis you rely

on in order to call for the

package to be slowed on? Joe

Hockey has access to a great

deal of an analysis that I

don't necessarily have in

Foreign Affairs but it is

self-evident that the

government has spent an

enormous amount of money

enormous amount of money on

spending measures that are not

productive. Handing out $900

cheques, as nice it might be to

receive it, does nothing to

boost productivity in the

community. Julie Bishop good to