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(generated from captions) Territory Stateline, I'm Hello, and welcome to

Melinda James. Coming up - the

campaign for Lingiari, how will

the Indigenous intervention

effect the vote? A Darwin

author gets her book on the

Balibo Five made into a

movie. At any rate we look like

being the last people left in

the town. There's an enormous

body of new evidence there.

There's hope that we may have

an honest result and an attempt

to really bring to justice the

perpetrators of what was basically an international

crime. It's been a strange

topsy-turvy kind of week on the

campaign trail. John Howard

accuses Kevin Rudd of policy

theft. The Labor leader says

the Government has no positive

plan of its own. And the polls

suggest all the hot air is

having no impact at all on the

voters. But as both men slug

it out they've been let down

badly by senior figures in

their respective teams. Tony

Abbott through the Government

off message for 48 hours and in

Labor ranks Peter Garrett began

the week badly and finished it

even worse. Political Editor,

Michael Brissenden

reports. It's OK. You need all

the help you can get. Yes, once

again the Prime Minister's

morning walk provides a pointer

for the daily narrative. At

the halfway point the latest

poll shows three weeks of

intense political activity has

failed to move the voters one

way or the other. Labor still

has a 10-point lead. Right now

John Howard does need all the

help he can get but this week

he hasn't been getting much

from his own side. It's the

long time since I've been on

the front page of every

newspaper. So, you're enjoying

it? If publicity is a drug,

I've had an overdose. The

strategy was completely Government's third week

derailed by Tony Abbott. Early

on it looked good. Labor

appeared confused and rattled

by its consistencies on Kyoto,

a key part of the climate

change message and an area

considered one of the strongest

points of differentiation.

Week three was dominated by

health and for all the wrong

reasons, by the Health Minister

himself. Forced to apologise

to high-profile asbestos victim

Bernie Banton he then failed to

show up on time for his one

campaign debate at the National

Press Club and was later caught

by the cameras swearing at his

opponent. A day later, it was

still diverting the

Government's message. That's

not the sort of language I use,

but I'm not going to adopt a

holier than thou attitude.

Tony has a bad day, he's

apologised let's move on, let's

not waste time on that. But for

much of the week the Prime

Minister didn't move on. He

spent almost all of it in

Melbourne campaigning in

Liberal-held seats like La

Trobe and McEwen both of which

the Government holds by around

6% and reports began to surface

there was growing internal

Liberal Party anxiety about the

state of the campaign. Some

believe the messages have been

confused and the Prime Minister was spending too much time

defending his record. He and

his ministers have all now

started to change the

message. What people want to

hear from me is what I have to

say about their future. Kevin

Rudd on the one hand spent the

week campaigning in

Liberal-held seats in

Queensland and NSW. Some with

margins of almost 10%.

Yesterday, he dragged the media

pack through four in a day. I

say there is a mood for change

because people are fed up with

WorkChoices. He's been saying

that for months but there is

only three weeks to go and the

d fferi g campa gn ocus of th differing campaign focus of the

differing campaign focus of the

two sides does tell a story.

The other dominant feature of

the campaign so far has been

the calls of "me-too" on

policy. The Government has put

out a helpful list of 36 policy

areas it claims Labor has

copied under Kevin Rudd. The

latest came this week when the

Labor leader announced he would

adopt the Government's $4

billion plan for older

Australians and add on a few

extras. This strategy is

clearly a frustration for the Government and, of course, a

line of attack. The Labor Party

is, they are really setting a

world record in being copy

cats, but there are two things

they can't copy. They can't

copy our experience and they

can't copy our capacity to

manage the Australian economy.

But I think it's fair to say in

this election campaign that the

things that Mr Rudd doesn't

copy from us are the things the

unions won't let him copy from

us. In relation to just about

everything else he's tried to

minimise the difference. It's

not because he believes it. I

seem to remember a week and a

half or so ago I seem to

remember Mr Howard saying my

plan would wreck the country

and now he says my plans are no

different to his. He needs to

make his mind up. His comments

this morning very much reflect

a Prime Minister who's lost

touch, a Prime Minister who's

locked in all politics, a Prime

Minister who's locked in the

past without a positive plan of

his own for the nation's

future. Mr Rudd nominates

climate change, WorkChoices,

the housing affordability

crisis, education and health as

key areas of policy difference.

But in those areas of agreement

the policy me toos, it maybe

that not every Labor

frontbencher shares the

commitment. Peter Garrett's

also had a loose tongue during

a conversation with radio

chairman's lounge at Melbourne presenter Steve Price in the

Airport this morning. I had a copy of the 'Herald Sun'

newspaper with me which today

has a front page "me-too" story

and I said to Peter Garrett,

"Well, looks like Peter it's

turning into the the "me-too"

election campaign?" He turned

and looked at me and said,

"Don't worry, when we get in

we'll change all that". What he

meant is if Labor get elected

they'll change what they

promised on tax, on pensioners,

on Kyoto. This me-too-ism is

just a pretence. Peter Garrett

has let the cat out of the bag

and once they get in they'll

just change it all. For his

part Peter Garrett says his

conversation was a brief and a

jocular one, a version backed

by the third man present at the

time, Channel Nine identity,

Richard Wilkins. Peter had an

off the cuff human rouse

response, which I think was

just a throw-away line and

which was intended as a

joke. It wasn't a good one. In

an election campaign small slips like this can be

disastrous. This is the second

big gaffe this week for Mr

Garrett. He may have done his

party some damage but he's

probably hurt himself a lot

more. Michael Brissenden

reporting there. The Northern

Territory seat of Lingiari is

the second largest in the

country stretching from the

Central Australian desert to

the tropical top end and out to

Christmas Island. More than

40% of voters in the are

Indigenous, the highest

proportion in Australia. The

bush seat has been held by

Labor since its inception in

2001. But the vote has a

different dimension this time

around because of the

Commonwealth's Indigenous

intervention. Danielle Parry

hit the campaign trail with

some of the candidates this

week as they try to reach

voters in some of the most

remote places in Australia.

This is Kalkaringi in the

Victoria River district. It's

cattle country and it was here

41 years ago that Vincent

Lingiari led Aboriginal

stockmen in the Wave Hill

walkoff, protesting over pay

and conditions. Their fight

culminated in a land grant by

Gough Whitlam's Government in

1975. I hand to you these

deeds... Kalkaringi and

neighbouring Dagaragu are Labor

heartland, but the ALP's

support for the Federal

Government's Indigenous

intervention has left some of

Vincent Lingiari's descendants

questioning their

allegiance. I've always been a

Labor supporter, but now I'm

thinking seriously which way to

go, but what have we fought

for? Why are we voting for

people that are not supporting

us? Labor's Warren Snowdon has

represented the people of this

region for the best part of 20

years, travelling millions of

kilometres to meet his

constituents. What can you

really do, hey? With the

intervention coming in and all that. There's no denying the

intervention is on voters'

minds but Warren Snowdon

believes it's a diversion. This

election is not about the

intervention. This election is about getting rid of John Howard and putting in a leader

with vision and a party with

vision. The intervention

happens to be a program which

the Government's put in place

which we largely support. The

there are elements we don't

support and we highlighted

those in the Parliament. Warren

Snowdon voted for the intervention legislation,

despite what he says were grave

concerns. But Labor has

pledged to keep the CDEP

employment scheme and retain

the permit system for access to

communities,. The C LP

candidate for Lingiari Adam

Giles says Labor's trying to

have it both ways, but voters

have clear choice. The intervention is the referendum

at the federal election for

Lingiari. That's what the

election will be decided on.

Kevin Rudd needs to say this is

either Rudd's rollback or he's

going to support it. If he is,

he needs to pull his party in

line. Adam Giles is an

Aboriginal man who grew up in

the NSW Blue Mountains and

moved to Alice Springs from

Canberra to work as a public

servant. If you've got anything

you might want to talk about,

we've got an office next to the

cinema. He's spent the past

week meeting and greeting

voters in Katherine where he

believes the intervention's

focus on alcohol and law and

order issues is popular. You

can walk down the street and

people will say there are less

people drunk on the streets and less instances of violence on

the street. These are just

people in the street. At more

than 1.3 million square

kilometres, Lingiari is the

second largest electorate in

Australia. Stretching from the

deserts of Central Australia to

the tropical Top End, Lingiari

has the highest Aboriginal

population and the lowest

average age of any electorate

in the country. It is by far

and away the most diverse

community in Australia. It has

got some of the richest people

and some of the poorest people.

It's got some of the best

country and some of the worst

country. It's got some of the

most desolate country in

Australia and got the wettest

country in Australia. So it's

an extremely diverse

electorate. Attitudes to Mal

Brough's intervention across

the vast seat are as varied as

the landscapes. If anyone

clears up... Labor's position

on the intervention was muddied

last week when the Territory

Government minister Marion

Scrymgour made national

headlines with her Charles

Perkins oration in Sydney. This

was Howard's rabbit out of the

hat, the black kids''Tampa'.

The Labor Party has been

playing a double game on the Northern Territory

intervention. They've been

saying, their headline response

is, "Oh, we agree with Mr

Howard and Mr Brough" , their

on the ground response is to

spread fear and loathing. The

issue has created a Top End

dwiet. It's not about taking

kids away. Marion Scrymgour

represents the Top End seat of

Arafura, which includes the

community of Maningrida which

is involved in a High Court

challenge to the intervention.

But her Central Australian

colleague Alison Anderson says

her own constituents are

wholeheartedly behind the

intervention. I go back to my

communities and I sleep on the

verandahs of these people's

houses and I sleep in the

loungerooms of these people's

houses and I actually speak to

these people in their first

language, so I think I'm best

positioned to relay the message

of these people. About 150

people turned out for an

intervention forum last night

in Darwin. Speakers from

across the Territory queued up

to voice their concerns. This

time of the year you burn off

the bushfire and it gets going

and does not know when to stop.

And that's exactly what is

taking place today with the

intervention that is happening.

And our heart is

bleeding. Maurie Ryan from

Dagaragu Council is so disappointed in Warren

Snowdon's performance that he's

running as an Independent. I've

had enough and all I'm saying

is I'm standing against one of

these blokes who signed. I'm

Aboriginal, I live in Lingiari,

named after my grandfather. The

atmosphere at the meeting was

strongly against the

intervention, but the C LP

believes communities are

gradually overcoming their fear

of the unknown. Now we started

down south and we're moving

forward and maybe the people

down south have seen the

benefits slightly more than

people up north but the

intervention is moving right

across the Territory at a

fairly rapid speed. The people

in communities such as Finke,

Tijikala, Santa Teresa, are

reaping the benefits of having

real jobs. In Top End

communities like Yarralin the

full force of the changes is

yet to be felt and the

demountables for staff have

only just arrived. The local

clinic is preparing to conduct

long-awaited health checks. On

7 November, the child health

Government team will be here to

conduct the child health

checks. I believe it will be a

team of something like three

nurses and a doctor who will be

coming to the community. Despite the focus on

the intervention and reductions

in Labor ranks, analysts say

the sitting member's profile

should get him over the

line. Much of the vote in

Lingiari is collected by remote

polling booths, for that reason

the Labor sitting member has a

huge advantage because he is

much better known to the

Indigenous communities because

he's represented the district

for many years. Danielle Parry

with that report and mobile

polling for Lingiari starts on

12 November. The Federal

Government has been in discussions with the Larrakia

Development Corporation about

plans to turn Darwin's Bagot

community into another city

suburb. The Federal intervention has effectively

given the Commonwealth control

over Bagot's future. Residents

say they want better services

but they don't want to

celebrate. The Indigenous

Affairs Minister on the other

hand says if the coalition is

re-elected, Bagot will become a

mainstream residential mainstream r sid ntial

development. The Bagot

community has been around a lot

longer than most Darwin

suburbs. It was set up in 1938

to accommodate the Aboriginal

population. It now has about

400 Indigenous residents, most

are long-term, but there's also

a large transient population.

Despite several attempts to

shut it down over the years,

it's survived. But the Federal

Government says Bagot needs to

change. Right now what we need

to do is to renew Bagot. The

Indigenous Affairs Minister Mal

Brough visited and community

last weekend and vowed to turn

Bagot into a so-called normal

suburb if the coalition is

re-elected. The Bagot community

is part of Darwin. The Bagot

community must be as safe as

the rest of Darwin . It must

have the same facilities as the

rest of the Darwin, the

children must have the same opportunities. Social problems

like sub-standard housing,

chronic unemployment and

drunkenness are rife. The aim

is to bring Bagot into the

mainstream, but not just yet.

As an Indigenous community, the residents are subject to the

the Federal intervention. The

intervention allows for the

town camps under special

purpose leases to be compulse

ory acquired if required. I

don't believe that will be

necessary here. The fact is

we're not going to allow it to

continue, the place is days

gusting mess quite frankly and

it does need to be cleaned up.

People have a right to live in

decent homes and have decent

services like any other part of

Darwin. The details were scant

on the weekend, but the

so-called normalisation of

Bagot hasn't come out of the

blue. I've been discussing this

issue now for many months with

the people of Bagot and with

the Larrakia Development

Corporation. It's the Federal

Government's hope that Bagot

will one day look like this.

This is Dahlia, a $25 million

residential housing development

in Palmerston, the Larrakia

Development Corporation's

biggest project yet. The

commercial arm of the Larrakia

nation was set up in 2001 to

help the traditional owners of

Darwin develop businesss and

gain meaningful employment.

When the Larrakia Development Corporation got wind of the

Federal Government's plan to

normalise town camps it came up

with a plan, which now has the

support of the Commonwealth and

the Darwin City Council - to

subdivide Bagot into about 200

low-cost lots for first time

owners, giving current

residents first dibs on owning

their own home. I wouldn't sign

off on that. Why is that? I

don't know that the development

corporation. Do you know much

about the Larrakia Development

Corporation? No, I don't and I

don't want them to come in

here. I don't want them to be

involved with Bagot whatsoever.

I would imagine that the Bagot

residents feel very strongly

it's their land and that's

their choice to do what they

want with that land. That has

been the understanding

throughout history that the

land has been preserved for

their use and benefit. Most

Bagot residents are not

Larrakia people but their connection to the community on

the land is deep. In fact

until 1964, Aboriginal people

were required by law to live at

Bagot unless they were exempted

by the director of welfare.

Government started trying to

integrate Aboriginal people

into the wider Darwin community

in the 1950s. By 1950 there

were new changes in policy, by

that stage the assimilation

policy had been brought in and

the idea was that Bagot would

be very much transitional housing, Aboriginal people

would be offered a range of

vocational and educational opportunities that hadn't been

available prior to that.

Aboriginal women were to be

taught how to exist in a

suburban home. Assimilation

wasn't successfulful To move

people away from their

community and their family into

a nuclear family set-up in a

Darwin suburb didn't work for

them. People moved away from

those houses and moved back to

Bagot where they felt much more

comfortable. Two years ago,

Stateline attended a heated

Bagot community meeting. The council owed tens of thousands

of dollars in utility bills and long-standing personal feuds

had reached boiling point. But

council members say things have

improved since then, although

the axing of CDEP earlier this

year has made day-to-day

business difficult. The

council's been told it would

have to surrender its special

purpose lease over the

23-hectare community if Bagot

were to become a suburb. All

we're saying to Mal Brough now

is put your proposal on the

table for us to have a look at.

We'll assess it, we'll get our

legal eagle team to vet it and

him. Residents say they had then we'll get back to

welcome improved living

conditions, but they're

uncertain about the social

changes integration would

bring. What do you mean

integrated? Mixing up with

people outside? No, because we

want to show people that we can

do these things. Not integrating, that will be the

wrong thing. Because they've

been ignored here for so long,

I don't think they do want to

integrate and I think that's

their right now. The CEO of

the Larrakia Development

Corporation says he plans to

meet the Bagot community

council on Monday to discuss

the proposal. It's more than

30 years since five

Australian-based television

reporters were shot dead in

East Timor. Known as the

Balibo Five, their deaths have

been a source of political

intrigue and terrible grief for

their families. Eyewitnesses

say the reporters were killed

by Indonesian soldiers as part

of the initial invasion of East

Timor. Both the Indonesian and Australian governments have been accused of covering up

Darwin-based journalist Jill what happened in Balibo.

Jolliffe has dedicated the past

30 years to exposing the truth

and her book on the subject is

now being made into a film.

The movie comes as a Sydney

coroner prepares to hand down

her findings from the first

independent judicial inquiry

into death of one of the Balibo

Five. It was a very different

and a rather exotic situation

for a Australian journalist

then. East Timor was a great

unknown. There'd been a

revolution in Portugal which

had its echoes there, so there

were these sort of

guerrilla-like soldiers,

long-hard soldiers. Very

different from the soldiers we

knew. And people there

approached us all the time

saying, "We want to be

independent". East Timor, 1975.

It was an exciting place for

young Australian journalists

like Jill Jolliffe, who first

visited East Timor as a

university student. I was

bowled over by the place. So I

came back to Australia, gave up

my course, saved up to go back

and as soon as I got back war

broke out and somebody rang me

up and said, "Well, would you

like to send some stories to

Reuters newsagency" , and I

said, "Well, I suppose I'll

give it a go". After hundreds

of years of colonial rule,

Portugal began withdrawing from

East Timor in 1974. In 1975

the former colony declared its

independence. But that

Months earlier Jill Jolliffe independence was short-lived.

had already witnessed the first

incursions of Indonesian troops

into the territory. Two

Australian-based television

crews were also in East

Timor. At any rate we look like

being the last people left in

the town... Greg Shackleton,

Gary Cunningham and Tony

Stewart from Channel 7, Malcolm

Rennie and Brian Peters from

Channel Nine were all staying

on the border in the town of

Balibo. On October 16, 1975,

all five newsmen died. Despite

denials by the Indonesian

Government, eyewitnesses say

the men were gunned down by

Indonesian soldiers. I was the

person in Dili reporting that

they were missing and then when

the bodies were found and I

felt at the time that well, if

it had been me there my last

thoughts would be, "Gee, I hope

someone reports this, this

story has to be told". Jill

Jolliffe's book 'Cover-Up - The

Inside Story of the Balibo

Five', published in 2001, is

considered by many to be the

most rigourous and most

comprehensive account of what

happened to the Balibo Five.

And now it's being made into a

LaPaglia. You know, I think major film starring Anthony

there's quite a bit of

speculation going on about what

the film's going to say, but I

have faith in them that they

will respect the integrity of

the book. The story's going to

be told through the eyes of

Roger East, a journalist who

went over to find out what

happened to him. Greg

Cunningham's brother Gary was

own of the Balibo Five. In

2003 the families of the

murdered news crews went to Balibo to celebrate the transformation of the house where the men stayed into a

permanent memorial. Relatives

have waited more than 30 years

for the truth to come out.

Their wait to be over later

this month when a Sydney

coroner hands down her findings

about the circumstances of

Brian Peters' death in the

Glebe Coroner's Court. For the

first time you had a lot of

East Timorese eyewitnesses come

up and testify and a whole lot

of ageing Australian ex-spies

also came clean. So there's an

enormous body of new evidence

there and I think there's quite

a bit of hope that we may have

an attempt to really bring to

justice the perpetrators of

what was basically an

international crime. We don't

really hold much credence with

the previous inquiries, they

have been Government

whitewashes. This to me, and I

believe to the rest of the

families, is a free and open

court where people have actually been able to be exempt

from the official secrets act

and told the truth. Greg

Cunningham says he and other

relatives of the Balibo Five

are grateful to Jill Jolliffe

for her relentless and tireless

pursuit of the truth. It's

become her life-long mission I

believe for 32 years and very

doggedly and I think at great

personal sacrifice, both

financial and emotional for her

to have come up with basically

the facts of what's happened to

them and we sort of admire her

enormously for what she's done.

We're also realistic to know

there's not much will on the

Australian Government to

confront the Indonesian

Government on this aspect. I

mean, the people who committed

these atrocities did commit war

crimes. Australian foreign

policy can't be built on sand,

it has to be built on the truth

and this is an important part

of the truth. It's not just

about the journalists, but all

the dealings that went on in

relation to Indonesian and East

Timor and about having a future

healthy relationship built on

honesty.

And that's the program.

We'll leave you with Paul Kelly

who's playing in Darwin tonight

and his song 'Keep on Driving'.

See you next week.

Closed Captions by CSI

CC Tonight, who's laughing

now? Labor says Peter

Garrett's latest gaff was just

a gag. I had a brief jocular conversation with Steve

Price. But the Government says

it's no joke. If Labor gets

elected, they're going to

change what they promised on

tax, on pensioners, on Kyoto.

This me-tooism is just a

pretense.

Good evening. Welcome to

Lateline. I'm Virginia Trioli.

With the Melbourne Cup just

days away, should we be

surprised the political pundits

are getting into the spirit of

things? I'll have a little bet

with you, a very small bet

because I'm not a merchant

banker. I'll bet the next major

me-tooism will be the Prime

Minister copying Kevin Rudd's

commitment to overseas aid. I

think that will be the next me

too and it will be done by John

Howard. But would they place a

bet on John Howard in

Bennelong? A new poll to be

published this weekend says the

odds are shortening on a

victory for Labor's Maxine

McKew. We're join by Liberal

Party insider Michael Kroger

and former Labor Party pollster

cam Rod Cameron. First, the

other headlines - Metropolitan

Police found guilty in the

shooting of an innocent man.

Richard Pratt cops a $36

million fine. And more

do-it-yourself political

commentary from the YouTube generation. Diled you hear the

one about the politician, the

shock jock and the

entertainment reporter? It

sounds like the beginning of a

bad jyk jOek are and for Peter

Garrett it might be. A chance

meeting at an airport has landed Labor's Environment

Minister in a spot of bother,

throwing Kevin Rudd's campaign

off track by stating, "Once we

get in, we'll change it all."

Mr Garrett says it was a

throw-away line but Steve Price

suggests he was saying Labor's

promises will never be

fulfilled. Short memory - Peter

Garrett's loose comments to

journalists have caused a storm

once already this week. Enter

stage left for the encore, the

audience this time Sydney radio

man Steve Price. I said to

Peter Garrett, "Looks like it's

turning into the me too

election campaign." He just

turned and said, "Don't worry,

once we get in we'll change all

that." This was a short and

casual conversation, jocular in

manner. Just a friendly joke

shared at Melbourne airport,

according to Peter Garrett. He

says Steve Price got the wrong

end of the stick. He wasn't

laughing. It wasn't a joke. I

have dozens, if not hundreds of

conversations every day and

there's no doubt about it that

on the basis of this

conversation, I absolutely say

clearly that things would be

better under Labor. If Labor is

elected to govern, there would

be big changes. The only other

person present, Channel 9's

Richard Wilkins, backs Mr

Garrett. Peter had an

off-the-cuff, humorous response

which I think was a throw-away

line intechBeded as a

joke. Either way, it's another

Garrett gaff Kevin Rudd doesn't

need but one John Howard does

and one just at the right

time. You fleeed the help you

can get. John Howard's deputy

was sent out to sink the boot.

This me-tooism is just a

pretense. Peter Garrett has let

the cat out of the bag and once

they etgood in they'll just

change it all. Australians

shouldn't be accepting what

Kevin Rudd says because Garrett

says once they get in they're

going to change it all and you

don't know what your going to

be getting. The Prime Minister

claims he's not bothered by the

persistent imitation tactics

but he is fine-tuning his

attack lines after Labor

marched his $4 billion handouts

for seniors. They're setting

world record in copy cats but

they can't copy our experience

and can't copy our capacity to

manage the Australian economy.

I remember a week and a half

ago Mr Howard saying my plan

for Australia's future would

wreck and country and a week

and a half later he says my

plans are no different to his

plans. The people of Bennelong

may be edging towards a

momentous decision of their own

if the latest poll is correct.