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(generated from captions) THEME MUSIC ? DENI HINES: Water For Chocolate done things her own way. 'Deni Hines has always ? ROCKMELONS: It's Not Over ? DENI HINES: I Like The Way in France and Japan, She's had success that's a little different. where they love music ? MARCIA HINES: Imagination Marcia Hines, But then again, Deni's mum, was hardly the standard model. teenage star of the musical Hair, She'd been the pregnant, and then, Queen of Pop.' Deni, welcome to Talking Heads. Why, thank you, Peter. When you go out on stage, you say, you go into a quiet moment. Take us on stage with you. Tell us about that. It's a please-don't-mess-up moment. Usually...I talk to dead people. trying to mess with me all the time. That's weird. The living are trying to get up all in my mix. I'm yet to meet a dead person that's dead people? My grandmother. So who do you select? Who are the about when I'm singing, I can't tell you what I'm thinking I don't know where. 'cause I'm somewhere - have a quiet moment, I always go to the bathroom, listen, I've got a gig tonight - talk to my relatives and say, and help me not forget the words. if you're not doing anything, come the place that you most love to be. I get the feeling that the stage is I was on a stage from...utero. I was in my mother, on a stage, I see what you mean. so maybe... Oh, you were too. Back in the Hair days. Back in the Hair days. Maybe it's that my father are singers, so, I dunno. and I've inherited it. My mother and Can I say roughly how old you are? don't crack. (LAUGHS) You can tell exactly 'cause black I am 39. I'll be 40 in September. Well, you're getting to... OK, now that we've got that out... (SCOFFS) I need a personal trainer. hairs that I'm not happy about. I don't think so. There's some grey They're in the puff somewhere. Don't see them. Not showing them. what are you doing here? Get out. Random ones. I'm like, Yeah, I know. We all have those. this age thing. I know. (LAUGHS) I don't know about at 40. I'm still as mad as when I was 20, I still play Guitar Hero. than you were? Do you feel musically better be where it's supposed to be. Maybe by 50, the voice will really have a voice which is naturally soul, That's what I had in mind. That you rhythm and blues, even jazz. I hate pop. I'm a soul girl. More so that pop, maybe? Bleurgh! I don't like it. I am a strict soul...pop's dirty. ? ROCKMELONS: Ain't No Sunshine but I'm not pop... But you were. And people say, you're pop, What about the Rockmelons? I don't think I was pop. the biggest rhythm and blues songs. Ain't No Sunshine, probably one of nomination, When it came to my first ARIA for It's Alright, for the one that I won, that nomination category, yet again, when I was put into it's pop or rock? they said, well, do you think Now, there's an R&B category. because pop means popular. I don't consider myself pop pop 'cause I don't get radio play. I'd get played on the radio. I'm not That you don't get radio play. So I'm... Does that bother you? country, but it's alright. I just think that I'm in the wrong sometimes my head gets sore I say to my boyfriend, break it down. I will break it down. bashing up against that wall. I will over the edge. Jump off. OK, so let's put our toes Keeping it straight. Legs up, now. C'mon, c'mon. And go. this planet has taken that leap.' 'Every big, successful person on Ready. Up. Standing straight. 'You have to take a chance Legs up, now. and I think that's what I've done. to succeed in this world, I've done a lot of trapezing. More than highs and lows, but, you know what, I've jumped off some stupid things on my feet each time.' I've landed Forward. Let go. Ow! Boo-yaa. (LAUGHS) half full, rather than half empty. 'I always think of my glass as being to my mother, My grandmother made a call the baby's been born. or Mum called Gran and said, West Indian accent, Gran said, with her strong, And my mum said, Dohnyale. "What's the baby's name?" "Cha! It's too long. My grandmother said, Call her Deni." ? MARCIA HINES: Imagination with my grandmother in Boston, Then I went to America, to live the time, with Daly Wilson Big Band. 'cause Mum was working in Russia at three and five I was probably between from being in Boston. when I returned back to Australia, North Bondi. I loved that house.' Then, we lived in Murriverie Rd, after coming back from the States. This is the house that I woke up in, journey, or anything like that. I don't actually remember the whole I just remember this house. I've ever lived in It's probably the best house and I had a connection. because I really felt this house You sing or anything? What do you do? Oh, gosh. C'mon, Deni talk. aren't you? She's gonna be a ballet dancer, She's so coy. Very quiet child. ? STEVIE WONDER: Superstition 'My earliest memories are music. played in the house. A lot of music always music, man. I was breast-fed on Stevie Wonder in the background, Stevie Wonder was playing da-da-da, da-da-na-na.' and it was the da-da-da, da-da-da, ? Very superstitious... ? between her knees, 'My mum. I was moving around her, don't-do-that, you-dirty-old-rat. and she's like, (SINGS) don't-you-dare-do-that, That's my first musical memory. that I think, OK, ooh, There were two points as other mums. my mum's not quite the same Mum's Queen of Pop win. The first one is Picking my nose. And Mum's getting the award. to click for me That's when stuff started because that's when about kinda getting what Mum did, used to show up. the tour bus and stuff I was really lucky, I used to say as a kid, till I hit 13-14, had great taste in music. because my mum And Mum was on it. She was on point. what I thought was great Then, when it got to high school, wasn't so cool.' Now, your grandmother. Yes. (LAUGHS) Yes, she was. She was quite a lady. Her name was Esmerelda McPherson. Esmerelda Trophine McPherson. Trophine? Mm. Esmerelda was brought up in Jamaica, moved to Boston, and it was to Boston that you went, as really an infant. She looked after you. I, basically, had spent so much time away from my mother, that when she picked me up from the airport, I had no idea who she was. Who's that lady over there? I wanted my grandmother. Mwah! Then I slept for two days with jetlag. Grandma came over about six months later, because she could tell Mum, was...not struggling, but it was just a bit hard being on the road with a six-year-old, five-year-old. Gran's like, well look, I'll come over and help you look after Deni. When you stepped outside, went to school, was it tough? Primary school, the teacher...got my mum to sign a piece of paper, made a stencil of it, and gave her signature out to the whole school. The first two years of high school were the weirdest ones, for people being a bit strange. I'd come to school once, probably about the day before I left, in the quadrangle, the toilets - Marcia and Deni Hines suck. Dude, I'm just comin' to school. I left that school. Then I got kicked out of the Catholic school that I went to. Went to another public school, had a ball. Did you fight back, with the bullying? I came to school with a pair of scissors, one particular day. Yes. To have to stand up against some biatch, if she really wanted to go there, 'cause I am West Indian, after all. I can fight if I have to. What about at home? How do you push the boundaries at home? I thought Mum was related to the devil as a kid. I thought that they were like brother and sister, 'cause I couldn't do anything. The day that I went to school in a short skirt, because it was better, the long ones are daggy. Mum comes to school, she takes me to the classroom and she makes me change my skirt in front of the class. Holy camole. Hello. See what you mean. Yeah. (LAUGHS) It worked. Never wore that short skirt again. I was singing, you know. Mum didn't know that I was touring with Wa Wa Nee. Until...I used to drive down to Melbourne. I'd do school Monday to Friday, and then get in a car with the boys, drive to Melbourne, do a show there on a Saturday night. Turn round on Sunday, come back home. School on the Monday. There's this whole issue about modelling, isn't there? Yeah. You took up modelling... Didn't tell her. ..she didn't know. I can't easily fathom that. All my stuff was in Japan, how's she gonna know? How did it come about? I walked into an agency with a girlfriend of mine, who was signed to the agency, and they asked me if I'd like to consider being a model. I went, oh, OK. I never really thought of myself as a model. I like food. (LAUGHS) My gran knew. So long as one of you knew. That's all that matters. ? ROCKMELONS: Ain't No Sunshine 'I met the Rockmelons through Ronnie Laster and Tony Cook, who were James Brown's musicians, but I met them through the Rockmelons. The Rockmelons had actually supported James Brown, maybe five months, six months prior to that. They had a singer called John Kenny, who sang new groove, who at that stage had acquired nodules on his vocal chords, so he couldn't actually demo any of the songs. I got a call, saying, would you be able to come down and demo some stuff, because our singer's got nodules? I said, yes. I said, there's a song I think you guys should do. I sang a little bit of Ain't No Sunshine, and something happened, where I think they liked what they heard. Next thing you know, I was in the studio demoing that. It was actually Triple J radio that played it the first time. In my house we had a little radio in the kitchen. I was cooking breakfast one morning, and Ain't No Sunshine came on. I remember, I frantically shook the tape machine, thinking, I haven't left the demo in here? Oh, my God, it's on the radio for the first time. I ran and got Gran and Mum, stood there and listened to it for the first time. That was a bit of a trip. ? DENI HINES: It's Alright Then, after the success of those singles, they started to talk to me on a deal for a solo record.' And the winner is, It's Alright, Deni Hines. 'I got an ARIA for It's Alright. For that single.' I didn't know...ah, look. Thanks. And grouse. Thanks. ? ROCKMELONS: That Word (L.O.V.E) 'ARIAs are great, but I want a Grammy. No, straight up. I do. I do. When I got my ARIA, that's probably when I said, well, you know what? Mum didn't help me get that, and she didn't help me sell 1.2 million records, either. That's when I realised I'd got my own musical identity.' Well, that's really grouse. It is grouse. If I get my Grammy, 'cause that's what I've really come here to get, I will probably say something a little deeper than grouse. (LAUGHS) You fell into modelling. In a way... I fell into singing. That's what I was gonna say. You fell into singing, too. I wanted to be a coroner. A coroner. I did work experience in a morgue. A forensic psychologist? Coroner? Yeah. (LAUGHS) And Mum wanted to be a mortician. Truly? Yeah. Singing coroner, I think there's a career there. (LAUGHS) Singing coroner. ? MARCIA HINES: Stomp! It's interesting what you say about your mum. Obviously, your growing up is about you finding your own space. Who you are, separate from your mum. I used to say, if my mum was an orthodontist and I became a dentist, would there be this much interest? (LAUGHS) In the dental profession, maybe. Would people care? I also think that it's a kind of special thing, that for a certain amount of time in the Australian history, you've got two artists, a mother and daughter, doing what they do. You've always done the full immersion stuff. Like, the musical scene. You get to know Michael Hutchence. Not surprising, with INXS. Then, you marry Kirk Pengilly. Sax player, guitarist from INXS. When you think back on the marriage. It was short. Yeah. A year or something. 18 months, thank you. (LAUGHS) It's 1.5 times as long. Looks better on paper. 18 months. Yes. (BOTH LAUGH) What do you think you were doing? What was going on? As you look back on that. You know what I was doing? I married a man who was...four years younger than my mother. Who was looking for her father? I look at that and go, whoa, what were you thinking, Hines? What about your dad? What about him? Well, that's... Can you see the disdain of my face? What about that loser? I call him the donor. Please don't call him a dad 'cause he's not one. At one stage as you were growing up, you thought you'd go and meet him? I remember, he called me and said he was going to come out for Christmas. He has spoken to me three times since then - last year. He said, "You know, you call. I called you and you said, it's my birthday, I can't talk." And I went, "I'm five, I don't know you, and if I've got the choice of eating lollies or talking to a stranger on the phone, what do you think the five-year-old's gonna do?" The next time I hear from him, 1998. Not even him - his wife. I was in London. This woman calls me up out of nowhere and says, "Hello. I'm Debbie. I'm your father's wife." I've just gone, (MIMICS HANGING UP TELEPHONE) Debbie? Father? What? Flash forward to last year. I get a message on MySpace, from an 11-year-old, who is the son of the donor. He's got four children, to four different women on three different continents. I've got a 24-year-old step-brother, who shot at his girlfriend but missed. Huh? Do I want to be related to these people? When you talk about him, you obviously feel... I don't like him. That's obvious. I had one or two phone conversations with the donor, thought, you know what? Your job is done. Thank you. Or goodbye. Wrote this brilliant song called Feel. Sent it to him on an email. That was my last bit of correspondence. ? DENI HINES: Feel That's my only correspondence I've had with this man. I don't really want any more. ? DENI HINES: Son Of A Preacher Man (2006) 'I got the call to play a crazy lesbian - Dusty Springfield's lover - in Dusty, in January 2005.' You've finally got the hair and the wig. Oh, OK, that makes sense, now - I get it. It's very exciting. 'Dusty was a different musical because I had a lot of dialogue, and it was really pushing me outside my comfort zone.' I think she's absolutely the right choice. What am I gonna wear? Fabulous. See the difference? Mm. I've got the first scene... ..in my head, maybe. Dunno. ? DUSTY SPRINGFIELD: I Only Want To Be With You 'I remember the first day Tamsin and I had to get together and kiss. I'm glad she came to me 'cause there was no way I was going to her.' ? DUSTY SPRINGFIELD: Wishin' And Hopin' 'I learned from Tammy that one must be very serious when one is a thespian, and it's hard for me to be serious. I'll be serious when I'm dead.' ? MARTHA AND THE VANDELLAS: Dancing In The Street 'I was surrounded by a wicked cast. They were all proper actors. They'd all come from WAAPA. I'd come from ARIA.' ? Dancin' in the street. ? 'When I was doing the musical Dusty, I started listening to all this old music, from back in the day. When I first heard Someone To Watch Over Me, I was like, my God - that's such a haunting song and it's so beautiful.' ? ELLA FITZGERALD: Someone To Watch Over Me 'Next thing you know, I got a meeting with James Morrison. If you had sat down with me, even 18 months before that, and said, you'll do a jazz album with James Morrison, I would have laughed you out of the cafe. 'Cause I can't sing jazz - what are you talking about? Pfff. Don't know any jazz songs.' ? There's somebody I'm longing to see... ? 'Working with James Morrison was just one on the most amazing experiences of my career, thus far. That man is a freak with a capital F. He plays everything. He plays double bass, plays drums. Trumpet is what we know him for, but if you listen to our album, he's playing piano. It's just musical heaven.' ? Someone ? To watch over ? Me. ? You seem very much at home with those classics. Do I? I'm not. You should step inside. I don't know them. How do you feel? Scared. Don't mess up, Hines. The one woman that I love and I try to mimic... Not mimic, I tried to take to take her essence into the way I sang the songs is Ella Fitzgerald. The way that woman uses her voice like an instrument. Someone To Watch Over Me, I always sing with my eyes closed. When I sing that it's like a London streetlight - a foggy light by the Thames. That takes you to the mood? I've had one experience, very early, singing where, when I opened my eyes I was watching myself sing. When I realised I was watching myself sing, I freaked out and bang, opened my eyes and watched myself sing for a moment. Freaked myself out, got back in my body. Don't do that again. Not cool. An interesting place to go. Yeah. (LAUGHS) But I'm a tripper - I think it's the acid... ..Mum took, when I was in her. There's nothing I can do to out-do what my mum has done, is there? Forgotten what I was gonna ask you next. We're going good. I know what I was gonna ask you about. You're really flexible. When Dusty came along, that must have been a big call, that you'd take that on? I like acting. I want to do more of it. But when I did Dusty, I wanted people to be able to see me, but not see me. I had some friends come to the Melbourne shows. They rang me up, incredibly annoyed. They said, you weren't on tonight. I said, darlin', yes I was. That was perfect for you? Yes. You'd had success with singles in France and Japan. They're interesting musical markets. Richard Branson, talking about the Virgin music industry, says, Japan and France aren't in the mainstream at all. They have their own, separate thing. You've been successful in both markets. Yes. I'm quite happy about that. I broke into the domestic market in Japan. I wrote a song for a TV show, and I think it aired every night, like a Neighbours, but I also had the No.1 album in Japan. Japan really quite surprised me 'cause I don't look like them. ? DENI HINES: I Like The Way They don't look like me but they like me. That's cool. And it's a great market, because once they've got you, they've got you. MC: The beautiful, absolutely most beautiful Deni Hines. CHEERING 'I'm a Virgo, and we're perfectionists. When I step on stage, basically, that's it. I'm ready to go to work. I'm ready to battle. Let's do this. Once the room's got people in it, it sounds different, and there's a dynamic that happens on stage with the band, where we get excited. All my senses are open when I'm listening to everything going on. First song. First three minutes taking everything in. By the second, I'm on a home run. I'm sweet. I'm singing. Having fun. ? DENI HINES: Water For Chocolate I love singing. I love it sick. I just love the freedom of it. I don't do many things well, but, damn it, I do that well. Can't tell you what's going through my head. Probably the time when my mind is most quiet. There are moments on that stage where it's like, oh, no you didn't? You didn't just play that line? The drums will hit something. The bass player will do something. The guitars, and you just go, oh my God, that's nearly better than sex. Nearly. Not quite.' CHEERING Ahh. I love my job. I tell ya. I was watchin' Deepak Chopra on the tele this mornin', and he said somethin', and I was like, he's on it. When ya love what you do, and you laugh a lot, it makes you stay younger. I have a problem with this. Oooh. In five months' time... ..oooh...goodbye 30, hello 40. 'I do talk between songs, and sometimes it may be about the song I'm about to sing. I'll always be my mother's daughter, but I've got work to prove... to stand next to my name, now. It's just not because of the lineage, or through a name. I don't know if I've found my identity, yet. I'd like to say I'm still finding it. ? DENI HINES: What Make You a Man Have a talk to me at 39, and then let's sit down again at 59, and say, girlfriend, you had no idea. You thought you did, but you don't. So, I don't know. I'll just enjoy the ride until the ride stops.' APPLAUSE Thanks. You're not just a singer. You've got a real social conscience, too. Yes. Among issues you've looked at, and are really concerned about are homeless... young men and women. Africa, too. Africa was a major... You went to Nairobi? Yes. What did you find there? You went with an organisation called Oasis Africa. I am an ambassador for an organisation, Oasis, and we have a school in a place called Kabira. It's the biggest slum in Africa. 1.2 million people. We have a school in there with 1,260 children. They introduce you to school. You have to sing and dance, and they sing to you. (SINGS) "Work. Education." It's so sweet. I ended up coming home, falling in love with this boy, and I'm sponsoring him. Interesting things about your values. You had a run-in with the RSPCA. Oh, Huge! I went and did this thing for the RSPCA... Well, you're a vegetarian. Yes. They had dead cow on the table, but they also had a woman talking about how she went to the RSPCA, got her pet cow. He was so lovely and her life had changed. This is for the animals. Don't be saying, we're here to save 'em, and then yammin' down a cow at the next moment, 'cause that's not...right. Be vegetarian for two hours. Not gonna kill you. What will you do in the next few years? Go postal. No, I don't know. (LAUGHS) You want to go on learning, of course... Yeah. That's what life is about. That's really important to you. So, someone at your age and stage, what do you do to go on learning? My trip to Africa was just mind-blowing for me. Different time signatures, different rhythm beats. Totally different from the R&B world and what's going on in Australia. Middle East... The quarter tones that they... (SINGS) "Ya-habibi, ya-habibi." All that kind of stuff. I wanna learn those notes, 'cause our ears aren't tuned to those things. Producers out there, take note. Take note if you want some crazy, zany black chick...here I am. It's been great talking to you. Thank you. You're a lovely man. You are going to go far. (LAUGHS) We'll see about that. 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