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Good morning and welcome to 9am

with David and Kim. I'm David Reyne.

And I'm Kim Watkins. Welcome to

episode 450. Oh, jeez, I've aged!

You haven't! Oh, really? Thanks!

That's very kind of you. I went out

with the good lady wife last night

to the pub. Oh, lovely! How very

young of you! You know, I didn't

think that nearly 50-year-olds were

allowed to... What, drink? Live it

up in the pub! I wasn't whooping it

up. I had a bevy or two. There were

some gentlemen down there clearly

having their Christmas party. Oh,

yes! They'd clearly been having

their Christmas party for a good

many hours. And oh, MAN, were some

of those boys drunk! There was one

who was - there's sort of a beer

garden. There's a deck and some

lawn area and some bush area. Mm.

One of the guys was leaning up

against the tree. Like this. And he

had his wallet out. And he pulled

his wallet out, opened it up, and I

could see from where I was there

was nothing in his wallet. He stood

there for 15 minutes like this.

That's a bad look. And then, 15

minutes later, after realising

there was no money in it, he's

still thinking "I need another

drink!" He went to the bar. I don't

know how he did it. This guy was

so... blind drunk, he got himself

another drink. How do you do that

when you're that drunk and you have

no money?! Extraordinary. Maybe

they thought the final drink would they thought the final drink

push him over the edge and he'd

fall asleep and they could ship

imout. A couple of them were lying

down in the carpark later on too!

Have you ever had a really

disgraceful episode at a Christmas

party? Or witnessed one? I've been

to the Logies. No, I mean ... I've

witnessed disgraceful episodes

there. Those soapy starlets in the

toilets. Disgraceful. I was

thinking more about the chopper pad

and the glass lift in a previous

employer of mine. Apparently always

seemed to be quite popular seemed to be quite popular places

for a little bit of Christmas-party

which ... ... Hanky-panky? Yes. Speaking of

drunkenly beneath the missiletoe Smooching the IT guy can be hilarious at the time, and perhaps frighteningly satisfying 24 hours later. but deeply and tragically humiliating The Christmas party season is here, a duty of care, and while employers certainly have so does the individual. and social relationships of the blurring of work and will elaborate this morning. and there is little to celebrate, Tomorrow is World AIDS Day, at its highest for seven years. infections here in Australia with the rate of newly diagnosed at its highest for seven years. professor Rob Moodie Global health expert international think-tank has just returned from an important our commitment to slow the epidemic. saying we need to increase to explain what's needed. And he'll join us Australian film I've ever seen Perhaps the most extraordinary

These are our ribbons today for

whole week next week. World AIDS Day tomorrow. For a

Australian film I've ever seen with a largely unknown cast. was shot over five days recently, is an ex-prisoner, The main character in 'Boxing Day' volatility and aggression. and the whole fim bristles with Kreev Stenders and we'll meet director and Richard Green later. last week Even though the Federal election the face of Government, decisively changed the fallout continues.

The water cooler will wrap up the

politics and the possibilities, and

the stuff that really matters. So

let's get into Friday. This program is captioned live.

June, 2010, seems like such a long

way away. Doesn't it? That's when

we would celebrate our 1,000th show.

Is that right? Yeah. If we're still

around. (Laughs) If people still

watch! Exactly! I found this in

the... It better be. Good we're

trying to tempt peel to 2010 here,

so it better be good. A US judge

has been sacked for jailing an

entire courtroom audience after

none of them admitted none of them

responsibility for a ringing phone.

Judge Robert Restano, who was

presiding over a domestic-violence

came in Niagara falls, said he was under stress in his personal

under stress in his personal life

at the time. I'm so with him! If I at the time. I'm so with him! If

had that power, I'd do the same

thing. Absolutely. Absolutely. In

fact, there was a particular...

I've got to be a bit careful here.

There was a particular judge in

Queensland - I can't even give his nickname because it would

completely give it away - he was

very fond of the media and was

extremely accommodating to the

point where, um, when you're

sitting in court as a journalist

and you're listening to argument

and you're writing things down -

there are times when people's names

are suppressed. And in any other

case, you would walk out of a

courtroom and you wouldn't, ah -

you would miss out on the fact that

the names had been the names had been suppressed. You

could get into all sorts of trouble. Except this particular judge, Except this particular judge, I

remember going to walk out to file

some stories. And he said "You some stories. And he said "You in

the media, just one moment. I'm

just considering whether I'll make just considering whether I'll

a suppression order on this name.

No, you're fine. You can go now."

He came back in as he was ohanding

out his judgment. And he was

reading very... very... slowly. So

that people who didn't a

take......... any kind of notes...:

Or any kind of shorthand...: Could

really get all theinismation out.

He was hilarious. Exactly the sort He was hilarious. Exactly the

of judge you want to have. He now

runs a TV network. (Laughs)

Spaghetti, macaroni, rigatoni - is

it any wonder the pasta aisle at

the supermarket is 1km long? Then

there's the aisle for the pasta

sauce. This morning, Tobie Puttock sauce. This morning, Tobie Putto

will inspire us to avoid the supermarket so we can stuff

bits of sauce into our own tiny

homemade pasta. Before we wring his

neck, Kim, what's on the front page

this morning? He's not stuffing

tiny bits of sauce. He's stuffing

it, it, then putting the sauce on

top. A bit different. He's still

putting it in. Buabout the you wait

till you taste it! The news -

straight to work for Kevin Rudd's

new Cabinet ministers, who'll be

sworn in on Monday. A new era too

for the Liberals, with Brendan Nelson taking over the reins after

a tight party-room ballot. Dislodged from the nation's top job seemed relaxed and comfortable but John Howard arrived at the official residence. as the PM-elect and his wife Hello, Kevin. Welcome to the Lodge. than when Kevin Rudd entered Caucus, Slightly more low key who reversed the party's fortunes. a hero's welcome for the man Different rules, too - a century of Labor tradition Mr Rudd going against to select his own ministry without the influence of the factions. Deputy Julia Gillard has been given a super portfolio, retaining Workplace Relations and picking up Education.

She'll also add acting Prime Minister to the list as soon as next month, when Kevin Rudd is at the international climate conference.

Big job but for a very talented individual and if I did not have that confidence Wayne Swan will be Treasurer, Lindsay Tanner Finance Minister and Stephen Smith takes Foreign Affairs. A new guard, too, for the Liberals -

Brendan Nelson beating Malcolm Turnbull for the leadership, but only just - 45 to 42, Julie Bishop is his deputy, the new Opposition Leader admitting he's come from an unorthodox background but he says it shows the Liberals are open to new ideas. If you vote Labor there is a real place for you in the Liberal Party and we are reaching out to you. The new Labor Ministry will be sworn in on Monday. Brad Hodson, Ten News.

Meantime, unions are demanding

Kevin Rudd enforce a ban on

Australian Workplace Agreements

from Jamie Dunn January 1. Under

Labor's workplace policy, AWAs

would be banned as soon as new IR

legislation comes to effect,

thought to be some time after March.

But according to Fairfax newspapers,

the community and public-sector

union is calling for retrospective

legislation. The union's concerned

some workers are being forced to

sign new 5-year AWAs under current laws. The Department of Foreign The Department of Foreign Affairs

is trying to contact 17 Australians

who may have been caught up in a

siege at a Philippines hotel. Rebel

soldiers took over the hotel in

Manila demanding the government be

overthrown. The attempted coup was

crushed when elite troops stormed

the building, driving a tank

through the front doors and firing

tear gas into the lobby. More than

100 people including hotel staff

and journalists were caught up in the aftermath.

A woman will face court today

charged with kidnapping a baby girl

from a hospital. It follows a

15-hour police search, which ended with the woman's arrest. This is baby Courtney, just three days old, on her way to be reunited with her mother after being abducted from hospital. It was scary and we are happy that the baby was found, and thanks to the police for that. This is the woman accused of snatching the newborn from her crib after allegedly asking the baby's mother for a photo of her.

Obviously it could have ended a lot worse Baby Courtney was found with the accused on a bus headed for Kalgoorlie. The 31-year-old was tracked down

after police identified her from hospital security tapes. It's very scary, yeah. I mean, it was that easy for that woman to do that. Everyone's a bit worried it's going to happen to them. How someone was able to walk out of the ward with Courtney unnoticed

will be the subject of an internal hospital review, but the WA Government has already dismissed calls for a broader security shake-up. Josh Murphy, Ten News.

In the past year, there's been a

surge in the number of children

being cared for by the NSW

Department of community services.

An additional 2,000 abused children

have been taken from their homes

compared with the previous year an

increase of about 20%. The

Department plans to review its

child-protection system to cope

with the rising number of abuse cases.

It's the end of an era for

Australian radio today as

broadcaster John Laws prepares to

hang up his headphones after a

maplgth 55-year career.

Well-wishers are expected to flood

2UE's switchboard for the final

show, farewelling the man known as

'Golden Tonsils'. The talkback king

has described radio as the most

important thing in his life after

his family. What an outstanding

career. 55 years! At the mic.

Amazing work. Hopefully he'll have

lots of time now to relax and eat at his favourite restaurants. More

on those stories coming up on the

morning News at 11:00, Blue plus a

full wrap in Ten's news at 5:00.

There's nothing quite like a glass

of free sauvignon blanc to loosen

the lip, the blouse and the zip.

Tis the yo-ho-ho season and the

boss is paying. Say goodbye to the

inhibitions and hello to a lasting

embarrassing legacy. Employers need

to carefully look at their

responsibilities, especially when

supplying alcohol. Private investigator Warren Mallard joins

us to talk about the blurred line

between work and play. Good morning. between work and play. Good morning.

Good morning. Great to be back. If

I... if I go to the Christmas party,

and I have too many drinks, and the

boss has supplied those drinks,

who's responsible fray for my

actions there and then afterwards?

It's a really complex issue. If the

party is sponsored by the employer

and the employer expects you to

attend, and the employer provides

the alcoholic beverages free of

charge, then there is really a duty

of care and onus and obligation

upon the employer to ensure that

transport is perhaps arranged to

and from the venue to insure that

people don't drink too much. The

smarts go out when the booze smarts go out when the booze comes

in. And things happen. So really,

they should be thinking about

providing a cab charge docket or

cars for everyone home? Cabcharge.

Let's put that down there. And we

like the sauvignon blanc. Not the

cheap one in the box. I don't think

they've got an obligation to

provide those things, but they do provide those things, but they do

have an obligation to instruct. And

the best way to do things it is to

have some protocols set in place

and standard operating and standard operating procedures

for functions like this. And for

people to be very, very careful

when they get tanked. It's a

festive season. People drink quite

a bit. I want to ask about this

Telstra case which has caused

ructions right across Australia

where they were out having a few

drinks socially and there were some

incidents where people ended up in

hotel rooms and there were

allegations of sex being had in front of other people. And the

company then took action and sacked

one of the particular workers only

for her to be reinstated again. Mm.

Do employers have the right to

dictate how we behave in our own

private time? I think it all

depends upon what your contract of service says. I would imagine with

a company as large as Telstra,

they'd have a really complex

contract of service, and some of

the points raised in that contract

of service would be about your

conduct and how you present

yourself both inside of the

workplace and outside if you workplace and outside if you are

with work colleagues. But yes, it's

a very grey area and I think that,

you know, we all get into trouble

at some stage in our life. None of

us are angels. And sometimes we

make mistakes. Oh, come on!T

Sometimes somebody is a prude and

wants to report something they've

seen, or they might genuinely be

offended by it. You have to be

really careful. Not everyone thinks

like you. So you had have to think

of others as well. Apparently

there's quite an incidence of

drink-spiking at Christmas parties

too. Rohip fall is one of the

favourites that the spikers use. I

can recall doing a matter not so

long back, an American girl that

came to Australia with her family,

22 years of age, a virgin, wanted

to go to a wedding as a virgin. --

her wedding as a virgin. She went

to a nightclub in Sydney, it was,

in fact, and she got very drowsy

and because escorted from the hotel,

allege ladedly, by a friend that

she'd met there to the front door.

The friend said that was as far as

she took her. We had a look at

video footage from the hotel video footage from the hotel and

also got a hold of footage from cameras along the roads. It was

pretty obvious that he had escorted

her out of the hotel and back to

her apartment , where there

some sexual contact. And -- but for

those cameras and but for the video,

we wouldn't have been able to get

that. She was very, very ill. There

are dgt issues here. How on earth

can you protect yourself from

drink-spikeing? You can't, really,

can you? You really need to be

careful. Try and buy your own

drinks. It's a common thing for a

man to buy a woman a drink. Don't

take your eye off the drink. Make

surio you've seen it come from the

bar and nobody has sprinkled

something into it or sprinkled

something into it. In my teenage

years, we were bought drinks all

the time! You didn't have a second

thought. Men were forever buying

drinks back then. I didn't have drinks back then. I didn't have to

pay for any drink - it was

fantastic! These days it is quite

different. You right there? I as I

understand it, rohip fall now has a

colour agent added to it? They've

done that now. There are other

drips they can use in place of

Rohipnol that will make you drowsy

very quickly. I don't want to

mention the names because I knew

Rohipnol had been taken care of. It

wouldn't be proper of me

instruct people which drugs to use,

for instance. You should get your

own drink and keep it with your own

time, basically. There are issues

of sexual assault as well. People

get friendly at Christmas. People

can be enamoured of you and you're

not quite aware of it. When your

guard is down and the booze is out,

next thing you know, a kiss on the

cheek leads to a bit of

touchy-feely and it can go further

and you can have a sexual-assault

claim lodged against you. Are in

your own professional experience,

are you often called upon to investigate matters that might

arise at a Christmas party? At the

moment, I'm working on one that

arose out of a mistaken friendship

- one for another within the

workplace. And the male involved

allegedly put his hand on the

shoulder, then his arm around her,

and she responded and kissed him on

the cheek and said "You're a lovely

boss." And then one thing led to

another. And there was, um, some

sexual activity between the two of

them. And, um, you know, that has

now turned into a really serious

now turned into a really serious

criminal matter, plus a workers

compensation issue, because you've

got workers compensation and OHS

laws that cover all of this as well

as criminal laws. Part of as criminal laws. Part of the

problem as I understand it is

people don't know how to then lodge

a claim. I mean, and those claims

can be months later. It's quite

common for them to be months later. That's often seen as suspicious.

"Why didn't you complain straight

away?" There are other issues.

You're working in this place and you don't want everyone in the

workplace to know about it. They

might be getting legal advice. You

don't want to lose your job. You've

got a mortgage. You're trying to to

keep it all hiden and threat go

away. All of a sudden you've got no

option to make a late report. It's

easy for me to sit here and say

report it straight away, but there

are too many other issues. Is there

a statute of limitations? Not in

criminal matters, no. So any at any

stage in the next couple of years

you can come forward? Yes. How

reliable is a drunken memory?

There's been research done deon

memory and alcohol. It doesn't

auger well. The two don't really

mextogether well. They go together

very badly --. Depending on your

level of insobriety - some people

get really, really drunk and don't

remember what happened. I think

we've all been there. I can remember as a teenager, I remember as a teenager, I couldn't

remember how I got home one night.

I really couldn't remember, because

I'd had too much to drink. But in

terms of legal proceedings... Yes.

The likelihood of someone listening

to your drunken memory and acting

on that. Absolutely. And that would

be an issue. Anyone defending a

claim of sexual assault, if the

other party was drunk, would be

relying upon that very, very much

so. We're not being rousers here,

though, are we? There are plentry

of people who say "Come on, it's

just a Christmas party." But these

are genuinely upsetting cases for

people that change their lives.

We're hearing a lot more about

binge-drinking and a lot more about

excessive use of alcohol. Our

drinking habits have changed quite

a bit. It is a social drug. It's

socially accepted and just about

everyone uses it. What is it about

free booze? People just go silly,

don't they? I don't know that it's

just free booze. If they gave away

free smoked salmon, you'd probably

eat it every day as well! I eat it every day as well! I this go

it's just the point that it's free.

And of course the point that And of course the point that you

can drink quite a bit of it and can drink quite a bit of it and to

get drunk these days, I'm advised

that it can cost you $100 bucks in

a nightclub to get yourself to that

level of intoxication. So if it's

free, you know, you mightn't have the opportunity to get

yourself to that level of intox

kaiing. If you want to feel that

way. -- intoxication. So this is

free booze. The other thing to talk

about here obviously is - we're

talking about corporate Christmas

parties - but is corporate control

getting out of hand? Corporate

control of their staff beyond....

Uh, working hours. We see it in

sporting codes, don't we?

Athletes... certain football

codes... athletes are expected to

behave themselves beyond the game.

Is this happening more and more? It is. But in defence of the

corperates and the people in charge

of those that play sports, the

high-profile people, in defence otof that, you've got a whole lot

of laws throughout and a whole lot

of people lodging claims and law

firms and so forth involved. And

we've become very we've become very litigious. We've

gone down that American path of

litigation and everyone wants to

blame somebody for their own

actions. I got drunk but you gave

me the booze type of thing. Where

does it start and finish? What

responsibilities lie with you to

not get drunk? Well, and where

further can this go? Because these

days, there's YouTube, there are

faceback pictures... I mean, you

may not know of an incriminating

photo being taken. All of a sudden

it's splashed across the Internet

and your reputation is ruined.

Quite a reaction. The amount of

work we're getting now of people

getting their photographs published

and they don't know who published

their photograph - I'm talking

salacious stuff, not just facial

photographs - they've had their

whole personal lives published on

the Internet. The Internet is a

source of work for investigators of

the future. We're doing it now, of

course, but I think in the next 20

years, the Internet will be one of

those areas where lawfirms and

private investigators and private investigators and police

will be very much a very large part

of. Because everyone is dealing

with the Internet today. Everyone

is buying on the Internet. You once

went into a shop to buy, you now

buy on the Internet. Everything

seems to relate to seems to relate to information

technology. You've also got those

these offences, these publishing of

photographs and truths or untruths.

Is it more difficult for guys like

you to track that down? It's very,

very hard. People hide very hard. People hide behind

Yahoo! , a hotmal address, all Yahoo! , a hotmal address, all the

time. How easy it is - you can

create UN with of those addresses.

You don't need to give truthful

information when you create the

address. If you create the address

away from your workstation, the

chances of you being traced are

very, very difficult. People know

this. What about bosses, then,

seeing pictures turn up on YouTube

and then having not known anything

about a particular incident to now

obviously be aware of it. Are they

then taking action against

employees because of employees because of what's

appeared on Facebook or YouTube?

Yes, workplaces and the laws that

govern workplaces and the offences

that arise out of a workplace are

more and more prevalent and more

and more common today. I think

pretty much so because we do have computer connectivity between one

another and we can send another and we can send a

sellaceous little SMS over to

somebody via the computer, or we

can, you know, attach a filthy

photograph onto it and send it off

via a hotmal address to look at the

reaction of the person at the

workstation next to you. I'm sure

there's a lot of that happening.

I'm getting quite a lot of reports.

It's become an area where people

can pretty much get access to you

24 hours a day, whether you want

them to get access to you or not.

So it's about protecting that

intellectual property which is your

email address and making sure that

email address doesn't get out to

too many people. And keep yourself

nice. Yes! Or try, anyway. Exactly.

Keep some fun. You've got me

concerned now. We have our concerned now. We have our big

Christmas lunch on today, don't we,

big Dave? Free drinks. We've got

the cameras installed. Oh, stop it!

Thank you for your time. Merry

Christmas. Thank you. Same to you. Ta. More of 9am after Hello, there. Everyone enjoys a pleasant surprise around Christmas time, so that's why I'm talking to you in a soft voice for a change. And now here are some other novel ideas from Magnet Mart. Or surprise someone with this: Magnet Mart - better prices, better people. MAN: And cut! Hey, you're ruining the ambience! This program is captioned live. Australian HIV/AIDS infection rates

are at their highest in seven years,

adding to a staggering 4.9 million

people who carry the disease in people who carry the disease in the

Asia-Pacific region alone. Global

health expert professor Rob Moodie

has just returned from a has just returned from a recent

conference on the subject in Fiji.

Here's here to talk about -- he's

here to talk about the important

issues raised and the explain what

the repercursions are for Australia.

What was the purpose of the meeting

in Fiji The first commission of

AIDS in the Pacific. The first

time?! It's a new commission that's

been established. This is trying to

get a high-level group to look get a high-level group to look at

what needs to be done to get better

leadership in the area, to generate

more interest, more funding in HIV

and AIDS programs in the Pacific.

Who else is involved? It's led Who else is involved? It's led by

former deputy prime minister of

Tonga. A wonderful man, actually.

Bits got a wonderful woman from

French Polynesia who's actually a

Turk. Her HIV/AIDS that I'm wear -

Mother-of-pearl. It's fantastic.

Exactly. And he's been the first

person, to, in a sense, be public

about having HIV in the Pacific.

People from New Zealand, from Fiji itself, obviously, and New Guinea

as well. It's really trying to say

"What do we need to know more about

AIDS in the Pacific? Where should

we be investing our effort? And

what are the cultural shifts? What

are the education shifts that

really need to be pushed pretty

hard over the next few years?"

Where are the great yearn concerns?

PNG, Fiji? PNG has the highest

rates in the region by a long way.

What would they be? There's now

levels of people that are known to

have HIV about 15,000, but

estimated levels much higher estimated levels much higher -

about four times that rate. The Australian Government, for example

- other agencies are really trying

to put in a lot of effort and to put in a lot of effort and time

into this. You've got to be working within the health systems that are there. It's a really difficult

social, cultural, health issue as

well. I don't mean to put you on

the spot with figures and facts. But what percentage of the

population is that in PNG? There's

about 6 million in the population.

Pretty high, isn't it? About 1%.

Also, we don't know enough in terms

of being able to monitor well

enough yet. Why is the figure so

high in PNG and not as high enother

South Pacific regions? That's a

very good question. In fact, that's

one of the things the commission is

looking at. In other parts of the

Pacific, we have very high levels

of other sexually transmitted

diseases. All the other risk factors around sexual behaviour

that would indicate there should be

higher levels. For example, in the

Solomons and Vanuatu, we simply

don't know - very low levels of

reported cases thoo. res some reported cases thoo. res some of

the things we're trying loo look at.

And trying to get, in a sense,

political-community leaders to take

the issue more seriously. It was

interesting - we visited a very

interest clinic outside

11s and even earlier so that we are

giving kids the information and giving kids the information and the

protection they need. Is that the

way to go? Is it education at an

early age? Is that the most

effective way That has to be part

of it, David. I think that if of it, David. I think that if we

look at sort of associated issues

in Australia, like unwanted

pregnancy, abortions, these other

issues, then we know from

international experience, the

countries that do it best are those

that start early, they deal that start early, they deal with

these issues openly, they make sure

it's done in the context of "This

is about how kids learn to cope

with life." It's not something

that's hidden away or ignored.

That's about education, though.

There's also the cultural aspect of

that, where it's not something that

they're comfortable to talk about.

Certainly in PNG, it's very

male-dominated. Yeah. I think also

we know where there are major

disparities between the power that

men have and the power that women

have. This is an issue across the

world, no matter the culture. That

makes it much harder for sensible

discussion around prediction. If a

woman wants to demand that the man

has got to use a condom, she hasn't

got any power to have that discussion, and that's a discussion, and that's a really

tough gig. That's why I think over

the next few years, globally, we're

seeing much more effort going into

programs around improving women's capacity to have that discussion,

trying to do something about this

disparity between power and men and

power of women, trying to stop

violence against women. Violence

against women is a big issue that

results in HIV infection in results in HIV infection in the long run. Do you long run. Do you think that................ We,

globally, we've managed the

treatment of AIDS too effectively,

which has resulted in.......

Complacency? That's only

in some countries. Sure. That's the

charge that is laid. In Australia,

where we said "Fortunately, we have

treatments - people are who have

HIV now have much longer survival

times and lead full lives." And

they question - it's therefore

we're less interested in prevention,

which I think is in fact true. In

Australia, the rates have risen.

They have. To a certain extent,

we've taken our foot off the pedal

over the last few years. In places

like Africa, there's so many -

literally 90% of people who still

don't have treatment. That big

issue is to get those people on

treatment. OK. So that raises all

kinds of issues, because this inevitably becomes a political

discussion, doesn't it? Oh. I mean,

age is... About supplying the drugs

cheaply. No doubt about it, it's a

political issue. I think that we

need to make sure that the leaders

are interested over there and

allocating resources. They're also

allowing things to happen. In allowing things to happen. In South

Africa, for example, there's been a

failure of political leadership to

actually let programs get started

up and running and move rapidly. up and running and move rapidly. On the other hand, we've seen

wonderful programs in India, for example, that we've been involved

with, that have gone to scale very

quickly over three or four years and are really protecting sex

workers for, example, and their

clients, in a very, very effective

way. If your commission goes to PNG or they go to Fiji and they say

"This needs to be done," are they...

are they willing to listen?....

What's their reaction? Well, What's their reaction? Well, yes

and no. Obviously it does depend on

where you are and how that

information is presented. That's

why it's very important we have a

leader, the head of the commission,

that we do. In a sense, he's a very well-respected leader of the

Pacific. He ran the imminent

persons group that looked at how

the Pacific island Forum works. In

some way, it's a bit like peer

education. I was just thinking

that! He's talking to his peers.

That's a very important part of

helping them, in a sense, get

interested in the issue and change

some of the attitudes. People, I

think politicians, are sometimes

very scared about talking about

drugs, sex and AIDS. I mean,

they're not easy issues to deal

with ! what about the issue of

circumcision? That's even harder to

broach. In the Western world, the

trend has certainly gone against

circumcision. It was the circumcision. It was the World

Health Organisation that came out

recommending in third-world

countries that men be circumcised

to prevent the spread of AIDS.

Certainly. Recent studies out of is

southern Africa have shown 60%

reduction of prevalence in men who

are circumcised. That much?! are circumcised. That much?! It's potentially a very powerful

addition to what we've got in terms

of prevention. There's still a lot

of resistance here. It's almost

become an ideological, cultural

battle. If you're looking at the

data, the science around it, then

it says that circle scission is

protective for sexial protective for sexial transmissible

infections, as well as for HIV. And

this debate is still to be had in

Australia, let alone , I certainly

think in PNG, for x., it's

something that should be looked at.

Obviously it's now becoming a part

of programs in southern Africa. Do

we know the figures in the South

Pacific rim? Do we know whether -

In terms of circumcision rates?

Yeah. They're not high, no. And we

really have to look at, you know,

is it something that can be

introduced? I mean, for example,

people talked about that people talked about that 'The

World's Fastest Indian' -- in India

and said it wouldn't be on. It's so

culturally based. There are many

cultures in Africa that some parts

of the country have high

circumcision rates. Others have

none. On the other hand, it's

potentially a ... 60% drop? That's

extraordinary, isn't it? Yeah. And

I think that's why, in a sense, we've been unsuccessful in

developing a vaccine. Since we've

been talking about it - coming on

10 years - We were saying that 20

years ago. Yeah. Despite years ago. Yeah. Despite the

efforts, we've been unsuccessful in

getting microbicides to prevent

women getting infected. That hasn't

developed yet. We have to go back

to sexual reproductive health,

provision of condoms, circumcision.

Those things are important as well.

Are we failing here in Australia? I

think so, for our cuscapacity,

David. In a sense, for the public

health and education systems we,

have we could be doing a far better

job in sexual and reproductive

health for 12-15-year-old kids in

Australia. The leadership that

we've had recently, which has been

really much more about sort of a

strong moral push away from - Too

conservative, do you think? I think

so, yeah. And again, look at

northern Europe. Look at the Dutch.

They have the lowest rates of

abortions, the lowest rates of

teenage pregnancies. And the lowest

rates of other sexual transmiss

miscible diseases in kids. Why?

They're open about it. The whole

point that if you talk about itic

it doesn't make kids have sex. It

actually gives them more capacity

to have control over their own to have control over their own sex

lives. And that's what I think we

want, rather than just denying it

and pushing it away and say figure

we don't talk about it, they won't

do it. How difficult...I look at

your job and it astounds me,

because it is such a big job. You

then need to get on board people in

terms of sex education, you need terms of sex education, you need to

get all kinds of programs to do

with violence against women in this

area. I mean, it's such a big job.

Yeah, but I mean I guess - aildz, I

guess, it shines the lights on the

sort of -- AIDS smins the lights on

faults in human society. It really

is such an interesting issue. It's

around how we live and treat och

other. It's an issue of human rights. It affect virtually every

part of our lives. It's such an

interesting area to be involved in.

We have seen pretty dramatic

progress despite all these other issues I was talking about over the

last 20 years. A lot of people now

are on treatment. We are

are on treatment. We are preventing

a lot of infections. Prevention is

possible. It can work. But it does

take a lot of political and

community will. Can we shift

emphasis for a moment - emphasis for a moment - there have

been recent studies about the

standard of health in Australia.

Yep. You are the CEOO of Victorian

Health. We have a new Government

now who have been making noises

about getting the health system and hospital system controlled hospital system controlled

federally. Yep. Is that a good

idea? Yell well, there's an enormousing anest and concern enormousing anest and concern about

the fact that we have this 2-tiered

system. This cost-and-shift --

cost-and-blame shifting from Federal to State. They've Federal to State. They've had this

game for the last ... And a

doubling up of resources, too.

"It's your fault." "No, it's yours."

That has to be stopped. Nicola

Rockson's huge challenge. It's the

states as well. To develop - maybe

they work on pooled funding for

regions so they both put in money

around supplying resources, for

example, for a metropolitan example, for a metropolitan region

or rural region. But working out

some way rather than getting --

constantly shifting the blame.

We've got a 2-tiered system in

other ways as well. I think the

notion of pushing too much and

relying just on the private

health-care sector and also taking

resources out of the public-health

sector means you get one system for

the wealthy and one system for the

poor. What we did 10 years ago was

take money out of the dental-health

system. The universal system. That system. The universal system. That

was fine for people who can afford

dentists. If you didn't have that

money, that's rotted money, that's rotted your teeth

over the last 10-15 years. We've

got to have that back. There are

some basic systems that Australia -

everyone in Australia - deserves to

have. And health care and certainly

dental care is one of those. Is it

inevitable that we go to some type

of centralised system, some central

bank, so that information is

collected and kept in one place so

we're not missing people in we're not missing people in the

process - the mental-health system

isn't speaking to another one?

That's a really, really key issue.

It's a debate between the privacy

issue, where we've been really

concerned about over the last five concerned about over the last five

years, as well as the issue of how

do you manage to link data? It's

both for research and for patient

care. We have to try and resolve

some of those issues to make sure

that people also feel as though

their records aren't going to end

up on someone else's desk, or as we

were talking about before, on the

Internet. If you can Internet. If you can guarantee

privacy considerations at the same

time as really trying and too make

sure that information is passed

between health-care providers,

people actually hold that data

themselves. They could take it from

person to person rather than

necessarily being held by Big

Brother. Mm. Not a bad idea. So

much more to talk to you about.

We'll get back you back in the new

year. Love to. After the break,

pillows of pasta packed with recooked cheese. Tobie Puttock is next. As much as I love what I do... ..I never want to lose sight of what's really important. MOBILE PHONE BEEPS So when there's a chance for all of us to catch up, I don't need a headache bringing me down. That's why I keep Panadol Rapid handy. It's absorbed twice as fast as regular Panadol tablets. Because I'd rather spend time with friends than with a headache. Panadol - it's my choice. This program is captioned live.

# When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza a big pizza pie...

He runs a restaurant, hosts a TV

show, is writing a book, and today

he's making authentic ravioli in

the 9am kitchen. Good morning, Tobie Puttock. Good morning. How

are you doing? Give us a kiss. I'm

so excited about this. I love it

when men hug and kiss! Do you? I

love that. I love these

but I've only ever made, kind of,

fettucini with it. I don't know how

to do of this. Fettucini is

probably almost a little harder.

I've made a basic sheet here. We're

going to make some ravioli here

today. Called ravioli assole. You

probably know what that means? "

Ravioli of the sun" it means. Yes.

I was figuring it was something to

do with the sun. Ossole and all

that. We have some cheese, some

ricotta, which is sheep's milk,

which I actually made in Italy a

few weeks ago with these rare breed

sheep. How did you get it back in?

Not THIS one. Ricotta, literally

translated, is recooked. Yep. It

has to go through the process at

least twice. That's correct. When

you get it when it's just been made

and it's still warm, it's sensational. Ricotta can sensational. Ricotta can sometimes

have a bit of a bite to it. When

it's super-fresh, it almost doesn't

take too much at all. It's like

eating clouds. Come in and snuggle

next to me for a sec. It's really

important it if you make this that

you use chunky ricotta. Don't buy

that smooth stuff. It's really

important that it's like this.

this is probably - Why? Because if

you use the really smooth stuff,

it's not going to hold, really. You

need something with a bit of volume

and texture to it. We're putting it

inside, aren't we? We are. You guys

will love how easy this is. Salt,

pepper, ricotta. Little bit of good

olive oil. Good--quality cold-pressed one. Some lemon zest.

Not too much. For this time of Not too much. For this time of year,

I got asked to come on the show

recently and I looked at the

weather forcontrast and it's sunny.

We don't want to eat meatball and

bolognaise is sauce. I would! bolognaise is sauce. I would! It's

lovely. But this is good for this

time of year because it's time of year because it's really

simple to make. We'll give that a

bit of a mix. I'm always amazed

with you the simplicity of the

dishes and the flavour you manage

to get out of it. It's just

combining flavours together. You

don't need to put 6 million things

together. Eggs and minus go really

nicely. I picked this out of my

garden this morning. This is

chocolate mint. It's like eating

those chocolate mint-biscuit things,

which is lovely. God, it is too.

Good inYeah! Have you had that

before? Not chocolate mill mint.

Chew the stem a bit. Do you grow a

lot of vegetables and herbs and

things like that? Live in an

apartment about four floors up.

I've got lots of different tomatoes

up there as well. How do you do

that? What do the neighbours snink

Just on the balcony! We got tomatos

and beans and capsicums that moment.

Don't you have to put strings or

stakes up? My mother-in-law is a

gardener. She comes around and does

all that. How good is that?! I go

out there when I'm cooking and pick

it up all up. I've got a beautiful

long sheet here. It's important to

make this as thin as you can. We'll

put an egg yoke in the middle,

which is why it's called ravioli of

the sun. The egg yoke will overcook

if it's too thick. When you cut

into the ravioli, it spills out and

adds to the sauce. Hang on, I saw

you making this with... Jamie

Oliver. With Mr Jamie. When the

first series of 15 aired... We have.

We used to do this a lot in the

restaurant too. It's actually

really hard to do well. So we'll

show you guys how to do it now. It

looked so easy until you said that!

Take a spoon each. We need to leave

a lot of gap here. We'll take

little spoon of this. I'll show you

the first one. We might even need a

little bit more than that. We'll

make a almost like a volcano for

our egg yoke to sit in. You can

just kind of pop it around like

that. So if you want to do one

there, you do one down there, Kimi. Alrighty. Hang on.

This is a bit of fun, isn't it?

Isn't it. You jump in the middle,

big Dave. I've been told you guys

are fine to separate eggs and stuff

as well, aren't you? Yep. It's just

the yoke, yeah? Just the yoke.

Obviously we need some space

between them. That's exactly right.

Because it's such a rich ravioli as

well, you probably only need one or

two. That would be enough. You need

to separate this. Kim, you're

flying along at this. Ohhh! Pop the

yoke into the middle, but get rid

of the white. I do the same? You

can do the same. Look at this - one

each. You spilt the white, didn't

you? You know what's really

interesting? We used to do this

with gulls-eggs in England. And

quail eggs as well. That would be

good! Look at the concentration on

your face! Don't want to get it

wrong, do you? Look at that! Pufbg.

The hard bit is closing this over

as well. Right now you've got to do

800 of them. We did this on

Hamilton Island on a beach for

about 90 people, which was about 90 people, which was very

interesting. Where are you going

with that egg yoke? Plenty more

whites, if you need it. I struggle

with the job I'm paid for, let

alone this one. LAUGHTER How's all

the laughing in the background!?

Yeah.. That not bad. You need to

make sure that you've got...

That will pop. That will run off.

Save it? Do another one there. No,

I can fix this one up. Are you

going to pack it around the snidz

bog and fill? Sounds appetising.

Sounds like something my Mum would

say. Anyway. So you can probably -

are you going to repack it around

the side now? We're not building a

house with bricks and stuff, mate!

We're bogin' and fillin'. The next

trick, of course, is how to seal

the little sucker. I'm a bit

concerned - that one's gonna pop

for sure. We've got some egg wash

here. You can use water. This is

basically our glu. We -- glue. We

need to form a good seal on this.

With this kind of ravioli, I think

what you want to do is, because

it's so delicate, is give it a

really light sauce as well. Nothing

too heavy. So you fold the too heavy. So you fold the whole

sheet over! We could have put

another one in there. We could have.

It's almost a meal in itself. Yeah.

Then we very carefully get the air

out of it. Why is that important?

If air gets into the hot water,

which it will expand, making which it will expand, making the

whole thing pop open. Careful with

that one now. Really? Very careful!

that one now. Really? Very careful!

It's popped, David. You can cup

your hand around these. We're

running out of time. How do we

around them now? Takes two seconds. Boom, boom, boom.

Take this one down. Let's put your one in, Dave.

This is just fantastic. How long?

You only need to cook them for

seconds, really. Give you some

butter. I lb uv it, I love it. This

is the next part of the sauce. We

need to turn this on. We're out of

time. We need to hurry this up. As

soon as it floats. Is that about

right? It's pretty much there as

soon as it floats. Because it's

fresh, you don't need to cook it

much. Look at that! We can grab

that out now. Pass me that plate

there, darling. It's clearly

perfectly done. Clearly. I need a

spoon, I think. I know. Hajj on. -- hang on.

Chop into that. That egg will be

alright? The egg will be fine.

Basically what we do normally is

make a butter sauce to go make a butter sauce to go onto

there, which is taking a bit of

time plee. put this over the top so

you can have a look at. It jump into that. Look at that!

That's the kind of thing you serve

with brown butter, a bit of sort of

olive oil and parmesan, like I've

just done, is really good as well.

White truffle is a big friend of

that as well. Oh my God! Good? It's

light as well. So good and so

simple! Tobie, you're a genius!

That was a quick segment. Flew

through it. We need to get you back

for sauces. That could be a

breakfast. Yeah. Init's breakfast. Yeah. Init's really light. Beautiful job. Cheers. You

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