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This Program is Captioned Live. Hello and welcome to Stateline. I'm Chris alive to the sound Coming up - Canberra suburbs

and we celebrate with alive to the sound of music,

20 years of and we celebrate with caveats

some revealing insights from the early politician s, of pride and

of pride and regret. But first - the ACT Budget, a curious mix of big spending and deferred savings, where holes, efficiency dividends and the big one - community Consul taeths - have dominated the week. This community needs to protect this community and the need for a community this community will talk to the

- Community. Community. Community. community

know the community wants - 2,000 jobs in talking toing to community. There was time spent

community. Across the Canberra community and that is impact on our community community and that is having an

service. You may have notice add recuring theme week. This time last year we add recuring theme this

were sitting here campaign against the community enough. However, was that we didn't consult with was that we didn't

the confused. It's expected to the community is a little

welcome massive spending infrastructure and local projects, but at the same time contribute ideas towards government saving of Government is initiatives. The core business

manage the Budget. Now, if you of Government is to actually

have to ask every time should we manage the Budget, then you're in trouble. What you have before you is an extremely honest picture of the Budget and the challenges ahead and the fact that we do need talk to the community about finding safes in the order of $97 million. I thought it was reasonably responsible given the times we're in and someone needs to take some hard decisions. They call it a 7-year get back on track. So don't know what that really 7-year get back on track. So I

means. This appears to be more than anything a delaying tactdic until they can figure out what they actually should do. If I was a in the ACT Government I know do. If I was a chief executive

what I would be doing - I would be setting up my for a soft fall when the 1% be setting up my organisation

efficiency months time: We get to the efficiency dividend hits in 12

Budget and we find out we have months time: We get to the May

to wait another year. This is worst than Nero fiddling while Rome significantly Rome burnt. We're spending high and hard infrastructure, a record spend, high and hard on capital

well over $700 million. It seems to me to rely on Federal seems to me to rely on the much money Federal Government to get as

see how much they can spend. If much money from them and then

it's a Labor Government, will spend and if it's a it's a Labor Government, they

Liberal I suppose. I think that does reflect the times I suppose. I think that really we're in and this is a Budget does reflect the times that

for the times . The Treasurer yesterday said she wanted Budget for people to think this was a and gentlemen, Budget for the times. Ladies that ignores the also taken the decision that we need to tighten our belt just like the rest of is like the rest of the community is doing. Consult with the community a bit. We can community. Talk to the community. Support this

this community. There ongoing and long this community. There is

talking to our community. Most ongoing and long time spent

people are dg Dog things. Asking them to give up more might be just the draw Straw break s the camel's back. The pain is coming don't know where it's coming back. The pain is coming but we because this is a Government that simply does plan. There is a Budget it's even titled the Budget plan and it's on page 17 of Budget paper think the Budget paper three. Do you plan? Absolutely. I was very think the Government's got a

I thought she came across very much on Budget day. Not easy for got a plan. They say it's a circumstance. I'm sure they've

got 7-year one but they've probably

tend of 2009-10 people got a one one thing. I birr

sick of my voice and listening tend of 2009-10 people will be

to me. If they by then, I've done to me. If they are sick of me

properly: And by then you will by then, I've done my job

just about ready to take over the job of Chief ACT has now had 20 years of the job of Chief Minister! The

still debate the need The rot set in the No Self-Government Party became members of the Government, there was no going back. Often over the the temptation has been to back. Often over the 20 years

criticise and to mock but is much to be proud of. Melissa - up the, Downs Polimeni produced this special

of self-Government. - - up the, Downs and round yabts roundabouts of self-Government. It doesn't seem had just been announced and long ago that self-Government

a shocker and half of Canberra half of Canberra thought it was

an absolute early days of the Assembly were

of ideas, an absolute roller-coaster ride

personality, which kept us all on the edge of was a trial, it was the tribulation and it took a for us to realise that we were tribulation and it took a while

making history of sorts and we were pioneering a were pioneering a new model. Maybe the early days were a bit like child birth. You eventually forget the pain when you look at what the result, is In 1978, the Federal Government thought we'd have a referendum in the ACT on self-Government and thought, yes, of course people want to govern themselves and got a rude shock when people said. No what you people said. No what you have to remember with that refer is that the people had had - referendum is that referendum is that people had had 30 others or more of absolute benevolent dictatorship in dictatorship in Canberra. They had everything - the school, the hospitals, the roads, it was a wonderful place booming and everything was done for them by the Federal Government. So why would anyone change? The Government thought that it was something that Canberra ought to Canberra ought to stand on its own two feet own two feet and wouldn't brook any opposition to that proposition. Whatever the anyway sayers whatever those whatever those unrepresentative candidates oppose self-Government may wish, self-Government may wish, there will be no turning back. The early day s were quite appalling because the people of the ACT in a the people of the ACT in a way didn't face up to their democratic responsibilities and duty, if you like. They why are we having this why are we having this foisted on us? We don't Therefore, we will throw it back in their faces by back in their faces by voting for any candidate who was smart enough to self-government or no self-Government next to their names. The first election was very, very very, very difficult. There was a huge protest vote. A number of parties running in opposition to self-Government and of course a fair few and of course a fair few people taking full advantage of taking full advantage of some of ballot paper and way you could way you could say it was democracy in action were tree Free to have their say, to stand for election on whatever silly platform they and truly democracy in action, it made for a very difficult time. Then and afterwards. It could have been worse. could have been worse. Tin stability could worse. Looking back worse. Looking back on it it would have been amazing if would have been amazing if a Government had been Government had been formed after that first election and it had survived the whole different competing ideologies, the two page parties were in their in fancy and weren't in a very strong position n very strong position n the electorate. There were the no self-Government people, there were conflicting energies going all over the place. I think people clearly want ed to indicate at the indicate at the first election their disdain of this whole process and they voted accordingly accordingly and they created a very unworkable political scene. At the end of the first Assembly we had parties in a Parliament of just 17 member s, so it was chaos on a stick. But we ended up mudling through somehow. I was the leader of the Residents Rally and suddenly I found myself the leader of the Residents Rally ticket. When I saw the ticket, a lot of my legal friends sa said this isn't going help your isn't going help your practice. I was nervous about it all, there was circus there was circus around it, many people around many people around it were opposed to self-Government, with good reason. In with good reason. In the early days I think everything was first. The first sitting of first. The first sitting of the Assembly, the first Chief Minister, first legislation. We didn't have anything much to go anything much to go on at the time. So time. So really with everything being so new was a time of tremendous hard work and really at times hoping for the best. It was hoping for the best. It was a landmark victory for ACT women and for Australian women and Rosemary Follett was breaking new ground. She had to deal in a male dominated political arena in terms of intergovernmental relations intergovernmental relations and relations with the relations with the Federal Government. So I think the ACT should be very pleased that it led the way in that regard. It was the first woman to be elected to lead at the State or Tet level honour and I think looking back now I didn't really understand at the time just what a change that was. But, another first for the the first self-Government election in 1989, four out of 17 were no self-Government or ash lish. John Stevens ash lish. John Stevens was the ob lish gefl soft and the - Government and the four others went into Government when Trevor Kaine stood against Rosemary Follett in a no confidence motion. Oso we had four out of 17 self-Government and abolish self-Government. It caused instaithd because it with held seats from Liberal and Liberal Follett only had four seats for the Labor Party out of Assembly there were three governments - two of which I led. So it was very un stable, always very uncertain. You always very uncertain. You just really never knew where you were with some of the minor parties, the no people so it made for a difficult time. The was hard enough. But hold together such a tiny minority made it just that minority made it just that much more difficult . The real cause of the instability was Residents Rally managed to convince and conjive - convince and conjive - conyief and cajole the and cajole the no self-Government people support the Trevor Kaine and the Liberal Party in this con contact sh concocted Government which was the worst period of scopt Government. I fact that we weren't profession ally politically skilled enough. Three of them enough. Three of them join - Three of Government under Liberal Trevor Kaine and one of them, Michael Moore, quite properly washed his his hands of the whole thing and stood as an get on famously with my team until Michael Moore defected That was a highlight. He defected because we had formed Government with formed Government with the Liberals, subsequently of course as we all know he went into Government, into Government, direct Government with But they are politics, I suppose. I sometimes wonder sometimes wonder now whether there was more I could have done to hold together first Assembly. I don't know, it's mere speculation but I think that instability was bad for self-Government. It batd for the Assembly think it was also of the people involved. I think it was wearing on them and of course in some cases actually had to abandon the platform that they had stood on. The first assembly had been really tough. I wasn't there then but obviously then but obviously I kept a close eye on it. The no self-Government and abolish self-Government Rally, and important in the important in the second Assembly that we Parliament. And I Parliament. And I think we started that process and continued. There, Mrs Carnell, the candidate with the majority of votes is declared Chief Minister. I was really Minister. I was really lucky when I took over when I took over as Chief Minister in '95 and the third assembly that a lot of teething periods had teething periods had gone by that stage. And that stage. And there really was an opportunity to focus on what was best for Canberra, what we could what we could really do to grow and make Canberra a vibrant city for the future. No-one imagined before that election in 1996 that that election in 1996 that she would win. No-one would win. No-one imagined that until the opinion pole at the last minute that said she remote chance of win ing whereas before the Liberal compleetly dismissed it. Kate Carnell dominated that She's probably been all the Chief Minister, the most at ease with the publicsise side of the role. Yornt she's been Yornt she's been the most popular, she's been the most popular. Some would say she popular. Some would say she was a one woman band. She had energy and she had flare energy and she had flare and she had style. She was go getter. She enjoyed that. The implosion was The implosion was the worst by a country mile. That was just a shocking scenario. was supposed to be a great deal for Canberra.. The Kingston Kingston redevelopment arrangement was to be good the implosion was When I go to Canberra which is quite often, I always think probably a little bit of my blood out there on that grass that we painted once. grass that we painted once. But for all of that politics is about making hard decisions. It is about getting on with the job and job and sometimes decisions won't work as hoped they would. In the end, perhaps her style perhaps her style of doing things and getting things done made the ACT community weary with it all. Today announced my decision to resign as Chief Minister as Chief Minister and also to leave the Legislative Assembly certainly before the next election. She lost no-confidence motion because the two Independent the two Independent s decided to vote against her over to vote against her over the funding of the Bruce Stadium. And there were all sorts of allegations of breaching financial management, hints of corruption and stuff like that, but the fact is the Stadium is there. And day or every week or whatever. And there was no whatever. There were a couple of minor breaches of some public service acts, there was no moral terp tud or anything. So if she had had a majority, she would have she would have weathered the storm. I Was angry and disappointed about disappointed about that decision. I could see that decision. I could see that a campaign had been building for a long time, targeting her. And I'll give the Labor Party credit - they ran superbly. They built innuendo and half truths into an irresistible ible case that she had to go. Whereas I had to go. Whereas I think both the Bruce Stadium, now the Bruce Stadium, now the Canberra Canberra Stadium and the hospital redevelopment, hospital redevelopment, which the two issues that really were her undoing, stand as great achievements of that Liberal

that new Government to be able to deliver at least some of the energy that Kate has brought to that job. It was a difficult time to become Chief I didn't have a mandate. I was having to sort of deal with a whole number issues which, you issues which, you know, had dede stabilised the And so, giving the Government And so, giving the Government a sense of purpose sense of purpose and direction in that last 12 months before the 2000 election, 2001 election was my election was my challenge and it was a very difficult period. It was a poisoned chalice. The pressures - there were pressures in the Assembly that whoever led the that was increasingly likely

Labor had got its act together much more and was likely to come back into Stanhope, what is your Stanhope, what is your last ditch pitch sphwhe>>'re ing a change, we're offer ing an opportunity to go foofrd, unlike the Liberals who are saying we are another three years of what we've given over the last three years and I don't think that's everyone thought was impossible - win majority Government. During that majority Government period dealing with period dealing with the controversy over the Canberra bushfires, the whole issue bushfires, the whole issue of cutting ACT Canberra school which was a big issue both in the community and the community and in parts of the Labor Party. It led to a great deal of tension the Government and among the Labor Party MPs. By the end of that period I think there was a common perception in the community that majority Government was not a good thing. He never seems to be entirely entirely comfortable in the public eye and he himself public eye and he himself has said that. But he's learnt said that. But he's learnt a lot over the period of course experienced than was. Thanks. Clearly the election of four MLA s has presented presented the an enormous #2u7b9. That is unprecedented. I think we're still workings out exactly what it means. Where whether it means. Where whether it's the sort of Claytons Coalition but not in name, but not in name, or whether it's been business where an experienced, a very experienced Government team of Ministers has been able to outmanoeuvre the newcomers - the Greens: I think it's too early to tell how that's worked out. I think that the people of Canberra now having so much of a say in the decisions that affect them, being able affect them, being able to elect and change them I think and change them I think has to be seen as an advantage. The Assembly could be regard as the most powerful Government in this country, apart from this country, apart from the Feds possibly because a good idea on Monday can be legislation on Friday Canberra. In fact we should be a bit more grateful and appreciative of appreciative of how well we're run in the circumstances. There's been many There's been many diligent honest people of great integrity in that Assembly and I am honour and proud to have Assembly. A great sense of satisfaction that I was satisfaction that I was able to sit down and deal with a whole series of very directly relevant issues relevant issues to people in this Territory that be fixed up. It was certainly the best job I've ever had and probably ever will have, the opportunity to meet a incredibly interesting To really be able to make a difference for a And continuing that good jobs, I spent the week listening to local music, interests of Stateline. Despite a lack a lack of venues and decent paying gig, a a difference is thriving in Canberra, and it has a distinctly suburban sound. (Sings) # Look how fast I'm going # You can - going # You can - # It's not quite singing for your but for many bands and singer-song writers it's not far off. This is Bootlegs night at the Phoenix bar in the city. Bootlegs is the best place to come in Canberra for live It was probably one of the only nights that supports new and nights that supports new and up and konling talent but that in with established artists. I's a artists. I's a guaranteed crowd for a bad which is great. Everyone seems to be warmed up to the idea of music being

here. It's one of a handful places for emerging artists to perform locally and earn a few dollars for their (Sings) # It's just a game # Just a game # Just a game that you're in... stsh It is not that the people in Canberra know about it and it works really really well. Nigel McRae is the President President of the Canberra Musicians Club, a group formed last year to promote local acts and push Canberra venues to support support home grown sad fact about the Canberra music scene if we're talking about about it financially is that bands who are playing bands who are playing in pubs, playing a 3-hour set on a Saturday night are getting paid exactly the same amount of dollars today or less dollars today or less than they were even 20 years were even 20 years ago. Music has has become a kind sort of like a kind of paint that you put on the side of that you put on the side of the wall of a hotel to make the wall look more attractive so people will people will spend more money. Music is just part of that in general now. This sort of situation is where the music is central rather than being just peripheral. (Sings) # If you've (Sings) # If you've got that money, honey # I've # I've got the time # You # There's a talent here. Canberra talent here. Canberra is full of great musicians but of great musicians but it's often a move beyond the very move beyond the very beginnings of this game you've got to do a new song once, stuff it up new song once, stuff it up a bit and then it gets better. So you guys were - I don't you guys were - I don't say privileged privileged but, yeah, you guys were here. Technology were here. Technology is driving the other developments in Canberra music. in Canberra music. This is called a gorilla gig. There's acoustic events are held random outdoor venues at the city like this one at Mount Stromlo. What I do remember is the random people, the the random people, the people who have been in those locations for other reasons who have thought what is this have sat down and have sat down and listen and really enjoyed music. That is really satisfying because you know for them they've know for them they've found something they something they were really look ing for in Canberra found it at random. That's kind of sweet. In viets are of sweet. In viets are extended through social network sites and text messages, the venue is kept kept secret until an hour before the show. It's a way before the show. It's a way of combining local talent Canberra's natural setting. The first one we did was on top of Mount Ainslie and I think about three or four people up! And that can still happen. Sometimes they're Sometimes they're very small event and sometimes they're very large. It's all random but it's just the of taking these beautiful location and using them to put on some good performances. At the moment we've quite a scarcity of venues quite a scarcity of venues in Canberra but a very strong music community at the same time. So that's why time. So that's why you're seeing things like the backyard and the gorilla gigs giving musicians and the audiences what they want. Musician and music lovers getting their own community together to without having to pander to the interests of a pub owner interests of a pub owner or a club owner or whatever. We can just - we set our own agenda. So the Bootlegs and backyards are providing opportunities local artists to local artists to make their music, but making money or a career will need more than just backdrop. It There's z there a talent in the music scene that justify these guys getting paid for their we have And we'll post a link to the Canberra muse utions Club on our website on Monday. Before we go, a word about last week's story on the National Zoo and Aquarium. Stateline described the place as a mess when Tindale family took it over 1998 . We were refer only 1998 . We were refer only to the zoo's previous financial difficulty. difficulty. If anyone understood the story to be reflecting on reflecting on the previous owner, that was intention and we apologise any misunderstanding. That's it for this week. Back at the same time next week. Goodbye. Closed Captions by CSI

Hi, I'm Andy Muirhead. Welcome to Collectors. This is tonight's Mystery Object. It's got the letters TNG 450. What does that stand for? Stick around and find out. THEME MUSIC 'A collector of historical firepower, rare keyboards spanning centuries, Gordon judges books by their covers,

and a perennial favourite - Murano glass.' Evening, guys. Hey, Andy. We've had Murano glass on the program before - is there really that much out there? There's a vast amount, really. Yes. Because it's one of the most visited places in Europe, if not the world - Venice. And that's where Murano is made. The tourists want to take a little bit of Venice back with them. Yes.

And it's a very ancient guild of glassmakers there, so it's been going a long time as well. Yeah. Even you like it, Gordon? The old Murano glass? Yeah. I really appreciate it. I mean, I'm not so keen on Adrian's studio stuff, but, yeah, I like it. It's one of the few areas that we all agree on - that we like some part of it. All right, we'll have a good look at the collection a little bit later on, but for now turn your attention to tonight's Mystery Object. It's quite small but the numbers and the letters might just give it away. Looks very much like a dog tag, doesn't it?