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Clarke and Dawe on being in Opposition

Reporter: John Clarke and Bryan Dawe

KERRY O'BRIEN: Now, John Clarke and Bryan Dawe on Kim Beazley and the fine art of Opposition.

BRYAN DAWE (PLAYING THE INTERVIEWER): Mr Beazley, thanks for your time.

KIM BEAZLEY (PLAYED BY JOHN CLARKE): It's a great pleasure to be on the program, Bryan, and thank
you very much.

BRYAN DAWE: Yes. It's a pleasure. You said you'd be voting against the tax cuts.

KIM BEAZLEY: Yes. Can I just change that answer, because...

BRYAN DAWE: Well, no, it's a matter of public record, Mr Beazley.

KIM BEAZLEY: Does that matter? I mean, it doesn't matter when the government changes its mind. I
mean, John Howard announces a policy, waits for the lights to change and then announces a new
policy which is the opposite of his first policy.

BRYAN DAWE: Yeah, but you keep agreeing with him.

KIM BEAZLEY; Well, it's a bit hard not to. He's adopted both positions, Bryan. He's saying both
things. Everything I say, I'll agree with one of his positions, either the one that he's discarded
or the one that he's adopted.

BRYAN DAWE: But, Mr Beazley, what about these immigration foul-ups? I mean, these are Australian
citizens. They have Australian passports and you're not saying anything.

KIM BEAZLEY: That's right. But let me just say this, Bryan, because...

BRYAN DAWE: Hang on a second. I thought you said you had nothing to say.

KIM BEAZLEY: The point I'm making here, Bryan - and I'd like people to be very clear about this -
is that this is not the only issue on which I've got nothing nothing to say.

BRYAN DAWE: There are other matters you have nothing to say about?

KIM BEAZLEY: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. There are a large range of issues, Bryan, on which that is
our policy.

BRYAN DAWE: Mr Beazley, if you're going to say nothing about something, why don't you just go and
say it?

KIM BEAZLEY: Well, because you're making it a little bit difficult at the moment. I'm struggling to
get it out, Bryan.

BRYAN DAWE: I'm sorry. I'm not trying to interrupt you or stop you from saying what you want to
say.

KIM BEAZLEY: Well, you might not be doing it intentionally, Bryan, but you are interrupting me, and
you have been since the beginning of this discussion.

BRYAN DAWE: Mr Beazley, how can I be interrupting you? You said you had nothing to say.

KIM BEAZLEY: I haven't, Bryan, but for goodness' sake, let me get it out!

BRYAN DAWE: Mr Beazley, I don't understand where you want to finish it.

KIM BEAZLEY: Bryan, what we've got in this country is that we've got this government, this John
Howard Government, which says one thing to the Australian people and it does another.

BRYAN DAWE: And what is your position on this?

KIM BEAZLEY: Our position, Bryan, is that we're not just saying nothing...

BRYAN DAWE: You're doing nothing.

KIM BEAZLEY: ..we're doing nothing.

BRYAN DAWE: Right. Consistency.

KIM BEAZLEY: Consistency is our watchword, Bryan. We are a model of consistency, and we will
continue to be a model of consistency...

BRYAN DAWE: Race 4, No. 7? Yeah.

KIM BEAZLEY: ..and I think that's, as much as anything else, what people are looking for in an
Opposition. They don't want shillyshallying. They want certainty. They want to know what the
position is, and they want to see it consistently articulated.

BRYAN DAWE: Port Adelaide by 20 points against Essendon.

KIM BEAZLEY: Now, that is what we have been doing, and, in fact, anybody who doesn't think we'll be
doing that is making a very grave error, Bryan.

BRYAN DAWE: Probably Cronulla.

KIM BEAZLEY: A very grave error, and I tell you what I'd say to this Government. I would say to
this Government: you want rhetoric? We'll give you rhetoric!

BRYAN DAWE: No, no, Brumbies for the win; they've got to win sooner or later.

KIM BEAZLEY; We'll give you rhetoric. Stand back and watch this! You want rhetoric? That's what I'd
say to them, Bryan.

BRYAN DAWE: No, no, no, I'm at work. Yeah, no, I'm trying to do an interview with Kim Beazley.

KIM BEAZLEY: Because what we're doing is offering the Australian population, Bryan, a very, very
clear option.

BRYAN DAWE: Nothing.

KIM BEAZLEY: Can we get a tank, Bryan? I think some of this argument of mine would go a little bit
better if we had some ordnance just in shot.

BRYAN DAWE: Mr Beazley, thanks for joining us.

KIM BEAZLEY: A big tank.

BRYAN DAWE: I'll get back to you.

KIM BEAZLEY: Big tank. Got a tank?

BRYAN DAWE: No, we're out of tanks.

KIM BEAZLEY: Rifles? Anything? A weapon of some kind. Got a biro?