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(generated from captions) And you're watching ABC News

breakfast. There rr fairly rowdy scenes in Federal

Parliament yesterday as the Opposition used question time

to target the Prime Minister on

the introduction of a price on

been criticised for standing in

front of offensive banners

critical of Julia Gillard at a

Albanese anti-tax rally. Anthony

Albanese is leader of house and he joins us now from Canberra.

How do you feel about what

happened yesterday, inside and

outside of parliament there

doesn't seem like there was much

much progress in the debate around this important issue? Well because Tony Abbott

isn't interested in actually

debate ing the substance of the

issues. What we

parliament yesterday was the

Leader of the Opposition, the

alternative Prime Minister of

this country associated standing in forgotten of a

banner that was disgraceful. I

mean if that was a banner saying similar things about

would have John Howard no Labor leader

would have given an address

before it. I respect people's

their say. It's a great their rights to protest, to have

associate with the sort of democracy we live in but to

banners that we saw - I mean

not just one or two, but right

across the board, you know,

about genocide and about particularly the banners

personally den igrading the Prime Minister did Tony Abbott

no credit. It shows that she

wasn't really fit to fill the position of alternative prime position of

minister. This was

where you had One Nation there,

the League of Rights there,

Pauline Hanson wandering around

like she ran the joint and Tony

Abbott and it was interesting

the people who went out and the

people who didn't. They tended

to be the hard right of the

Liberal Party - Cory Bernardi,

Sophie Mirabella, Bronwyn

Bishop, they were all out there

basking in the glory of these quite disgraceful banners. What

about the behaviour

just the Opposition members who

were ejected yesterday, I think

there were 8 ejected and it there were 8 ejected and it was

pretty much a 50/50 split. pretty much a 50/50 split. Are

we seeing that sort of these important debates and is behaviour more and more around

it getting in the way of

progressing? Well, Tony Abbott's made a decision that

born out of frustration and

anger with the result of last

August election that he will just oppose everything and

oppose it in oppose it in a way that is incredibly aggressive, that incredibly aggressive, that is

not about substance of debates

or ideas, is a series of grabs and slogans, opposing

everything that the Government

does, whether it's acting on

climate change, whether it's

the national broadband network,

whether it's national health

reform, whether it be the flood

levy to help rebuild Queensland

and other disaster-affected

areas. What we see from the Opposition is their

But yesterday he was out there associate ing himself with

groups - I mean one of the

shooting organisations that was

out there yesterday as a group

of people who have a minute's

silence every year at the time

of Port Arthur, not for the

victims of the Port Arthur

massacre, but for what they see

as the injustice of John

Howard's gun laws. I mean these

are extraordinary groups. The League of Rights is an anti-Semitic organisation

that's well known, that we had

semicampaign rally for her Pauline Hanson using it as a

attempt to get into the NSW Upper House. You've got to

worry about the Liberal Party

and where they're

going. Without sort of going on

too much further and listing

those who were there, where do

we go from now? It seems like this debate's going nowhere.

The behaviour in Parliament

that. We've yesterday is an example of

this morning the Productivity that. We've got the news out

Commission said it would be

problematic to compare carbon

pricing poll s of other

countries which is very, very

difficult as well. What is the

short-term future for this

debate? Look, we'll continue to

argue for action on climate

change and we'll continue to argue, as one of the report s

from the Gratton Institute today again reinforces the view

that the best way to take

action on climate change is to

put a price on carbon, to use

the harness the power of the

market. That was a position

that was bipartisan a while

Liberal Party when Malcolm ago, was supported by the

Turnbull was leader, was supported by John Howard in the

lead up to the 2007 election.

So we've come to expect Tony

Abbott to just oppose

everything and to act in this

destructive oppositionist way.

But I think over a period of

time, I think Australians are

negativity. We'll continue to getting pretty

put the arguments out there.

The science is very clear, the

need for action is clear, not

just for us but for future generations, not just for the

environment but also for our

economy to position ourselves

for what will be a carbon

constrained world. We need to

get ready for that and the best

way to do that is by having a

finally, some of the key price on carbon. And just

players when this parliament

was struck, this new

made that maybe this is a good

way to get things done, a more

collaborative approach, is that

dream now dead and can Australians stop hoping for that? Well, we've got that? Well, we've got more than

80 pieces of legislation

through the parliament. The

number of bills that have been

defeated, zero. The number of

amendments that have been made

to bills without the support of

the Government, zero. So what

we have here is a majority of

the Parliament getting on with

the business of providing good

governance, building the health reform, education, national broadband network,

getting the flood levy in

place. Meanwhile over in the corner there there's Tony

Abbott with his noise and his

opposition. The Parliament is

functioning and the Government

has done is a conscious is governing. What Tony Abbott

decision to withdraw himself

from serious policy debate and

to withdraw the Liberal Party from serious policy I think many Australians are

tiring of that but also there's

many on Tony Abbott's front