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(generated from captions) for this week's State Focus Hello and thanks for joining us to talk to today. before the Prime Minister's Eleven It's a few weeks to go take on the West Indies in Canberra with Marcus Pamplin and later we'll catch up perfect at Manuka Oval. who's job is to get that pitch up for dairy farmers from Bega And why John Farnham is sticking we'll catch up with him soon too to Bungendore, the sound of ski-boats But first this week, Lake Burley Griffin - could be heard across Canberra's ski race event, now it was not an actual by ACT Waterski, but the start of a 4-month trial for training by its elite skiiers. to use the East Basin of the lake So how's the feedback been? who's the tournament director Joining me now is Ben McCulloch for the association. Hi Ben, How are you? Alright. you're a skier yourself? Good and I believe this week? You got out there in the trial Oh yes.

throughout the water, it was good. Yeah we had some good sets you guys. You know everybody is watching as an association? Are you feeling the pressure Oh definitely. a lot of scrutiny We know we're under give us a go and we're hoping that people we get a good result and when the trial is over, and hopefully get a new site. cause that's the thing Lets talk about noise, concerned with, preoccupied with. that everybody seems to be every time Will the noise monitors be there you are having a trial run? conjunction with the NCA Yeah, Environment ACT in monitors at different points have set up three permanent noise around the East Basin. when we're training, They'll be there all the time when we're not training, what level of noise we're - so they'll be able to tell us whether we are having any impact. how bad the ambient noise, and for the trial, now it's four months, Now just run us through the criteria probably when? so we'll get an assessment Early February? Early February. the 1st of November, The kick off date was officially so around the end of February, of the result of the trial. we should have an idea of the ski boat, Now the maximum speed would be what? during the training session, say for men slalem, Tournament rules, boat will never exceed that speed. the maximum speed is 60kphr, so the boat on the lake at the one time. And there is only ever one power behind that boat. That's right, only ever one skiier exhausting process for you guys Yeah, because it's quite an to train isn't it? Oh very much so. physical event Slalem is a very taxing, and the skiier is pretty much done. anymore than two or three sets it's not a huge area. Now the east basin, to do your training? Is it enough room for you guys Oh more than enough room really. is only 50 meters long The slalem course to turn the boat around, a small area at each end than that really. east basin is much bigger it feels OK to you? So you're happy with that area, on the lake We're really happy to be and to be given a go in the trial not that suited to Slalem skiing, Ideally the site is probably of the exposure it has to the wind but mainly becuase and Canberra's ambient wind. obviously you are doing 'Cause I was going to ask you, to suit everyone's work hours, a lot of trials in the afternoon in the morning so there wouldn't be a lot of noise for anyone that lives in there... that they have on the trial, No the restrictions 8.30am is the earliest we can start, but given that most people work, during the week, most of our trainings will happen in the afternoons. are definitely behind you Now the national Capital authority on this one, which is great. and some of the other rowing clubs Now the AIS and rowing Australia around the Lake, they are willing to give you a go, haven't been that supportive but support now? are you feeling you are getting that some of the user groups at the Lake, We have had some good support from reluctant to offer their support and others have been fairly and that's understandable. a fair go All we are asking is that we get after the trial finishes. and then we can assess the impact This is such a small step. I mean what do you guys want? for water ski ACT? What's the big vision in a suitable area Ideally a permanent training site impact like and not have any significant that allows us to train when we that would be the ideal for us. on other users, tournament? And when is your next big at Port Maquarie, Stoney Park We've got a tournament coming up first round of the series. and all the best with the trial too. Look, all the best with it February and see what happens. No doubt we will catch up early Thanks Ali Kingston foreshore keep an open mind Well, as residents around the about the waterski trial, have embraced the news another group of Canberrans detention centre that the city's new juvenile is going up in their backyard. behind the Canberra Racecourse 30 hectares of pastoral land to the north of the CBD, and Exhibition Park, for the new Qamby detention centre, will be the site are happy about. and residents of Gunghalin and Peter Coggan from the Gunghalin Joining me now are Roma Hosking Community Council Welcome. of hearing this news, Let's talk about the joy residents where quamby exists now because I wish the Red Hill don't. Any reservations at all Roma? would feel the same way, but they Not many. is that it be well run, The only reservation I would have but also lots of opportunity with the local community, for those young poeople to interact like apprenticeships to be trained in jobs and to have a better hope in life. also looking after these young folk So you are saying the community that will be in the detention centre, is that what you are saying? giving them some hope for the future, Yes, that's what I am saying. I think just to be locked away as though detention centre is a stepping to jail is not the mind set we want to have. We want to have a mind set of OK, things aren't so good at the moment, buthtey can be better, let's make it better still. Staying positive. Now, Peter you have been out to the site, you had a bit of a walk around, not much there at the moment. It's a green open area, it's very flat site. 30 hectares site, so it's got potential for it to be narrowed down to a ten hectare site and within that, I think the cost effectiveness of establishing the institution would be fairly minimul becuase there is no hills or... Just how close is it to housing or is it quite separate from any residential development? Very separate. There's no housing within site of the area, so it's got a clean slate and it's a grand opportunity to provide these children, who are aged 8 to 18, with a really good area and an opportunity to really have a fresh start in life. It's their last chance before they are adults, so the community owes that to them, I think. Now if residents have any social concerns of escapes or an increase in petty crime as a result of this, the fact is it's a state of the art centre, it's going to be a $40 million complex, so the problems they have had at Red Hill, they are not going to get here. Some people might be worried about a bad element. I believe that could be minimal I think kids just hanging around the street can be a problem, so I don't see why these would be any more of a problem necessarily. And Peter too, the infrastructure with a projuect like this, it can only benefit the community as a whole can't it? Well once it's established, it will bring some jobs to the area, 50 - 100 jobs and Gunghalin, a growing area in Canberra really needs that for a foundation to help the community develop. It is a most welcome project for our community. It's wonderful to see the residents of Gunghalin so positive about this. Look, thank you for dropping by, and we'll leave it there. Appreciate your time today Thank you very much Thank you Ali, we like to be here. OK after the break, the new anti-terrorist laws and the ANU human rights lawyer who puts it all in plain English. She joins us next on State Focus. Throughout the ACT and southern NSW you are watching State Focus. And now to the Howard government's new counter-terrorism laws and exactly how will they impact on the way we think and speak. The ACT's Chief Minister Jon Stanhope was really the first political voice to question the constitutional aspects of the laws, after giving our next guest a call and leaning on her expertise on human rights laws and Professor Hilary Charlesworth from Canberra's ANU is with us now. Hi Hilary, how are you? Good thank you. Let's have a talk about the Cheif Minister because when he took that drastic step to post you know, the draft legislation on his website, do you think it got the issue noticed? Well, I think it did. I think it was a very brave move by Jon Stanhope because he has had to wear a lot of political flag, even from fellow Labor premiers and so on, who criticised him for releasing it, but as I understand it, he felt very strongly about the cause and he saw them as really changing the character of the Australian legal system and I think it was the dramatic nature of the laws that made him take the quite dramatic step of releasing this document on his website. When you first had a look at the laws, what went through oyur mind? I was completely shocked. I read through the laws late one evening and after I got a copy from the Cheif minister and I really in some areas, couldn't believe what the law was saying. It looked like laws that one is used to seeing in countries that have quite repressive national security laws like Singapore and Malaysia, so my first reaction was one of deep shock. I think there have been some imporovements, but essentially, I think they're cosmetic improvements and the real problems with the law, the fundamental problems still remain. And I do think what most ordinary Australians don't realise is that these laws will possibly effect them directly, but perhaps more seriously I think, it effects the very nature of our legal system. We are moving now through these laws, to a legal system where the role of the courts has been considerably widdled down and where it's basically up to the executive branch of government, politicians, the police and so on to decide many of our rights. I think many of Australians, if they could plow through the incredibly dense and horrible legal language, I think it would be quite concerned by what they read. Do you think the government is now going to feel obligated to act quickly on these laws? That once we have our senate look see, that perhaps they are going to have to prove that it was worth their while, changing these laws? Australia as course has passed quite tough security laws in 2002 and 2003 and what little we know is those laws haven't been used a great deal, they have been used in a small number of cases, so what seems to be happening from the information we have, is we have these quite draconian laws but they are not immediately put into action and it raises the question how essential are they? The guilt by association overtones, that concerns an awful lot of people. The ammendments that htey have made. Have they changed any of that at all? They haven't, I think what ordinary Australians might need to be aware of is that these laws basically allow the Australian Federal police in some cases to act on a sense of reasonable suspicion about a person. Now as we all know it is possible to have reasonable suspicions that are quite unfounded. You might think that person looks a bit dodgy, he is sitting next to me on the bus and then it turns out they were absolutely innocent. I think the real problem with the law is that they don't give the chance to actually test a reasonable suspicion. In other words, a lot is placed on a member of the Australian Federal polices reasonable suspician about a person. And as the president of the human rights and equal opportunity, John Bondusa pointed out last week, he gave quite a good example, he said what about if you were phoning up a dog walker and so you had many calls to the dog walkers mobile phone because you were going away and your dog needed walking and unknown to you that dog walker was somebody who was engaged in terrorist activities, I don't want to cast those on dog walkers generally, but if that happened and your phone number was recorded a lot on their mobile phone records and the police got hold of you, it's possible for an ordinary Australia to, if the police have a suspician about you to be detained for up to 14 days, pretty well in commudicad, you can tell one member of your family not, you can not say I am detained, you have to say I am safe do not worry and that is all. Imagine, one of the things I was wandering is somebody with teenage children, what if, this is a rather light hearted thing, what if teenage children get on to this and say I am safe don't worry and I'll see you when I see you. The laws what is really problematic is that they allow detention and they allow only the most marginal communication with anxious family and friends. In other words, somebody who isn't, there is no evidence of a crimnal attack is treated worst than if they are being charged with a criminal offence. I guess what we're hoping from the senate inquiry, is that we get some reasonable arguments and some reasonable thought into those laws. Are you confident that the senate sort of looks so you can have its effect? Well I would encourage anybody who feels strongly about these issues, to make a submission to the senate enquiry, I think that's a really good way for.. And don't be scared about that, just go in and say what you think. Yes, all you can do, you can write them a post card if you just send a one page letter if people want to understand more about these laws, there are some terrific documents available on the website at the human rights and equal opportunity commission, to go and understand a little bit about the laws and just write in to our politicians, write into the senate and say, look we are concerned, please explain to us why these laws are necessary, why are we creating a class of people who are not wicked enough to be charged as criminals, but they are wicked enough to be held in detention for up to 14 days. Also I think people should be aware that this can happen to kids of 16 and above. I am the mother of a 16-year-old and that really struck me, I mean how appalling if ones child was being held affectively in commudicado in this way. I'll have to leave it there, let's hope that we get a good out come from the senate. Thank you very much for joining us Hiilary Charlesworth That's a pleasure. Now to the lush, rolling hills of the Bega Valley where on the surface the dairy cows look happy, and the drought has been beaten. But a new anxiety has set in for farmers in the region, because of the growing rate of the dreaded fireweed. This is what fireweed looks like. Pretty enough with its pink bloomage but farmers have described it as the cancer of the land, because it is poisonous at all stages of its life cycle. Jock Laurie is president of the NSW Farmers Association and he joins us on the line now. Hi Jock, look I belive this fire weed is covering like 170,000 hectares of farm land in the Bega shire, is that right? Yes, it's about 80% of the area down there. Yes that's the size of the ACT by the way, it's an awful lot of land. Why are we seeing more of it lately? One of the things that fire weed likes is, no competition and I think with the drought over the last few of years, it's opened up a bit and taken some of the pastures out and allowed some of these obnoxious weeds to get in there and dominate that's what's happened this year or depending where you are, in other parts up in the north coast for instance, it's not quite as bad where the pastures are a bit thicker as much up there. So how do you kill it basically? Well people have been spraying and they are using chemical spray at the cost of about $40 a hectare and then on top of that you have got the later component, but also you have got withholding periods, with chemicals which can be very disruptive as far as stock movements around on the place. I think what they are asking for is much as anythin now is that is to do a bit of work to see whether we can get some sort of a biological control an agent in there which can come in and actually work away while you are in bed of a night, work away and chew away at the stuff and actually kill it, so there are biological controls in other weeds and plants around the world and I think that opportunity .5here with this one. I guess there is an awful lot of farmers down there that are very concerned. They reckon it's worse than the drought in some areas. Look I'll leave it there Jock, thanks a lot for taking time today to have a chat to us. That's a pleasure. When singer John Farnham decided to retire after his "Last Time" tour, The Voice found himself spending alot more time on his property just out of Melbourne and catching up with neighbours, who were doing it tough in the drought. So when the Dairy Farmers company was putting together a campaign to Create Greener Pastures for Australia's dair farmers, John Farnham couldn't grab his Akubra quick enough I'm very luck, I spent a lot of time in the country. I ride horse, I work with cattle all the time, I ride cattle working with the horses and I thoroughly enjoy it. I know a lot of the guys out there who are suffering. I have animals who, I breed horses, I have animals that have to eat off the ground. I know what it's like when there is nothing there for them to eat. I know what it's like when you really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to buy a bail of hay. I've seen it so you know, I'm not only helping people I don't know, I am helping people I care about and people I love. Farmers are the back bone of our country, I think if we can entice people into buying dairy farmers goods, or not only dairy farmers goods, any Australian made and owned goods, it's going to benefit everybody, not just the farmers, its' going to trickle down. There is a huge effect that it will have, the money stays in this country, doesn't go away and it gets distributed among our own. I am very passionate about Australia and I believe Aussie farmers represent the essence of our country, our love of the land, our determination, our Aussie battler spirit and of course our commitment to family life and values. So Martin how long have you been on the land? I've been on the land all my life. I was born on a dairy farm, dad liked the outside work and he became a dairy farmer. Farming is our nations past and an important part of our future. So, in learning more about dairy farmers, I discovered that we share some common passions. A love of country life, a desire to see rural Australia succeed and grow. Great admiration for the proud people that make up our communities and I don't mind a bit of their cheese either just quietly. John Farnham lending his support to dairy farming communities across Australia. Stay with us, we'll be back with a preview of the P-M's Eleven cricket match and making Manuka Oval the perfect pitch That's next on State Focus. If you've been wondering who to turn to for Broadband Internet, the choice has never been simpler, because with Optus you'll enjoy 6 months free broadband when you also have an Optus home phone or eligible mobile plan. Plus you'll receive $0 connection. So call now, because we'll also give you a free pre-paid mobile package worth up to $319 dollars. The choice is simple. So call 1800 555 558 now. Yeah. You are watching State Focus Well, it's going to be the event that really kickstarts summer in the nation's capital. The Prime Minister's Eleven versus the mighty West Indies at Manuka Oval on December 2nd . The match a little earlier than the usual January date and it'll be the final match before the Windies head home. has all the details but prices start from around $20 for a spot on Manuka Hill. So with all the rain recently, how is Manuka Oval shaping up for the big match? Marcus Pamplin is the guy working on the perfect pitch and he's dropped by this afternoon How ya doing? Not too bad Now this rain that we've had lately. Is it a help or a hindrence for you? Oh, it's a help to get the grass green and getting the cooch grown in the outfield, but I just want it to stop in the next week or so. I guess is that just so you can get it looking perfect or does it retain a lot of moisture? Just so I can keep the grass cut and start my preparation on the pitch and that's going to take around about two to three weeks to bring it up. How do you classify the Manuka oval pitch? For one day, it will be very good and bouncy, but for any extended period of one day, it flattend out pretty quickly. Right, .5so how do you make a pitch bounce? Just to get that balance between moisture and timing of the roll So the key test that we see Tony Gregg do, is it - does it work? Yeah it's quite valid, because actually when he is looking to test the moisture of the pitch, he's, as he puts in that key, he wants it to get harder as he puts it in the pitch. So that's what that is all about? Yeah. Let's talk about the transition from footy field to cricket pitch, what do you do with the cricket pitch during the footy season? Up it comes? Yeah, you just hope for the best that it doesn't rain during the match of an AFL game. That it doesn't get too boggy and doesn't give you too much work. Right so you just turf it over do you? No we just wait for the cooch to come back through the profile and it goes in dormsy in winter and once it gets a bit warmer, it just comes out of dormsy and that's grown over the pitch. Do you play cricket yoruself? Yeah I do. I mean could you do your job and not be into sport at all? I think you still have got to be intereted in the game. You can be a curator and not play circket for sure, but you have got to have some kind of background and love for the game for sure, I reckon. Now, the West Indies, is there a way you can make the pitch more a tune to the Prime Ministers eleven than the West Indies at all? I mean they would be used to playing on quite a hard ptich would they? Yeah, I htnk you have just got to try and get the balance for both teams really. I thnk, you don't want to favour the West Indies, because... But we did win last time - that would be lying the pockets a bit, I think.. You reckon, we won't go there today. What's the biggest compliment that a player can give you? I think they have got to be happy with the bounce and the pace of the pitch and as long as there is something in for the bowlers, and it's bounce and the ball is coming off the bat quickly. I guess no feedback would be good too in a way, Sometimes it's great. Cause you could get a lot of complaints about it aswell. Do you hate that sort of thing personally. I do, yeah, I stew over it at night a bit, so. Another thing, an important thing I want to ask you, the grass on the hill where most of the spectators sitting, how is that looking? It's looking alright yeah Nice and soft, yeah. But bring a blanket just in case. Alright, look,. lovely to talk to you Marcus. I tell you what, it was a shame that South Africa didn't make it out here, but we'll do with the Windies, hey? Windies are a pretty colourful mob Yeah it will be. It will be great games, make sure you get your tickets early. Thanks for coming in. And while we're talking cricket and the man who has captained a Prime Minister's Eleven will be in Wollongong next Wednesday to promote his new book Steve Waugh's autobiography Out of My Comfort Zone is a big read a journey into the heart of soul of not just the game, but the man himself, so a signed copy might be just what the cricket tragic in your family is after this Christmas. Steve will be at Dymocks in Wollongong Central from 12.30 next Wednesday or you can get more info on the book at Well, time for us to pull up stumps for another week. Enjoy the rest of the weekend and we'll see you next Saturday on State Focus, bye for now. Live captions by Southern Cross Ten, Canberra.