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(generated from captions) here. Obviously heartbreaking here. Obviously

for you. Thank you for

talking to us this morning

Trevor Thanks mate, cheers. The Federal opposition has shown it is up for a fight on industrial

relations and that it will

not be supporting the Rudd Government's fair work bill.

The ongoing row in Parliament

comes as Treasury suggests it

might revisit its forecast

for unemployment and

economists say the job level

could rise above 7% this

year. For more the deputy

Prime Minister Julia Gillard

joins us from Treasury place

in Melbourne. Thank you for

joining us Good morning. Overnight Heather

industry group said Riddout from the Australian

"Australia would be lucky to

try to keep unemployment to

7% this year with Treasury

reviseing her forecast". I

will do you agree see is

right? These are tough days,

no doubt about that. We have been very clear with the Australian public that we

were expecting the global financial crisis and global

recession to hit our economy

and to hit jobs. Even with

our economic stimulus we said

we anticipated unemployment

would rise to 7% by the

middle of next year.

Obviously Treasury updates

forecasts from too many the

time. The next regular

forecast is with the May

budget and that is not very

far away. But I would say

this the t situation would be

worse without economic

stimulus and the Government

moved quickly to inject

stimulus into our economy.

More than $10 billion last

year and of course our $42

billion nation-building and

jobs plan to keep the economy

moving as far as we can and

to support Australian

jobs. About 54,000 jobs were

lost so how much worse would

it have been without your

stimulus package? That is bad

enough isn't it? It is very

bad Virginia. Obviously these

are distressing figures and

behind the figures, behind

the ABS graphs and carts are

from the stories of real-live

Australians who have lost

their jobs. If I could-up be

in there and I'm sorry to do

this but that is a really

important point. I was struck

last night when I heard the

story of a meat worker on PM

last night a man who has work

would his boneing any of would his boneing any

since he left school, he has been at a company for 30

years, he turned up, swiped

is the card and was

is the card and was grabbed

by security, marched off the premises and made redundant. He has five children and that

is the only work he has ever done. What is like there done. What is like there for

a man like that? I did

a man like that? I did not

hear that report last night

but I heard separately of

some of these distressing

stories about the treatment

at that meat works. For a man

like that what is out there

now is we move very aren'tly

to invest nearly $300 million

in more personalised and specialised employment

services for workers who are

made redundant including new

access to training opportunities. We want to support people at this

difficult time so we would be working with that employee and with others who fine

direct in the position of

having been made redundant. I

would also say this,

Virginia, I think that that

story about a real-live

Australian, a human story

tells us something about

decent treatment at work and

we obviously want to ensure

Australians are treated

decently at work. It is

always the right time always the right time for

fairness at work. U is always

the right time the treat each

other as human beings and I

think in these difficult days

with people being made

redundant that does mean that

taking that difficult they need to if employer are

decision they do need to be

mindful of how people are treated. When want to make

sure we get rid of work

choices because it means that

people can be sacked for no

reason with no remedy and it

has meant that people could

lose their redundancy without

a cent of compensation. On

that score how confident are

you that you can get some

negotiations done with

Senators Fielding and Nick

Xenophon. I think yesterday

during your press conference

you had not at that stage had

a meeting with Senator

Fielding about the right of

entry among other things onto

workplaces by unions where

they may not even have a

member? Did you meet with him

yesterday? Have you met his

concerns? I had a

opportunity to speak the

Senator Fielding yesterday

and we will speak on Monday.

I have been talking to the

Greens and Nick Xenophon. Those discussions are

continuing but what I can say

is work with Fielding and

Nick Xenophon and the

Australian Greens I'm

obviously working with people

who opposed work choices, who understand that it needs to

for working people and who be swept away, that it is bad

want the see a fair system of

workplace relations in this country. Yes indeed but they

do not want the see unions

swept in instead as the real

powerhouse when it comes to negotiating. I will on this

program that was Senator

Fielding's real concern

Fighter do I and that is not

what our bill provides It sort of interprets that way. sorttof interprets sort of

That may be the look of our

bill but is not true. What our bill is about is

providing a decent safety net

at work, an ability the

fairly bargain employees and

employers working together, cooperative workplace

relations, dragging

productivity. Our bill is about the rights of working

people. But what about the

rights of entry by union

Republicans where they may

not even have a union member?

Are you prepared the meet

Senator Fielding at least

halfway. They to him

represent the return of the

unions as the powerhouse when

it comes the negotiating?

Well, let's just get this a

little bit right! Current law

under work choices for a

union official to go into

premises they need to have a

permit that says they are a

fit an proper person, they

need to give 24 hours notice

and they need to conduct

direct properly when they are

in the premises. Unour fair

work bill all of work bill all of those things

are still there - fit and

proper person, 24 hours

notice, conducting yourself

properly on the premises.

Across industrial law in this

country over time even under

work choices, even under work

choices, unions have a role

in seeking industrial

compliance, in making sure

that employers are paying

workers what they should be

paid. That is good for

working people because they

should get what is due to

them legally. It is also good

for decent employers because

there is nothing worse for a decent employer than being

under cut by dodgy brothers down the road whose under

cutting the award and not

paying people properly so I'm

not accepting some characterisation that the

fair work bill changes these

things in some major way.

That is unknown in Australia.

Simply untrue. Unions always

had both historic role in

compliance and even under

work choices have had rights

to enter workplaces under the

conditions I have

described. On the issue of employers conducting direct

properly as you say, it is interesting commentary

emerging now as a final point of discussion, Julia Gillard

this morning, about the fact

that the control if you like

has shifted now from the

workers being able to call

the shots when it comes to

workplace flexibility. Now is

in the hands of the bosses

and that part-time work will

go by the by. If you go by the by. If you want to try to negotiate with your

boss about a better working

life forget it they will just

tell you the city at home.

What message would you have

about employers on that? My

message always in workplace

relations is it is about

getting the balance right,

making sure that there is

fairness in our work replies

and flexibility and employers

and employees are working

together and treating each

other decently. That is why

Virginia we have designed a

piece of legislation that put

the industrial relations

the industrial relations pen

did you lump in the dead

centre. We think work choices

shoved it right up one side

for employers, we do not

think that is right, we think

it should be in the it should be in the centre balancing the Ned and

concerns of working

Australians and up employers.

That is what should happen