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the Treasurer guarantee that no

manufacturing jobs will be

as a result of the carbon tax

and that global emissions will not increase as a result of

importing steel from countries

like China? Why won't the Treasurer people a say rather than being

guilty of being all hypocrisy

and no democracy. Order! Deputy Prime and no democracy. Order! The Deputy Prime Minister, the Treasurer. Look, toy thank the

member for Aston for his

question. This simply part of

the continuing scare campaign

being run by those opposite

because they haven't got the wit to put forward an country, Mr Speaker. They alternative policy for this

don't have an alternative

economic policy and they most to deal with dangerous climate certainly doesn't

change. He raises the

of a plib, Mr Speaker. Can I

tell you there's certainly one

vote in in Parliament, one yes vote in in this Parliament for

such a plebiscite. It is from the Member for Wentworth, Mr

Speaker. We know that they on

that side of the house are

bitterly divided over climate

change, Mr Speaker. We've got the position of the leader of the opposition, he's a climate change sceptic, Mr Speaker, and of course we have got the position of the member Wentworth who believes the position of the member for science and believes in a

market based price... Order! Order! The Treasurer will

resume his seat. Despite intervention from the member resume his seat. Despite the

for Dixon, I indicate to the

Treasurer under the previous Standing Order of the Treasurer might have been Standing Order of relevance,

allowed the response that he

has given. There was a at the start of has given. There was a change

at the start of this

Parliament. He must directly

relate his material to the question. The Deputy Prime Minister, the climate change, I'm talking about its importance to jobs,

I'm talking about its importance to future

very important that this very prosperity, Mr Speaker. It is

big challenge is one that is

dealt with in this Parliament.

I was making the point that

those on that side of the house those on that side of the house

are not up to the challenge of dealing with this very important issue and in fact

they are bitterly divided. Bitterly divided between the

Leader of the Opposition and

the Member for Wentworth and

then of course there is Speaker. You will be directly position of Shadow Treasurer Mr

relevant to the question. My

answer to the question is very

simple: there's only one way we can guarantee future prosperity. That is by putting

a price on carbon pollution.

If we don't act the cost of not acting will be far acting will be far higher, Mr Speaker. We actually have to

move to a clean energy future. The Treasurer will

resume his seat. Order. resume his seat. Order. the

member for Aston on a point of order. On the point of order on relt veb. relt veb. The question was

will he guarantee no jobs are lost in the manufacturing

sector. Order! There is

sector. Order! There is no

Standing Order of relevance. There is a Standing Order of direct relevance and that was part of the

the Treasurer of his obligation

to relate the material to relate the material that

question. The Treasurer. Mr he's using directly to the

Speaker, the second part of the question was about a

the fact that they are so plebiscite. I was referring to

divided on that side of the divided on that side of

House they did not take the proposal for a pleb to their

Shadow Cabinet. That's what I

was asked about, Mr Speaker, and that centimetre straights demonstrates how unqualified

they are to deal with the

challenges we must deal with in this country to support prosperity and jobs. The leader

of the Speaker,... Order. Order! of the opposition. Mr

order. Mr Speaker... The

rotation of questions it would

have been to the other side.

The Leader of the Opposition. Mr Speaker, I Opposition. Mr Speaker, I move

that so much of standing and

sessional orders be suspended

as would enable the Leader of

the Opposition to move the

following motion forth with:

that this house calls on the

Prime Minister to explain the Australian people why Prime Minister to explain to

give them a vote on Australia should introduce a give them a vote on whether

carbon tax, a vote that she

denied them at the last

election when she said there election

will be no carbon tax under a

government I lead and now rules

out a plebiscite. If the Prime

Minister thinks that the Australian people want a carbon

tax, why is she scared to give the people their say? Mr Speaker, this motion to suspend Standing Orders because, Mr Speaker, debate, this plebiscite can't because, Mr Speaker, this

wait. We have a government

which is now rushing to

through this Parliament a

carbon tax for which it has no mandate, no mandate whatsoever,

and it is typical of this frightened and frightened and floundering

Prime Minister that she has yet

again scurried from the again scurried from the chamber

listen to what rather than take this debate,

a vote on the biggest vote. She is running away from

policy. The biggest change that

the Australian people have ever been asked to been asked to contemplate. Mr

Speaker, this can't wait

because the first task national leadership is to tell national because the first task of

the truth. That is the first

task of national leadership.

The first task of The first task of national

leadership is to tell the truth when the Australian people are

Mr Speaker, what we had from listening before an election.

this Prime Minister was a

election. Let's not complete deceit before the last complete deceit before the

election. Let's not forget

what she said six days before

the last election. She said -

and these are words that will

grave - these haunt her to her political haunt her to her

grave - these are words that

will echo around this chamber

again and again and again until

this Government is defeated -

she said before the last

election, "there will be no

carbon tax under the Government

I lead." Mr Speaker, having

failed to seek a mandate at the last election, having refused

to seek a mandate at the next

election, there must be a vote

now. There must be a vote now so that the Australian people

can have their say on can have their say on this

massive change. Let no-one be

under any illusion about the

extent of the change that extent of the change that the

Prime Minister wants to foist

on them without a mandate.

This is the biggest single

policy change in our history.

This is not just a revenue

measure. This is a change that... This is a tax that

purports to change the very way

we live. This is a tax that

proposes to change the very way

we work. Every aspect of

Australian's way of life, Australian's way of life, every

aspect of Australian's way of

work will be affected by this tax and that is why it is absolutely imperative,

Standing Orders be suspended so

that the Prime Minister can

explain because a change of

this mag magnitude must this mag magnitude must be put to the people first. Mr

Speaker, there is no other have run away from taking this

tax to the people. We used to

hear from the Prime Minister

about the GST. Of course, she

doesn't refer to the GST any more, Mr Speaker,

had the guts to take his had the guts to take his tax

change to the people at the

1998 election and because Prime

Minister Howard had the guts to

do it, this Prime Minister

should have the guts to face

the people at a vote. She

should have the guts, she

should have the ticker, she

should have the honesty to face

the people at a vote. Mr

Speaker, let there be no doubt in this chamber about the

impact of this carbon tax

should it go ahead.

be a 25% increase in the price

of electricity and that's just

for starters. This suspension

is urgent because this matter

can't wait. There will be a

6.5 cent litre increase in the

price of petrol and that's just

for starters. There'll be be

an up to 5% increase in the price an up to 5% increase in the

price of groceries. There will

be 16 major coal mines closed

and that's just for starters. Standing orders must be suspended because the fate of those

must be debated now. Their fate should be put to a vote of

the Australian people. There

will be 45,000 jobs lost

energy intensive industries. There will be 126,000 jobs There will be 126,000 jobs lost

mainly in regional Australia and isn't that why, Mr and isn't that why, Mr Speaker,

members opposite are so

members opposite are so scared

of this tax? Isn't that why,

Mr Speaker, members opposite

are now openly talking to Prime Minister can survive, Mr Speaker? Because, Mr Speaker,

the only job that this Prime

Minister is really interested, it seems, is her own job,

that's the own job that this Prime Minister is really

interested in. We know her

record. She sabotaged the

former Prime Minister, the

member for Griffith. She sabotaged him over

sabotaged him over the emissions trading scheme. This

is why it is urgent that suspend Standing she can explain herself. Then,

of course, she deceived the

Australian people at the last

election and now, Mr Speaker,

and this is why Standing Orders

should be suspended, she is

trying to deny to the

Australian people a vote on

this matter, a vote on this

matter which is absolutely vital to their future. Mr

Speaker, it seems that this Prime Minister is now deaf to everyone.

is now deaf to everyone. When

Paul Howse, the man who Paul Howse, the man who more

than anyone else put her into

the leadership says, "I want a

guarantee from you, Prime Minister

Minister that, not a single job

will be lost,", she doesn't

listen. When Jenny George,

former president of the ACTU says I

says I want a guarantee from you, Prime Minister, that the

steel industry will be

exempted from a carbon tax, she

doesn't listen. We know that

such as the millimetre for Throsby, such as the member for Cunningham, are now terrified

of what a carbon tax will do to jobs in their electorates. We know that the member know that the member for Capricornia is Capricornia is terrified about

the closure of multiple coal

mines in her electorate. Why won't the Prime Minister

listen? Why won't she listen

to her own backbench? Why

won't she above all else won't she above all else listen

to the verdict of the

Australian people? The first

duty of politician is, first of all, to tell

tell the truth and then to

trust the people. Tell the

truth and trust the people.

These are the duties of a democratic politician and this

is what this Prime Minister must

must do. She must tell the

truth and she must trust truth and she must trust the people. That's why Standing

Orders should be suspended so

that for once, just for once,

we can hear the truth from this Prime Minister. I

Prime Minister. I have to say, Mr Speaker, in not anyone any more, who does anyone any more, who does this Prime Minister most resemble? Her predecessor. Her predecessor.

predecessor? About 12 months

ago, remember what it was like

12 months ago? We heard

constant off the record briefings from members briefings from members opposite to journalists, the Prime

Minister won't listen. The

Prime Minister is a dictator.

The Prime Minister is has

abolished cabinet government. The Prime Minister has lost his way. I Prime Minister has lost Prime Minister has lost her

way. She is more lost way. She is more lost than he

was. She is more lost than he

was and that is why even at

this late stage, she should

start listening and most of all

she should start listening to

the people. You know, things

are so bad for this Prime

Minister that just about every broken down old Labor war horse

now wants to come to Canberra

to rescue the situation. Even

Peter Beatty wants to come to Canberra. Evangelical even Morris Yemen were wants to come

to Canberra. He would be worthwhile having in this

Parliament, he understand governments all spin and no

substance. Why don't we have

him here as a reproach to him here as a reproach to the

Sussex Street death squads that have have done so much damage to

Labor. What we want Labor. What we want above all

else, Mr Speaker, is democracy

not hip cockcy and that's why Standing Orders should be dus

suspended. That's why we need

a vote. Is the motion seconded. The Opposition. This Prime Minister

should return to the House

immediately to explain to the

Australian people why will be deny them the right to vote on

one of the most significant

economic changes in Australia's history. We also think that the Prime Minister need to

compact to the chamber to

explain, and this is why I'm seeking a suspension seeking a suspension of standing orders, why it is that

the Australian people find her so untrustworthy on this issue.

In fact, the Prime Minister is considered to be so untrustworthy, so disappointing, so incompetent,

dare I say so misleading on

this issue, that just this issue, that just before came into Question Time, looking on the ABC website, they've got a little they've got a little survey running, about the Prime

Minister, and they've asked the

Australian public, this is the Australian public broadcaster, have asked the Australian

public, our ABC, to put in a

submission of the three words that come to mind when

that come to mind when they want to describe this Prime

Minister, and then with the

wonders of technology they

create create a word cloud. That word

cloud then highlights in large

capital letters the words "most

often used by the Australian people replying to about this Prime Minister".

What do you think the first

word is, the largest word?

Liar. That's what the

Australian people say, liar. The second

"incompetent". The third is "disappointing". This Prime Minister needs to come Minister needs to come into this chamber... The should be careful being using. Just because

using. Just because she's quoting them doesn't... This

Prime Minister needs to come into this chamber and explain

what it is the Australian

people describe her as a disaster. As dishonest, as ineffective, as hypocritical,

as weak, as hopeless, but in

amongst the words there is "Kevin". Why is it when you

mention this Prime Minister's name they remember Kevin? Because this Prime Minister

betrayed her leader. She betrayed her leader. She bee

strayed her leader and bee strayed the Australian people

be no carbon tax under

Government she led. This Prime

Minister having betrayed her

leader, having promised never

to challenge her leader, she'd

sooner fly to the moon or Mars

or play forward for the doggies, challenge she did, and

in this week, this week

in this week, this week long festival of Kevin's festival of Kevin's revenge, this Prime Minister is too

gutless to come into the house

and explain to the Australian

people why she betrayed the Australian people on the issue of a carbon tax. last Thursday, we were

subjected to the spectacle of the Prime Minister dismissing

out of hand the votes of the

House of Representatives and

the Senate, a majority of the Senate, a majority of the

150 members and the 76 senators

voted to condemn a motion of

this Government in relation to the Malaysian asylum seeker

so-called solution. Yet, this

Prime Minister having not

learned her lesson that she's

not above the will of this Parliament, arrogantly walks

out of this place

to explain why it is she won't

let the Australian people have

a say on the most issue facing the Australian

economy. This is not economy. This is not the GST.

This is not a GST tax which put

up the price of some goods and which which has been embraced by

countries around the world.

No, no, no, this is a tax that

no other country on earth has

introduced, a comprehensive economy wide carbon tax no,

other country. This is a tax that will send manufacturing offshore. manufacturing offshore. This

is a tax that will damage our economy because it is designed to damage our economy. It is

designed to go up and designed to go up and up, year

on year, the Government knows

it will be passed on through

the economy, cascading through the economy, because it is a

tax on energy, it is designed

to change the way we live, the

way we shop, the way we work.

It is designed to change our

behaviour by punishing behaviour by punishing people,

making people victims of making people victims of this

Government's ideology. They Australian people deserve a Australian people deserve a say

and we can do it without going

to an election, we know the

result of an election, we result of an election, we not putting them to an election. We are asking the We are asking the Government to

give the Australian population the opportunity to have their

say via a plebiscite. Let the Australian people have their

say. Why is this Prime

Minister so afraid. If she truly believed in a carbon tax,

she would argue her case before

a plebiscite. If she truly believed that this was good believed that this was good for

the Australian people, why she say before the last election there would be no

carbon tax. Do you know why?

Because she knew she would not be Prime Minister today if she told the truth about the carbon

tax. The question is that the

motion moved by motion moved by the Leader of

the Opposition for the

suspension of standing and sessional orders be agreed to.

The leader of the

house. Order! The house will

come to order. The leader of

the opposition and the deputy Leader of the Opposition will be be heard in silence. Mr Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition's followers have Ali

Moored of into a group of vooufss. They've been

listening to him for so long

that they've got it right. No,

no, no, no, no. They've got it

right, Mr Speaker. That's what

they're about those opposite.

Have you an extraordinary

performance today. Yet, now we have had Time suspended by the opposition so that they can

engage in their ego trip of the

Leader of the Opposition. The ego trip of Opposition so he can stand up

for 10 minutes and do his ranting and do his ranting and do his raving and

do his relentless negativity.

They swap around a They swap around a bit.

Sometimes it's the deputy leader, sometimes it is the

Shadow Treasurer, sometimes it

is the manager of opposition

business. You know one thing -

it will never be the member for

Wentworth. He can never even

get a question in this place. Maybe if we didn't Maybe if we didn't suspend

standings orders so often, so often, then maybe he would get

a question, which is a question, which is why we shouldn't shouldn't suspend Standing

Orders, Mr Speaker. We have this suspension on the basis

that it is urgent. I ask you

to take yourself back a little

bit over 24 hours ago when you

woke up on Monday morning and you read the paper and it was so urgent he was going to do so urgent he was going to do it

at 10am. So urgent he was going to do it at 10, but of course nothing happened yesterday. No-one was here.

Nothing happened yesterday. No

wauns here at 10am and nothing

happened throughout the day.

Nothing has happened today in the House of Representatives or

in the Senate. Nothing happened, in the Senate. Nothing has

happened, except that his stunt

has been rejected as a stunt. Why has it been rejected as a

stunt? Because so relentless is the Leader of the

went on radio yesterday to sell

the idea that this was vital the idea that this was vital we give Australians a say and when

he was asked a simple question, question one, what if back and they don't agree with

you, will you change your

position, he said no. No. No.

No. No. Because he can't help

himself, Mr Speaker. What a

farce. What a farce. You

could imagine a workshop here yesterday morning, you can imagine in the tactics room there

we got the front page of the

Telegraph. They look pretty

stupid. We got the front page

of the 'Herald Sun' they look

stupid. 'The Advertiser' they look stupid. They all ran this

this was going to happen. You

imagine the workshop. imagine the workshop. Let's

workshop some questions. Let's

do a little 'Q&A'.

question - will you agree to be

bound by the plebiscite?

Answer: no. You are a joke.

You do not deserve to be You do not deserve to be the alternative Prime Minister

this country. If you can't get

through. The Honourable leader

of the house would re zoom his seat. The opposition business on a opposition business on a point

of order. Why we're enjoying

this from the leader of the

house, he should actually

direct his remarks through the direct his remarks through the

chair and not individually

members. Order. I've just

explained to the leader of the

house he needs to address his

remarks to the chair. I will,

Mr Speaker, because the Leader

of the Opposition has shown in

any doubt, that he is unfit for

high public office. It is as

simple as that. He said

himself disrupting the house himself disrupting the house is not a sign not a sign I've disciplined

opposition. Disrupting the house is the sign of a

desperate opposition. What we

have seen from members opposite consistently in the course of the year but particularly over

last few weeks, is consistent, deliberate, planned pre-medicated conduct to disrupt this house, disrupt this house, he said. Does any one think, does single Australian who watches

Question Time think that this Leader of the

Leader of the Opposition doesn't have a premeditated strategy strategy of trashing parliamentary processes in this person is not a conservative, he's a reactionary who has he's a reactionary who has no respect for parliamentary institution, no respect for due

process as it occurs in this

place. What he has respect for

is the front page of newspapers

and we see it day after day

after day. Last after day. Last week, last

week, we saw the Leader of the

Opposition out there with an

apparent new victim, Geoff

deadier. Out there he deadier. Out there he forgot

to disclose that he was a

former failed Liberal Party

candidate. It gets candidate. It gets better

because yesterday on the front page of the Australian there was this man, with assistant in the store at Warringah mall, backing up Warringah mall, backing up in

this case not about his opposition to cliements change

climb changes but his love of

Work Choices. Two things he's

passionate about, hating

climate change and climate change and loving Work

Choices. The fact is, again,

again, when you look into it,

it doesn't take much, he and

his father do own the family jewellery store that was featured in the featured in the article through their family company. also the President financial controller for the Warringah

club. The Leader of the Opposition's personal

fundraising group out there arguing for Work

leader of the house will resume his seat. Order! his seat. Order! Leader of

the house. Order! Order! No,

the Member for Sturt will sit

there sigh the questionly. The

manager of opposition business on a point of on a point of order. The leader

of the house is completely off

the leash and while it is at

times amusing to find him so attempt to address the Spinks

of suspension of standing orders. He knows he must relate

his contribution to the

suspension. Leader of the

house. I wouldn't mind some

questions in this house about Work Choices. We could

indicate, for example, we might

even ask about the

investigation that took place

last year for failing to comply electoral dialysis donation laws of this laws of this particular

company. The name group company. The name group that's raised over $110,000 for calling... The leader of the

house will resume his seat. The leader of the house will

resume his seat. Order! The map Gurr manager of opposition

business on a point of order.

I move the member be no longer

heard. Order. The question is

that the member be no longer

heard. All those of that

opinion say aye. The contrary

no. I think the nos have it. Division required. Division

required. Ring the bells for four minutes. That's where

we'll have to leave Question

Time and the suspension of Standing Orders that Tony

Abbott has moved. We'll bring

you the result of this division

as soon as we can. Of course most of the discussion today most of the discussion today in

Question Time was about the

carbon price, the carbon tax, the Government also about the opposition

leader's push for the

Government to hold a plebiscite

on the question of the carbon

tax. Tony Abbott tax. Tony Abbott has told the Parliament that it is Parliament that it is the single biggest change single biggest change in Australia's political history,

that it will affect the way

people work in every aspect of

Australian life and it is the

first duty of a politician to

tell the truth. He of course says that the Prime Minister

did not do that by did not do that by promising before the election that there would be

would be no carbon tax under

the Government she led, says she must tell the truth

and trust the people and and trust the people and take

the matter to a plebiscite. Julie bishop said there's a

week long festival of she's meaning Kevin Rudd's

revenge and called the Prime

Minister too gutless to come

into the house and betray the

people. The Prime Minister as

soon as Tony Abbott got to his

feet to move the suspension

left the house as usually happens with these motions,

government MPs leave the house

while the ops speaking and

usually vice versa. The opposition, the leader of the

manager of government business in the house, sorry, Anthony

Albanese took the suspension

for the government and

questioned the seriousness of Abbott has said he would not Abbott has said he would not be

bound by it. Of course, we saw not only some discussion about the plebiscite, but a bit of

new rhetoric from both sides. While Government, while Julia Gillard has been saying that the Opposition Leader is

the Opposition Leader is all opposition and no leader, the

coalition cooked up a bit of its own rhetoric today saying

that the Government is all hypocrisy and no democracy. Andrew Geoghegan in Sydney,

some words being tossed around

the floor of Parliament, but probably not a lot of light

being shed on the being shed on the issues today.

Field feel says he won't back

it. He's called it plate it. He's called it plate cal stunt. The stunt. The opposition needs both Senator Fielding and the independent Senator Nick

Xenophon to get it through the

Senate and if Senator Senate and if Senator Fielding

doesn't back it, then it wouldn't go through the Senate.

Tony Abbott is not taking no

for an answer and is saying

he's going to continue talks with Senator fielding to try to

get him to