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actually an important step

forward. This is a remarkable

step conference has broken up without without any significant

new climate change deal is a outcomes. Government says the

breakthrough. The Opposition

says it is a nonsense.

Greens say it's a victory for spin.

Also ahead - Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court reason

states Sir Michael Somare as the country's the country's leader. Norway

allies and we're going to go went into Afghanistan with

out of Afghanistan together

with our allies. The Norwegian Prime Minister gives the world

his assessment of when both Afghanistan mission. countries should quit the

Meanwhile, the Pakinstani Prime

blockade Minister refused to budge the

blockade at its border, citing

a lack of trust in the United

States. And from another time

and place - the ancient

time-piece that survived Queensland back time-piece that survived the

it is just a link to my Queensland back blocks. For me


II's quadrant to me. It is the

fabulous cool thing I found in a bag of pipe fittings when I was, you know, seven eight. Hello, I'm Nick was, you know, seven or

eight. Hello, I'm Nick Grimm, you're watching 'The World'.

Action, reaction and rejection.

Political parties in Political parties in Australia

respond to the agreement

South Africa after reached at the climate talks in

South Africa after marathon

negotiations 1 94 countries hammered out a deal the Kyoto Protocol. hammered out a deal extending say it is just an agreement for more

more talks with the promised

2020 treaty coming too late for

the planet if it comes at all.

Environment the planet if it comes at all. Environment reporter Conor

Duffy. The Durban meeting was

the longest in two decades of

tortured talks. At last, there

was a breakthrough, of sorts. It

It has been agreed there will

be a new global treaty by 2020 limiting emissions. It will

include the three biggest polluters, China, America and force, although that hasn't India, and it will have legal

been defined. This is

actually an important step

forward. This is a remarkable

step forward that step forward that means the

world is showing that it is acting on climate change. But

the morning after, the

enthusiasm was falling away today. It is neither legally

binding, it is not binding, it is not ambitious

and it is certainly not timely

enough to stop the kind of catastrophic climb changes the

scientist are predicting. It

won't come into force until

very long time frame work, as you say, until we start to see action under a new global

agreement. Even the most bitter of enemies are United in their condemnation. The Durban

without any significant conference has broken up

outcomes. It just proofs that

this is going to be a do

nothing decade for global

Durban agreement is a case of action on climate change. The

political spin completely

trying to disguise what is says the Durban meeting has

delivered, but the haggling

over where the pain of the cuts

will be felt and when still to

come. If previous climb summit

are a glide pledges made are a glide pledges made in

exotic locations have fallen by exotic locations have fallen by the Wayside over changes is just one of the the Wayside over time. Climate

subjects for discussion in an

interview with Norway's Prime

Minister Jens Stoltenberg. We spoke

spoke about the Eurozone debt

crisis, Norway's commitment to country's recovering from the

bombing and shooting disaster bombing and shooting disaster

earlier this year. That's Jens

Stoltenberg coming up later in

the World. In breaking the World. In breaking news Supreme Court has reinstated tonight, Papua New Guinea's

Sir Michael Somare as the

country's Prime Minister. Sir

Michael was removed from office in August while he was in August while he was out of

the country receiving medical treatment. His supporters subsequently went to court to

demand his successor, Peter

O'Neill, be removed. Court has

ordered that Sir Michael be

sworn back into office

immediately. For more on this

story we're joined by our PNG correspondent Liam Fox. Good story

been the impact of this court

verdict there in PNG tonight? As soon as courthouse we headed courthouse we headed to Government House, the residence of the of the Governor-General, because Sir Michael because Sir Michael is to

restored as Prime Minister he

needs to go there and be sworn

in by the Governor-General. When we got there there were

dozens of heavily armed police blocking off success to blocking off success to the Government House. We were told to get lost in no uncertain to

terms by some very terms by some very anxious looking policemen. We went across the road to try to honour the situation from there

and we were told even to leave there. Right now we're in there. Right now we're in a hotel where the Somare camp is based. They're currently

making making preparations to head to

Government house so Sir Michael

hoping can be sworn in and we're

hoping to get to him then. Obviously a very tense

You can take situation there this evening.

this political - starting this political - starting with

toppled as Prime Minister? how Syria some was originally

Back in August Sir Michael had already been months undergoing already been overseas for some


in a hospital in Singapore. It

was while he was away a mass defection

defection of government MP as

allowed the then Opposition to

move a motion in Parliament declaring the Prime Minister's

office vacant. They elected

Peter O'Neill as his replacement. Sir supporter went to court saying

there was never a there was never a vacancy and

the proper processes weren't

gone ahead to replace him. The Supreme Court said Sir Michael

was not lawfully removed from

office. Peter O'Neill has not

lawfully appointed as his six sore. Where does this leave the country's government. country's government. Would Sir Michael Somare have enough

support in Parliament to keep

the job if there was a vote of

no confidence in the big question. In that mass defection of government MPs

were several members of his own

party, several senior members as well. The now former government, I

suppose, of Peter suppose, of Peter O'Neill

enjoyed a very big majority in

Parliament. It is unclear if

Sir Michael is sworn in as Prime Minister whether he'll Prime Minister whether he'll be able to function in

Parliament. Liam Fox in Port

Moresby, thank you very much. Climate change is an engaged in international relief

operations with warnings that it will make their work increasingly difficult. Jelena

Dokic Yves Daccord is the in the international Red Cross he's come for the National Conference of Conference of the Australian

Red Cross and tonight Red Cross and tonight he's taking part in a panel discussion at the Australian

National University where the Arab Spring and Afghanistan

will be the focus of the

evening. He's also speaking

about what he sees as the growing problem of international relief

themselves to be politicised by

donor governments and he says

bodies like the Red Cross need

to be at pains to stamp

themselves as

in the world's conflict zones.

I spoke to Yves Daccord earlier

today. Thanks for talking to

the World. I'm interested in asking you for your thoughts

about the evolving nature of

international relief work.

That's the subject of your speech to speech to the Australian Red Cross last week. Climate

change is one of the key challenges organisations like yours, isn't it? Yes, it is climate it?

is a major challenge not only

for us but I think for all the people affected, including

people affected by war. I think one of the challenges we

are confronted with is are confronted with is that today we have to respond today we have to respond to needs which are very different.

If I look at Sudan, for

example, bow have people with

needs which are confronted with

the war, the internal armed conflict there, but at the same

time of course have to answer

about migration, poverty, but

also climate change impact. We as Humians need to be able too unsettle this kind kind of

need, pressure of the people.

That's what make our word rather challenges these

days. We're not just talking

about the pressures caused by the movement of so-called

environmental refugees. According to some reports,

there could be up to 150

million of those. We're also

talking about the pressures that will be that will be created as a result of famine and increased competition

competition for scarce resources resources around the world. Absolutely. We all are

confronted right now by the economic crisis. world. economic crisis around the world. Maybe here in

Australia you're better off

than hay loft us, but nevertheless, this crisis has

won impact of course on poor

people. It is even more

difficult. The price of the

food has increased by, almost

doubled since 2008. The norm

is that the price of the food

is very high everywhere. As

enormous impact. We do think at at the International Committee

of the Red Cross the price of

the certainly one of the factors which explain factors which explain what happened in Egypt and Tunisia at the beginning of the year without

without any doubt. Of course.

global recession. As 2011

draws to a close, what are your

expectations and concerns about what 2012 may bring? I think

we will see a very, very

challenging world in front challenging world in front of

us. We're all wear of that.

The first element is we need to

be absolutely ready for the

unexpected. I know it looks a

bit of a slogan, but in my

organisation I can tell you

this is more true than ever.

None of us expected Libya, we didn't

didn't expect Syria the way it is, and I think we need to be

more than ready to see the

situation and being able to

respond to the situation.

That's one. The region which That's would be more difficult in

2012, I think the so-called

Arab Spring with Syria

especially and maybe a possible spill over on Lebanon and other

places in this region, I places in this region, I think

that's one to really watch out

very carefully. I think that

Somalia and in general Horn of Africa will be very difficult

with Kenya intervening in Somalia and I think we know

when conflicts starts to be a regional conflict, that has an

enormous impact. Last but not

least, sadly, Afghanistan. I

do think that 2012 will show do think that 2012 will show in Afghanistan in a very transitional phase where international forces are

leaving the country, one by

one, I know the date has been

set for 2014, but set for 2014, but everybody

knows in Afghanistan already

that it will happen rather soon

and it hasn't ane enormous pressure pressure on the needs of the people and the security people and the security there. Your speech to the Australian

Red Cross conference last week

included a few pointed included a few pointed remarks for You haven't named them. I'm

sure that's deliberate. You suggest suggest they may have suggest they may have lost sight of the need for

neutrality in armed conflicts and allowing themselves to be

politicised. What are your

concerns? The concerns of is

really based on what we see really based on what we see in every place where we are.

We're in 82 done trees. We're

an organisation extremely an grounded in links with grounded in links with the

reality of the people there. What we What we have seen in

contexts like Afghanistan, not

only Afghanistan, lath talk about Afghanistan,

there were sometimes a blurring between objectives. There was some military objectives or

some larger objectives like

stabilisation of a country animation building of a

country, with humanitarian aid being used to in fact stabilise

the country. I think that's

really a problem when you have

another humanitarian objectives

which are very specific. If you

you have a changed agenda and

you use humanitarian to do your

change agenda, a that has an impact

impact on the way Hume Wran is my own organisation. We need

to be radical, radically neutral, radically impartial.

It means base our work on the

needs of the people and not on political agenda. I must recognise that some

organisation, it is true, big NGOs but some of the UN

agencies have clearly decided to be one part of the to be one part of the conflict and when you're part of a conflict, then it is very

difficult to be neutral and impartial. To impartial. To what extent is

that making the activities in those areas more dangerous for the

the sort of personnel you're

sending in? In a conflict he's /* he's /* natural disaster the

situation is very different.

Have you the entire community's

willing to go and help for and willing to find the solution

and common solution. In a

armed conflict you always have

different sides. Of course

when humanitarian aid is

perceived as being favouring

one part on behalf of one part on behalf of the other, that's very problematic.

Of course that's what we have

seen in Afghanistan. We've seen in Iraq and other seen in Iraq and other places like that. It makes of course humanitarian actions more

even more challenges. We're more

more judge than before on a daily ability to to be

relevant. One choice bhiefd IC

SC at the Red Cross is to continue to be very close to relevant.

people. We're taking the risk

of proximity. We think it is

critical not only to be in the

bunker in Kabul or in Sanaa, but to be really close but to be really close to

people. It is true, we take some risks in terms of some risks in terms of security

and that's difficult to and that's difficult to balance

sometimes with our

outcome. That leads me to other

question I want to ask. You proximity with people. This is

something you've spoken about, what about the battlefield of

the future where increasingly

seeing the use of remote

controlled drones in conflict

situations. You've speculated

that one day we might see fully automated weapons systems being

used or cyber warfare being

waged. How will organisations like the Red Cross deal with the challenge of future battlefields where machines and

data codes have no respect data codes have no respect for your

first thing you need to know is

new neck toll geese new technologies is having eh an

impact on the way wars are

fought. We see in Yemen and Pakistan you have remote

controlled weapons used. You

course we've seen already some

cyber attacks are happening.

We don't know exactly what it

means. The big issue for us

is when you do remote control

war I think there is a question

not so much for the IC SC or

the Red Cross. The real concern for is about how do you in a war make differentiation make differentiation between's

legitimate military target, and

civilian targets. This is a very big concern for us. Yves

Daccord a final question, how do you Neil deal with perception in the minds of many people international relief is

often poorly often poorly targeted or

mismanaged or misused by

corrupt governments? How do

you overcome those sorts of reservations in the minds of

potential donors? I must say the reservation about the meaningful of

aid are sometimes justified. I think they there are places

where we've seen people not

doing the job they should do. The answer is about the

humanitarian. I think humanitarian. I think we should be very careful that our

communication and our actions

are absolutely linked to what

we do and not about intentions.

I think we Humians should be

very careful not to communicate not only our intentions very should be careful to communicate

communicate our action what communicate our action what is

we do. I would request the median tore more forceful right questions. Where do you

have access. Are you bringing

the aid and if you're bringing

the aid is the aid relevant to

towards people. towards people. We need to

accept people are looking at accept people are looking at us and questioning the way we're

doing aid. I think we need to be more strong a Morel ventd be than ever. Something than ever. Something to

dwelling on that. Yves Daccord

thanks very much for talking to the world. The former military leader of Panama

Manuel Noriega has arrived home. Last month court agreed to extradite the court

committed during the 1980s.

They include murder and

corruption. He has already

served more than 20 years in prisons in the United States

and France for drug and and France for drug and money

laundering offences. Coming up

in the program, the in the program, the latest critic of Britain's decision

not to back a new EU treaty. laundering It is It is the country's Deputy Prime Minister. frankly about relations with

the United States admitting there's no trust between the nations. Yusuf Raza Gilani

refused to rule out closing Pakinstani airspace to American

planes no response to NATO

planes no response to NATO ir strikes which killed 24 of his

soldiers on the Afghan border last month. The funerals last month. The funerals last

month of 24 Pakinstani troops killed by NATO aircraft.

Pakistan claims this was a

deliberate attack. It is still grieving, still US. We don't trust each

other. I think we have other. I think we have to improve our relationship so that for that for the should have more confidence in

each other. You haven't had an

apology from President Obama.

Are you angry about that?

Sorry doesn't make a deadman

alive. Therefore, we want alive. Therefore, we want to

set new rules of engagement and cooperation with the United States. Until then, the relationship

and so are NATO supply convoys

for Afghanistan. Pakistan

won't let them pass through its

borders until the new rules are written. The Prime

told us today that could take

weeks. CIA drone strikes could

be another casualty. The Prime

Minister sought to Minister sought to quash

speculation about the health

and future of Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari who

left suddenly for left suddenly for medical

treatment in Dubai this

week. He is improving

now out of ICU and he has been

shifted to his room and I shifted to his room and I think

he'll take a rest for about two weeks. Asif Ali Zardari, seen

here in April, had not here in April, had not suffered

a stroke, he said. He a stroke, he said. He also

denied the army was trying

denied the army was trying to

force the President to exit

from power as many from power as many here

believe. An Australian has

pleaded guilty to works as a

spy for Hamas. The militant

organisation runs the Gaza

Strip and is terrorist group by the Israeli government. Michael Vincent has the story. Eyad Rashid Abu

Arja has arrested at Tel Aviv

Airport in March. Airport in March. A Palestinian born Palestinian born Australian citizen, they been living Palestinian citizen, they been living in Saudi Arabia. While working

there, he met some people and

then he learned or understood

that one or two of them were

members of Hamas. The Hamas members asked Eyad Rashid Abu

Arja as an IT specialist to

look for technology to improve

wanted equipment that may

determine if a phone is being tapped. Eyad Rashid Abu Arja

did agree to buy a camera did agree to buy a camera to carry out surveillance carry travelling to Israel with travelling to Israel with his wife. He told one of those

guys, one of his friends, that

he intends to visit in Israel

and they told him, all right,

great. Tell us what you have seen there. Accusations he did

weapons training with Hamas in

Syria were dropped. His lawyer says Eyad Rashid Abu Arja was

simply naive. They pulled simply naive. They pulled his

leg. He didn't understand

it was all about. It friendly attitude. He couldn't

even dream he'll find himself on the bench. Eyad Rashid Abu

Arja has agreed to a plea

bargain with a sentence of 30 months. If the judge accepts

that and with good behaviour

he'll be released by the end of

next year and is expected to be deported to Australia. Britain

risks being isolated hand

marginalised from Europe after

David Cameron's decision next year veto a new European Union pact.

That's the view coalition partner, Liberal

Democrats leader Nick Clegg. The British Prime Minister

blocked the euro wide treaty because he couldn't get

guarantees to from more financial rules. from Euro-sceptics in the

Conservative Party welcomed Mr Cameron's actions but his neighbours have reacted with a mix of fury and bee musement. When David Cameron

arrived in Brussels to do

business or battle with all the

rest, he had his euro-sceptic back Ben uppers still ringing

in his ears. Will the Prime

Minister do Britain proud on

Friday and show some bulldog spirit in Brussels? This EU

summit is a defining moment.

Once in a lifetime opportunity.

Will the Prime Minister seize

the moment? And seize it he

did. By vetoing an EU wide action plan that included a

financial transaction tax that

would have hit British would have hit British banking

hard, he drew a line as wide hard, he drew a line as wide as the pleas from his European Council

ter parts to put national

interests aside, the man was

not for turning. I think it is

right for Britain to say which

bits of Europe most benefit us

as a nation and to as a nation and to focus on those things. I'm not frightened of the fact that

sometimes you might not be

included in something. Are we

better off outside the euro? You bet we are. In the Brussels's family David Cameron looks

like the unwelcome ed cousin.

Outside this tent of 26 European nations with just one missing, Britain. David missing, Britain. David Cameron asked for something that we

thought was unacceptable to

exempt the UK from exempt the UK from some regulations on financial

services. We think a large

part of the problem comes from the deregulation of financial services. David services. David Cameron was at

the negotiating table with us

and we made this decision.

What we couldn't do was make a

lousy compromise for the euro.

We have to set up hard

rules. Now looking every bit the

the Billy no mates of David Cameron stuck to his

euro-sceptic guns and and

presented himself as a rebel

very much with a cause.

Obviously you're in a room with

put aside your national 26 other people who are

interests, go along with the

crowd, do what will make live

easy and comfortable for you in that

that room but you say no, it is important we get the that Britain needs and so I important we get the things

decided not to sign that

treaty. On return to the UK, he

hosts a dinner at his country retreat Chequers with conservative MPs who were told

greeted him like a conquering

partner Nick Clegg certainly hero. His deputy Coalition

wasn't invited and for

by the outcome of last week's summit precisely because I

that over time the UK will be that think there's now a real danger

isolated and marginalised

within the European

Union. We're all going to have,

I'm afraid I did - They may

look and sound alike, but political pedestrian Greece of look and sound alike, but the

the Prime Minister be as a Liberal Democrat Coalition on very different paper. The

split on Europe the most

coalition serious crack yet in the

coalition war. I hear this


about the bulldog spirit.

There's nothing bulldog about Britain hovering somewhere in

the mid-Atlantic, not standing

tall in Europe, not being tall in Europe, not being taken Washington. Britain really seriously in

while yes it technically have a dilemma on its hands

they're still members of the

European Union, being European Union, being outside

this new gloopg means they're not at the table when not at important decisions are being not at the table when really

a per speption in Europe that made. There's another problem,

Britain played a spoiler role

need, they walked away. In and that in Europe's hour of

Europe of 27, it is Paris, the headline

finished. TRANSLATION: They haven't wanted to be in the haven't

European Union for a long time now. They were never fully

part of it if they leave

they're closer to the Americans

than Europeans. In Rome the

headlines Europe the pact without

Of course, the euro can be

saved. If the UK believe it

can live without us, we can

live without them. They never wanted to be part of it. They're not as European as us Italians. David Cameron says he

simply put Britain first and rejected changes that would

have damaged the economy. But

by using his veto, he has put

serious miles between an island

and a continent at a time of

crisis. I agree with Nick crisis. I agree with Nick Clegg

this intad deal for Britain

because we're now going to have

26 countries going ahead

excluded from key economic without us in the room, us

decisions, and frankly, David Cameron has miss handled these negotiations very badly. Brits

divided and they are outside. For all the angst

about who is in and who is about

of the new grouping, what

really matters is will it work? really matters

While the proposed tight

oversight of debt and spending

may build confidence for the

future, it doesn't fill the

here and now black holes. Unless they actually deal with the problems of imbalances and

imagine that this debt crisis economic growth, it is hard to

will ever get better or

investors will want to invest

the Prospect of sovereign

governments as improving. If

this latest euro rescue fails,

and it is possible Britain will

look back with a smug sense of relief. But what is certain is the decision not to join has created deep divisions within the

the coalition and beyond.

relationship with the rest of the coalition and beyond. The

Europe may have changed in no-one can yet predict. The

winds of change in Europe.

Let's get the latest wealth worlder with Graham Creed.

Still got fairly widespread

showers about for part of country but falls are expected showers about for part of the

to be very light. That

all the way includes anywhere from Brisbane

they'll Hobart, showers about but

they'll be fairly isolated.

We're not expecting much in the We're not expecting much in

way of rainfall. We could sea

ice rated heavier falls in

showers and thunderstorms. We

have a band of thundery rain

through WA, although that will

clear from the coast. We could

see moderate falls developing

over the southern inland of the

State. For New Zealand, an

east coast low that formed off the NSW coast will start to

move towards the country.

We've still got isolated

showers ahead of that, it's probably more late in the

evening that we expect to see some cloud increasing and that could see some rain could see some rain developing

overnight and into Wednesday

with some heavier falls about

on Wednesday. Through

South-East Asia we've got

fairly unsettled conditions but fairly unsettled conditions

most falls are expected to be

relatively light. We're relatively light.

expecting to see the potential

for an isolated heavier fall

but it is really due to higher

parts of South-East Asia likely

to attract those better falls. Coastal areas not looking at anything significant. We anything significant. We have

coast of Vietnam. anything significant. a weak trough sitting off the

further north up towards

Taiwan. We're expecting to see

the potential for an isolated

heavier fall of north coast of the Vietnam. Most other remaining generally dry at this the Vietnam. Most other areas

stage. Dry conditions across

most of China. Cold air

sitting across the far north

through Japan. We've basically

got coolish conditions across

the central parts. Very cold

about the far north though.

fact, there's the potential for

snow down to sea level at far

northern parts of Japan. You

remaining areas but not much of see that

moisture in the atmosphere at

the moment. Similar story the moment. Similar story for indya, relatively dry, indya, relatively Middle East, the far southern

coast of the Peninsula, the south-east of India, and Sri

Lanka we could see an isolated

shower or thunderstorm. Totally opposite story for Europe. We've got Europe. We've got extensive rainfall. Falls at this rainfall. Falls at this stage relatively light to moderate,

but strong to gale-force winds

anything north from Paris through to Moscow, further south it is not until we south it is not until we sit the southern parts of France and also Spain expecting dry conditions elsewhere.

elsewhere. Fairly cold cloudy and windy. For Africa, we're seeing widespread showers and

storms. Mostly through storms. Mostly through the eastern eastern parts, extending from

the democratic republic of

Congo and down to Mozambique and Zimbabwe and to the north-eastern corner north-eastern corner of South Africa. Cold conditions Africa. Cold conditions about parts of California in the parts of California in the US.

A low-pressure system forming A low-pressure system forming

across the region will contract further north through the

coming days: that will see at anything in the way of

extensive falls. Cold, windy

and showery for many parts of California.

California. Most of the

rainfall in South America is across across the northern half. Not

looking at overly extensive or

heavy falls. Through the south

relatively clear dry and warm.

Hello, you're watching 'The World' on ABC News World'

Nick Grimm the Greens Senator Christine Milne says Australia's performance at the

disgraceful. The talks ended

yesterday with UN member

nations saying in 2015 they'll

reach an agreement that will

take effect in 2020. Ms Milne

says Australia went along with

the US taking what she

described as a soft approach to

curbing emissions. Pakistan's curbing Prime Minister Yusuf Raza

Gilani says his country may

continue blocking NATO convoys

into Afghanistan for several

weeks. The move is to protest

against US airstrikes which killed

two checkpoints on the Afghan

board are last month. The incident has strain the relations

relations between Washington

and Islamabad. Panna's former leader Manuel Noriega has

arrived back in his home country following expedition

from France. He was convicted in absentia of crimes committed

during his time in power from

1983 to 1989. The 77-year-old

has already spent more than 20

years in prisons in France and

the US. Coming up later the US. Coming up later on in the World, in rampant New Zealand Australia to its knees with a rampant New Zealand brings

stunning 7 run victory in the

second test. Now to our second interview with the Norwegian

Stoltenberg. Prime Minister Jens interview with the Norwegian

Stoltenberg. He's made his

first official visit to

Australia in company with a Norwegian business delegation

keen on exploiting oil and gas.

Norway is a major oil and gas

producer. It is a country

that's put a price on carbon.

Jens Stoltenberg says Australia

as a major energy producer in dealing with climate change.

He says the Gillard Government

is on the right track with its

carbon pricing scheme. In a

wide-ranging interview with the

problems facing uranium and the World he discussed the economic

need for Norway and Australia

to keep military personnel in

Afghanistan beyond 2014. Afghanistan beyond 2014. I spoke Mr Stoltenberg before he

set out to New Zealand where

he's embarking on a journey to

since his countryman Roald Antarctica to Mark 100 years

Amundsen conquered the South Pole. Europe's problems at the moment. Norway Pole. Europe's economic

is not a European an union,

your economy would obviously be very depend dent on very depend dent on what's

happening within both those

entities. How optimistic are

you that Europe can find a out of its present you that Europe can find a way

crisis. I believe that out of its present debt

crisis. I believe that Europe

out of the debt crisis but it will be able to find their way will be able to find their

will take time. will take time. Decisions made the European Union before the European Union before the

weekend is not the last summit

or the last decisions which are needed. move into the crisis or create needed. Europe spent years to

the crisis to now and they have

to spend many years to get out

of them. This is just of them. This is just the

beginning of the way out of the

problems they're facing. Of course, Norway had two

referendums which rejected the notion of notion of your country entering

the European Union. Are Norwegians justified in feeling

a little bit vindicated in

taking that stand today? There

is a a majority in Norway

against joining the European

Union. I myself was Union. I myself was strongly

in favour, but I lost the referendum and I have of course

accepted the result of accepted the result of the verdict of the nor we gone people saying no to Norwegian

membership. We're very integrated into the European union by being part of the internal market. We're internal market. We're fully integrated

integrated into the integrated into the internal

participate in the euro market, but we don't

cooperation and we don't par

days pate in the political

cooperation in the European Union. Is Norway in a better position as a result of not being part of the European

Union or do you believe it makes little difference to these present problems? these present problems? I

believe we could have a he

achieved the same economic

results we do today if we had members of the European Union. members of the European Union.

The reason why very big differences between

European Union. Some of them different members of the

have managed through the

economic crisis with low higher economic growth, low

unemployment, so I think we

have to remember that there are

different member states and

they perform differently according to their according to their national

politics. This is very much to

member states are do with what the difference

member states are doing. What do you believe needs to be

done, then, to help prevent the

Eurozone plunging Europe and

the rest of the global economy

into another recession. I think

the most important thing that

has to be done is that the

particularly those most different nation states,

affected, who have the highest

debts, have to take national

responsibility for making responsibility for making the

necessary decisions. That is to reduce deficits, of course, but it is also to but it is also to promote

economic growth, to

their economies, to implement structural reforms, for

instance, the pension system,

and also to focus on the labour

market. The problem market. The problem now is that the high unemployment,

there's a danger that that will

remain high even when the economy starts to grow again

because people are in a way not

used to ability or the skills

to work when they remain unemployed for a long

period. On a different subject,

but related to, I guess,

being experienced, we know that difficult economic times often

give rise to extremists and of

course your country experienced one of the darkest moments in

its history this year. Are you

concerned at all about the

ideas of someone concerned at Behring Breivik finding fertile Behring Breivik finding

ground in the minds of those

who will be looking for someone

to blame for the economic

Europe at present? There's problems being experienced by

always a danger that when countries are especially economic problems and

especially high unemployment,

then there's the danger that

that might lead to more extreme

political views, extreme political attendance cease.

That's one of the reason why it

is important to avoid the

economic problems which many

European countries now are

it is so important to try to experiencing. Especially why

what we can to reduce it is so important to try to do

countries. Given the economic unemployment in many

reality, though, that Europe is

facing, will the rise of

extremists become a greater

problem? That's too early say for certain. I believe that on the overall, the European democracies will manage also this economic

crisis. There's the tradition for

for strong institutions for strong democratic solutions together without institutions for finding

supporting extremists views or

political movements are very strong in Europe,

after the Second World War and


European Union that has been in

itself a very, very strong

institution for promoting democratic developments in the whole of

whole of the Europe. Can I ask

you about your visit to

Australia. What can Norway and

Australia do for each other when we are when we are geographically located at the globe. Australia and Norway can

can cooperate in many different

fields. We can cooperate when it

it comes to business economy.

We're both major energy

producers. Norway is the second largest exporter of

natural gas and we have many

companies that are very

interested in taking part in the development of the

sector, oil and gas sector, of

Australia. Then we are also

very close when it comes to

political cooperation. We look

eye to eye and many different issues, like, for instance,

climate change, the need for a global binding climate agreement, but also we are partners in partners in Afghanistan and we

work together in the UN on many important issues like, for instance, the UN Millenium Development Goals. Do Australia

and Norway have a common

problem or a common challenge,

to use another word, when it comes to that issue of climate

change and being, as you say, both nations being

providers - mining and the use

of natural resources are a key

part of the wealth generated by

both countries. Yes, we common challenge in the way

we're both big energy producers

and mining countries and, at

the same time, we're very eager

to do something with global

warming. I think that just

illustrates the big dilemma the

world is facing, and that is we

need to leave vat poverty to.

Do to we need more energy. promote economic growth, promote economic growth, to reduce poverty. At the same

time, we need reduced emissions

of greenhouse gases. We cannot

choose between either

environment or economic growth.

We need both. Then the

challenge is how can we combine

the need for more energy with

the need for reduesed

emissions. I think Australia

and Norway are also be of facing that double challenge by developing more environmentally friendly

technology. You've congratulated Australia's technology. You've

government on the passage of

its clean energy future legislation. Is Australia on

the right track, in your view, when it comes to its to tackling climate change? I

believe so because I believe so because I believe it

is very wise to rely on market

based mechanisms to use carbon

pricing because carbon pricing

has a double positive effect. has a double positive effect.

It reduces emissions, but it

also gives the incentives for developing clean and therefore also making it

profitable to be

environmentally friendly. We

have had carbon pricing CO2

taxation, in Norway since 1991, and that has led to a very strong development of clean

technology and many companies

are now making big profits,

earning money out of delivering

technologies which are reducing

the CO2 emissions. I believe

that pricing carbon makes the polluter pay is the right

principle ands the best way of reducing emissions. In relation

to Afghanistan, when is the

right time for nations like

Australia and Norway, who are

both engaged in that country, to get out? The plan is to

finish the transition by the

end of 2014 and Australia as Norway went into Afghanistan

with our allies and we're going

together with our allies. Then to go out of Afghanistan

of course also of course also after 2014

Afghanistan will need international help, economic help, humanitarian help, I

guess some kind of military presence, for instance,

of assistance. Would military advisers and that kind

anticipate Norwegian and of assistance. Would you

Australian military personnel

continuing to play some sort of

role beyond 2014? Perhaps a limited role. The reduction - we will not limited role. The major

scale we have today, scale we have today, but I

believe, at least it is a possibility, that some possibility,

countries, it might be Australian Government to Australia, that's up to the

decide, it might be Norway,

we'll have some kind of

advisers, trainers, at least, after 2014. That's not yet

decided but at least there's a

possibility even if we have

fulfilled the transition of responsibility of security to

the Afghan army. We have the United States in particular acknowledgments this year that

needs to engage with the

Taliban in Afghanistan and

bring them on board any sort bring them on board any sort of

resolution for the

under way in that country.

Would you share that view?

Yes, I believe that in the

long run there has to be kind of dialogue with long run there has to be some

kind of dialogue with the

Taliban exactly what kind of dialogue within what kind dialogue within what kind of

framework, well, that has yet

to be decided. We would to be decided. We would all like to see like to see a stable

Afghanistan without fighting

and I think a precondition for

that has to be that in one way

or another, it has to or another, it has to include the Taliban. Could that be Taliban government in

Afghanistan once again? Our

and the Afghans able to aim is to make Afghanistan able aim is to make Afghanistan

and the Afghans able to decide

themselves who is going to govern

govern in Afghanistan. Any kind of regime like the Taliban

regime we had before 2001 it will be a violation of human

rights, it will be a violation

of everything we believe in

when it comes to democracy.

Even if I'm in favour of some kind of dialogue with I would really do whatever I

can to avoid the same kind of Taliban we had before 2001. Jens Stoltenberg, you very much for talking to Taliban

'The World'. Thank you.

100 years ago today the British declared Delhi the new

Indian capital. The

anniversary has triggered

debate within India about how

where it fits in the history of to mark its colonial past

a major city. That stretches

back almost 1000 years. India

Gate and Rajpath in Ken tral

Delhi are fashioned on the design of Europe. But the

columns and domes of the city's

great buildings are a unique of

influences. You can't call British colonial and local

the architecture of New the architecture of New Delhi British. It has British. It has British characteristics, but it is also

got eastern charge risk you ticks. The British declared New

Delhi the capital in They thought they'd be here finished Delhi the capital in 1911 and

forever, but the colonisers

were not great due dents of

history. There's a prophecy

whoever build a new city in

Delhi lose it and this has been

true for 200 years. Everyone

has build it took 16 years for

the Brits to lose it after New

Delhi was built. 7 other great cities have been built in and

around Delhi reminds of its past everywhere from Humayun's

tomb which the pre-curser to the Taj

the Taj Mahal to the Jama bustling market of Chandni Masjid which towers over the

Chowk, the location has always Chowk, the location has

made Delhi a natural capital

for India. It cards the passes

the gang from the Khyber Pass, controls

the gang geese, it is the most

declared this the capital fertile area. Since plinth

greater New Delhi has grown

from a city offy00 thousand to a metropolis of 26 a metropolis is the undisputed centre of

Indian power. I think it is

worth marking. worth marking. Celebrating also. Because not very you have also. Because not very often

you have such a benchmark

historic date. This may be historic date. This may be an occasion worth marking but no

major celebrations are planned.

Perhaps India is looking

forward with a new confidence it's not only broken

the shackles of its colonial

past but emerging as a global

power in its own right. To

sport with Amanda Shalala.

There's been a thrilling finish

this the cricket. Great contest

throughout as well. Inspired

New Zealand outfit has scittled

Australia to win the second

test in Hobart by 7 runs. scored an unbeaten century to test

almost get the side home. The

8th ranked Black Caps ripped

through the rest of the batting

order to draw the series. The through

but the smiles were strained

despite Australia retaining despite Australia retaining the but

Chappell Hadlee Trophy. Going

into day four, 169 more were

needed to clinch a two-nil

series win. Australia had 10

wickets in hand. For the forth

consecutive innings the Chris Martin Martin Guptill combination lined up their man. It's out. Hughes test future is

on the edge. on the edge. Dave Warner's first testify half-century was

streaky. 50 to Dave Warner. His

timing improved. He's punched that nicely. Usman Khawaja

settled, the pair halved the

runs required when Ross Taylor did

did well to keep his eyes on

the ball. Well the ball. Well taken. Usman

Khawaja 23 would be the second highest knock of the innings.

Ricky Ponting emerged for

perhaps his final test fling in

Hobart. Started with a neat leg glance That WIP will

help. Fwlu but kept giving Black Caps hope. He sock spooned a catch off Doug Bracewell. Bracewell. The tourists were

in the hunt. Next ball they

were closing in or the kill.

Michael Hussey LB k. W with

Australia 82 from victory. I think it's going to be

gone. Warner dashed into the

90s. It goes through the

offside. Reached his maiden

test hundred. test hundred. Dangerous on

the leg side. He jumped for joy

but began running out of

partners as Brad Haddin and the tail

tail offered little resistance.

Nathan Lyon dug in at number 11, surviving adding 34 with the bell ledger

rent Warner. Australia moved within two shots of the

target. Bowls him. There it

is. There's the win for New

Zealand. The Black Caps first win here in 25 years has Australia in a tailspin heading

towards India on Boxing Day. We're playing really well in

patches, but then you're seeing

the other side as well where

we're letting ourselves down by very poor performances. The new we're very poor performances. The new selectors have a task to selectors have a task to settle the unease. John Hayes Bell ABC News. Shane Warne says should be fit to play for the Melbourne Stars in their

Twenty20 Big Bash game against

Sydney thunder this Saturday. The former test spinner burnt

his hand in a cooking

and posted a photograph of it

on Twitter. Warn says the

Inverarity injury isn't as bad

as looks and saw a plastic

surgeon to repair the damage. surgeon

I thought this is good. I'm going to a plastic surgeon

about high hand. Drained all

the blisters and then he cut a

millimetre of the skin all down where it where it was burnt where the blisters were so it wouldn't

fill up again. That's it. We're fill up again. That's it.

We're ready to go. Luke Donald

has capped off a sensational


player to top the money lists

in the US and Europe in the

same season. The world number

1 achieved the feet by

finishing third in the player World Championship won which

Spain's Alvaro Quiros. Donald

only needed to finish Ninth or

better in the season ending tournament and hoped that roarly McIllroy didn't spin.

McIllroy finished back in 11th

to hand the clown to the

Englishman. Listen to the

cheer. Luke Donald. World

number 1. American top money

earner. European top money

earner. Finishing in style. Donald had already secured top billing in secured top billing in the US

tour in October. It is something I've thought about

quite a lot. I don't think it

is quite sunken in yet. Yeah, is

I look back at this year as

sure. Hopefully I can continue

to improve. I feel like I have

a lot to achieve in this a lot to achieve in this game, but this is something ill never forget. Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp has officials in the wake of his

side's loss to Stoke in the English Premier League. In

this morning's other games, Sunderland gave you in manager Martin O'Neill a first-up win

while stoke stunned spumplts

Matthew Etherington starred

against his former club with

two first-half goals to end

Spurs's 11 game

streak. And a goal ruled out

for offside. Two blatant handballs on the line and two

side on side when the ball handballs played to him. That's how played to him. That's how we

come away with nothing in the

end. Denver has once again

staged an incredible comeback

victory in America's NFL. The

brodges with trailing the shig go bears and with three go bears and with three seconds

a left in regulation time nailed

a 59 yarld field goal to send

came up with ate goods to give

the Broncos a 13 points to 10

win. It is Denver's win. It is Denver's sixth

straight victory with three of them coming in overtime. Back to cricket, Pakistan has

innings and 184 runs in the thrashed Bangladesh by a

first test there. It's been

amazing tale, spanning time amazing tale, spanning time and

tied. A 14th century quadrant

is expected to raise more than

$300,000 when it goes under the

hammer in London later tonight. Part of the is a very direct royal

connection as well as its

discovery in a sack of old pipe

fittings on a Queensland farm.

Philip Williams reports on Philip Williams reports on its

to auction hall. In the journey from outback property

Bonhams' London auctions room

time-pieces centuries old await the tick and talk of

the hammer. This quadrant sporting the mark sporting the Richard the Second, is stealing the show. It is the second earliest known instrument ever

whole of the world. Only the early instrument known in the made, 1396.

rich could afford an rich could afford an instrument

like this, but it is

extraordinary history may have

remained hidden if not for its

Sydney based owner Christopher Becker. It is a digital watch

of its day really because it

has all of those various functions.

functions. It tells the time,

it tells the date, it has

almost like an alarm

function. For years it lay any bag of old pipe facilities in

the shed on the family farm in

Queensland. As a child

Christopher Becker used it as a

shovel and the family had no

went to the idea what it was. It actually

went to the dump a number of times and was saved by sheer

luck. My father literally picked it up picked it up and sort of

thought do I throw this away or thought do I throw this

do I keep it. He was like no do I it is a good piece of brass A

very good piece. After

researching its origins on the nintd its incredible history

was finally confirmed by the

British move seem. Its value is relative. It is not Richard II's quadrant to me. It is the fabulous cool thing that I

found anyway bag of pipe

8. Having survived 500 fittings when I was 7 or

found it is relatively short time in

a sack on a Queensland farm is

over. Its next destination

collector. likely a muse seem or wealthy

collector. While this has attracted attention worldwide

and will undoubtedly command a

very high price, it is not all

about money. This is a about money. This is a unique piece with a mysterious

Australian connection that may never be solved. Finally children and adults have taken

part in a annual Santa part in a annual Santa Claus

charity race through Paris.

The bulky costumes proved suitable for the chilly

winter while those dressed as

St Nick dominated the adult race, there were many other

creative costumes. Some came

as Christmas trees, others came

gift wrapped. The day raised $5,000 for charities working with children in Africa. To keep up to stories we're following you can

log on to our website. That's That's 'The

World' this Monday evening. much for your company. Closed I'm Nick Grimm. Thanks very

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Good evening. I'm Nick Grimm. Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court Sir Michael Somare as the

country's Prime Minister. Sir

Michael was removed from in August while he was out of Michael was removed from office

country receiving medical

treatment. His supporters

subsequently went to court to subsequently went

demand that his successor Peter

O'Neill be removed. The court

has ordered that Sir Michael be sworn back into immediately. And for the sworn back into office

immediately. And for the latest

on this story, PNG

correspondent Liam Fox spoke to

us a short time ago from Port Moresby. Well, as soon as we

left the courthouse, to Government House, the

Governor-General. If residence of the the

Governor-General. If Sir

Michael is to be restored as

Prime Minister he needs to go

there and be sworn in by the

there, there was dozens of Governor-General. When we