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For more on the release of

the Federal Government's carbon

emissions targets we're joined

now by Greens senator Christine

Milne in Canberra. Good

morning. You've said the

government's position is a

recipe for global catastrophe.

What's your evidence to back

that statement up? Well, all of

the leading scientists are very

clear about this. They are

saying that we need a very deep

cut by 2020. We need to go

carbon neutral as soon as

possible. The planet is in

grave double. Just over the

weekend, we had news that the

Arctic is likely to be ice-free

within six years. We're already

seeing accelerated melt on the

glaciers. We look at the

Murray-Darling, we're seeing

the impact here. Coral reef

scientists only last week at

the climate talks were saying

that the world's coral reefs

are already in trouble. So

we've only got until 2015 for

global emissions to peak and

then come down, otherwise we

are going to see never the

possibility of ever seeing

business as usual. What we are

going to see is radical change

to the climate. So how will

future generations look back on

this announcement by Kevin Rudd

today? Well, this is one of

those moments in history when

the people who are in power now

make all the difference. Future

generations are going to look

back and say "How could you

have done this when you knew?"

Because that's the thing.

There's not a single person

making these decisions today

who doesn't know what the

science is telling us, who

doesn't know what we have to do

to try and constrain global

warming to less than 2 degrees.

So a decision to go with a 5 to

15 range is a decision to say

that future generations will

not have iconic areas like the

Great Barrier Reef, but more

particularly, it is condemning

everyone, planet-wide, to very

deep droughts, fires, floods -

the whole range of extreme

weather events, and the

consequent loss of life and

loss of property. How many

jobs would be lost if the

government went down the road

you're proposing? Do you know?

Do you care about the number of

jobs that would be lost? It's interesting everyone talks

about the jobs that might be

lost in the coal industry or

the aluminium industry and

frankly I don't think the aluminium industry is going

anywhere, but nobody is talking

about the loss of jobs by not

going down this path we've just

been BP Solar close with 200

sophisticated jobs going

offshore. We know there are

hundreds of thousands of jobs

to be created in the green

energy revolution. Just look at

Germany where the solar

industry has exploded: in

California, masses of new jobs.

CSIRO has brought out a report

on green collar jobs. Huge deficit in Australia a big gap

in training n the need for

energy awed force and so on

there is a very bright future in addressing climate change at

the same time as the economic

crisis by investing in those

new technologies that will

create long-term sophisticated

manufacturing jobs in

Australia. So why do you say

it's so important that Kevin

Rudd takes the lead on this,

because we just heard from the

opposition spokesman Greg Hunt

that the problem will just move

to another country. Well,

that's interesting. It's always

the coalition who's making

excuses for 10 years of inaction and it's clear that

John Howard's policies live on. When Greg Hunt talks about

these companies going offshore, I'd like to know where he

thinks they're going to go,

because aluminium smelters,

zinc smelters need vast amounts

of cheap power and it has to be

reliably supplied. There are

not very many places on the

planet where that can occur and

also, the countries to which

he's referring will be under an

emissions trading scheme

themselves in the not too far

distant future. So I think what we're hearing from the

coalition is more excuses to

justify inaction. And they have

to look themselves in the face

and recognise that in 10 years'

time, people are going toe look

back and say "We have gone

beyond the threshold and you

were part of the problem." Senator Milne, thanks for